Apple Watch 2 Said to Include Thinner 'One Glass Solution' Display

[Denmac1]

So as you are totally happy with the Apple watch as it is, you are saying you won't be changing to a newer model as you are perfectly satisfied and have no need for any of the possible changed you mentioned?

Since there is not a newer watch available, at this point I am satisfied with what I have. As I stated, the update to the software will enhance what I have. I don't change just to have the 'latest & greatest'. Besides, no one really knows what AW2 will have.I still have my 5s, my 2014 Mac Mini and other 'relics' They work just fine. When I feel the time is right for change, then I will make my move.
As I stated. ...my personal two cents.

 

[44267547]

Temp sensor to sense body temperature?

You quoted the wrong User. I never posted this. Bjet767 did.

 

[manu chao]

GPS
A better HR sensor, the green light just isn't reliable enough on all people.
Temp sensor
Increased Battery life

Temp sensor to sense body temperature?
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You quoted the wrong User. I never posted this. Bjet767 did.

I didn't, MacRumors did. Something must have gone wrong on their side. I definitely hit the quote button on Bjet767's post, trimmed his or her text and added my question.

 

[dan110]

Ok, so it's going to be 3 mm thinner and a rat's hair lighter. Yawn.

 

[bjet767]

Temp sensor for body, yep more data if one really wants to get into health. However an air sensor would also be helpful, but being on the wrist it's not very practical.

I sure like the idea of independence from the iPhone for various features.

Sometimes, ok quite often, the responses to the threads here on Mac rumors crack me up.

Ps. I'm a he.

 

[Mac 128]

Ummm - Apple explicitly recommends to put the watch under flowing water to clean the digital crown.

What Apple says is this: If the Digital Crown gets stuck or won’t move, it might be because of dirt or debris. If you find substances like dust or lotion around the Digital Crown...Hold the Digital Crown under lightly running, warm, fresh water from a faucet for 10 to 15 seconds.

You do see how this relatively rare event is significantly different than exposing it daily to hot showers, and swimming laps in pools?

Apple also says this: Apple Watch is splash and water resistant but not waterproof. You can, for example, wear and use Apple Watch during exercise, in the rain, and while washing your hands. Submerging Apple Watch, however, is not recommended

And this ( https://help.apple.com/watch/#/apd707b42a5e ):
Exposure to liquid Apple Watch is water resistant but not waterproof. You may, for example, wear and use Apple Watch during exercise (exposure to sweat is OK), in the rain, and while washing your hands. If water splashes on to the watch, wipe it off with a nonabrasive, lint-free cloth. Try to minimize exposing Apple Watch to these substances and follow the instructions below in the “Cleaning and care” section if Apple Watch comes into contact with them:

• Soap, detergent, acids or acidic foods, and any liquids other than fresh water, such as salt water, soapy water, pool water, perfume, insect repellent, lotions, sunscreen, oil, adhesive remover, hair dye, or solvents.

Submerging Apple Watch is not recommended. Apple Watch has a water resistance rating of IPX7 under IEC standard 60529. The leather bands are not water resistant. Water resistance is not a permanent condition and Apple Watch cannot be rechecked or resealed for water resistance. The following may affect the water resistance of Apple Watch and should be avoided:

• Dropping Apple Watch or subjecting it to other impacts.
• Submerging Apple Watch in water for long periods of time.
• Swimming or bathing with Apple Watch.
• Exposing Apple Watch to pressurized water or high velocity water, for example, showering, water skiing, wake boarding, surfing, jet skiing, and so on.
• Wearing Apple Watch in the sauna or steam room.

... Avoid exposing Apple Watch to dramatic changes in temperature or humidity.

 

[MH01]

What Apple says is this: If the Digital Crown gets stuck or won’t move, it might be because of dirt or debris. If you find substances like dust or lotion around the Digital Crown...Hold the Digital Crown under lightly running, warm, fresh water from a faucet for 10 to 15 seconds.

You do see how this relatively rare event is significantly different than exposing it daily to hot showers, and swimming laps in pools?

Apple also says this: Apple Watch is splash and water resistant but not waterproof. You can, for example, wear and use Apple Watch during exercise, in the rain, and while washing your hands. Submerging Apple Watch, however, is not recommended

And this ( https://help.apple.com/watch/#/apd707b42a5e ):
Exposure to liquid Apple Watch is water resistant but not waterproof. You may, for example, wear and use Apple Watch during exercise (exposure to sweat is OK), in the rain, and while washing your hands. If water splashes on to the watch, wipe it off with a nonabrasive, lint-free cloth. Try to minimize exposing Apple Watch to these substances and follow the instructions below in the “Cleaning and care” section if Apple Watch comes into contact with them:

• Soap, detergent, acids or acidic foods, and any liquids other than fresh water, such as salt water, soapy water, pool water, perfume, insect repellent, lotions, sunscreen, oil, adhesive remover, hair dye, or solvents.

Submerging Apple Watch is not recommended. Apple Watch has a water resistance rating of IPX7 under IEC standard 60529. The leather bands are not water resistant. Water resistance is not a permanent condition and Apple Watch cannot be rechecked or resealed for water resistance. The following may affect the water resistance of Apple Watch and should be avoided:

• Dropping Apple Watch or subjecting it to other impacts.
• Submerging Apple Watch in water for long periods of time.
• Swimming or bathing with Apple Watch.
• Exposing Apple Watch to pressurized water or high velocity water, for example, showering, water skiing, wake boarding, surfing, jet skiing, and so on.
• Wearing Apple Watch in the sauna or steam room.

... Avoid exposing Apple Watch to dramatic changes in temperature or humidity.

There lies the problem, there is no "waterproof" state for a watch, it's got a water resistance rating of ipx7. My diving watch if not waterproof , it's good for X amount of water pressure which Equates to depth in meters.

So it has an ipx7 rating and the seals cannot be checked or replaced.

 

[44267547]

What about owning a consumer electronic device gives you a sense of "pride"? Graduating, getting promoted, getting married, having kids, etc, sure I can see "pride" in all of those --- but owning a watch????

See, I suggest you revisit my last post, because I clearly stated I was proud to own my Apple Watch. What is a definition of a consumer electronic to you then? Because the last time I checked, I, a consumer, such as myself, purchased the Apple Watch, which is an electronic product. I don't believe this is to difficult to understand, is it?

Secondly, I really appreciating you listing all the milestones in life, such as marriage, career promotions, ect...which I have successfully achieved all of those listed above. I also take pride in expendable income, which Is why I'm a proud owner of the Apple Watch. Thanks for your concern. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Best I can do? Do about what? I'm just stating a fact. My understanding is that it's an Ive design, designed in his Cupertino lab. Last time I checked that was located in Silicon Valley. So it's not my own "feeling," it's an established geographical fact.

I own and use an AW daily, but, sorry it does not compare in anyway with the beauty or style of a classic Swiss watch, of which I also own and wear. AW is a slab of metal, honestly a disappointment IMHO as an Ive design, but likely because he didn't have Jobs to help him sweat out the fine details. Only a nerd thinks AW is a thing of beauty. It's a utilitarian device. Period. Design is not where AW excels as a product.

And no one in this forum cares about your Swiss Watch. Maybe one who see's your Swiss Watch would not share your view points of the definition of 'Beauty.' That's not even the point of this article in comparison That of a 'Seventh' grader comment, which says little about your opinion, being you own an Apple Watch, regardless of other Watches.

And it's a first Gen Watch, a lot of Apple's products evolve over time and become more refined. Look at the first iMac and iPad, were those perfect first designs? Absolutely not. But they evolved, did they not? And you speaking for Jobs stating he would sweat out the fine details is irrelevant, you have no idea what Jobs vision was at this time, which allegedly was in design phase in 2011. You speak for Ive as you were his supervisor. We're all glad you don't work for Apple then, because you must be able envision the future of smart watches.

And there are millions of nerds who wear the Apple Watch daily and do not value your 'Bias'.

Wait until Gen 2 arrives, let's see how many nerds purchase the Watch. I can think of one right now.

 

[manu chao]

Temp sensor for body, yep more data if one really wants to get into health. However an air sensor would also be helpful, but being on the wrist it's not very practical.

I am not sure that a temp sensor can deliver much useful data. It's always going to measure a temperature between your body temperature and the ambient temperature. Wear the watch under a thin sleeve and it's going to be a bit closer to your body temperature than without on. Wear a thicker sleeve (as in coat sleeve) and it is going to be a bit more closer to your body temperature. To say anything useful about your body temperature the watch would need to know (a) the ambient temperature (knowing the weather is not enough as you might be inside) and (b) how thick your sleeve is (or whether there is a sleeve over the watch at all).

And even if it knew all this (eg, no sleeve, ambient temperature known, no wind), the skin temperature under your watch will vary from person to person and from activity to activity even while your core body temperature stays constant.

 

[Keirasplace]

I am not sure that a temp sensor can deliver much useful data. It's always going to measure a temperature between your body temperature and the ambient temperature. Wear the watch under a thin sleeve and it's going to be a bit closer to your body temperature than without on. Wear a thicker sleeve (as in coat sleeve) and it is going to be a bit more closer to your body temperature. To say anything useful about your body temperature the watch would need to know (a) the ambient temperature (knowing the weather is not enough as you might be inside) and (b) how thick your sleeve is (or whether there is a sleeve over the watch at all).

And even if it knew all this (eg, no sleeve, ambient temperature known, no wind), the skin temperature under your watch will vary from person to person and from activity to activity even while your core body temperature stays constant.

You could have it calibrated though, so it could give at least relative variations which would be interesting.

 

[Jakexb]

I'm so ready for gen 2. Hope it's more waterproof and has a GPS. Then I don't need a phone when I'm cycling!

Have people been having water problems with gen 1? I wear mine in the shower after a workout to clean it and I've been fine.

 

[PaladinGuy]

Invocta and Omega are intentionally large,they have so many mechanical parts inside and they look good.
Apple watch is just an electric device that shouldn't look that bulky.and it doesn't look good at all.

As a watch guy, I find it a bit interesting to see Invicta and Omega get thrown together in a comparison to something. Omega fans everywhere are gasping!

 

[PaladinGuy]

Whilst it still needs the phone to work...operability enhancement is good, but please more Apple.

I would really like a team up with Omega or Rolex, will pull the trigger on 2nd gen Tag Heuer Connect unless Apple change or add an alternative style.

I highly doubt you'll see anything like this happen. Watch companies like Omega and Rolex have set themselves at odds with things like the Apple Watch. Look how Omega has even totally ceased making all quartz models. Even with shrinking exports out of Switzerland and a shrinking market, they continue to move more and more upscale.

 

[PaladinGuy]

Because (this time) I want manelry and way more functionality than simply a timepiece. Also, whilst it may "last longer" it's the quality of time we're here for, not the length. Plenty of old fob/pocket watches around that have lasted in excess of 100years, not exactly the height of fashion these days (unless steampunk is your thing).

Tag Heuer has been around as long as the other best Swiss and it teamed up with Google.

You have to keep in mind that TAG Heuer is very different than the likes of Omega, Rolex, Patek Phillipe, IWC, etc. TAG plays the full field from low to high end. Not saying that I think this, but many watch enthusiasts see TAG as more fashion company than legitimate watch company...

 

[manu chao]

You could have it calibrated though, so it could give at least relative variations which would be interesting.

What you could do is show changes in temperature which are meaningful only if the ambient temperature and insolation (sleeve, wind) stay unchanged. For example, while doing a workout indoors, you arm temperature might go up as you increase blood circulation to your arm and hand muscles. If you have an actual fever (and you can keep the ambient conditions, see above, constant), it could track the change in core body temperature. If you calibrate it, you could get absolute values but that calibration would be sensitive to all sort of things (like changes in blood circulation which might loosely correlate with heart rate, but also things like sweating.

It might be possible to estimate things like how rested your body is by combining in a big data kind of way existing sensors with a temperature reading but that would only work for known ambient temperature and arm insolation. And that is before the whole issue of backing out any temperature changes caused by watch's processor and battery (we all know how warm a phone can get). The watch is consuming less energy but certainly enough to affect temperature readings by a few degrees.

 

[robotica]

I'd be happier with a more reasonable price. But hey that's might just be me and my lack of loads of disposable income!

 

[Aussieiphone]

You have to keep in mind that TAG Heuer is very different than the likes of Omega, Rolex, Patek Phillipe, IWC, etc. TAG plays the full field from low to high end. Not saying that I think this, but many watch enthusiasts see TAG as more fashion company than legitimate watch company...

I disagree - Patek, IWC And the likes of Vacheron for that matter are in a higher league.

Rolex more than Omega, not a lot more but they are, but they both aren't close to my aforementioned. They are both though perceived by many as a higher quality brand than Tag Heuer, however obviously individual watches in these three compete against each for being a better watch, i.e. The base Omega is not better than the high end Tag.

Omega is a reasonable choice for Apple, as Tag is now set as equivalent to Google, then Apple being perceived by many as a slightly higher brand is equivalent Omega. No Vacheron or Patek or Hublot or IWC necessarily...

 

[PaladinGuy]

I disagree - Patek, IWC And the likes of Vacheron for that matter are in a higher league.

Rolex more than Omega, not a lot more but they are, but they both aren't close to my aforementioned. They are both though perceived by many as a higher quality brand than Tag Heuer, however obviously individual watches in these three compete against each for being a better watch, i.e. The base Omega is not better than the high end Tag.

Omega is a reasonable choice for Apple, as Tag is now set as equivalent to Google, then Apple being perceived by many as a slightly higher brand is equivalent Omega. No Vacheron or Patek or Hublot or IWC necessarily...

Granted, Omega does still make some pieces that are closer to TAG, price-wise. I just don't see any chance a company with the marketing and business strategy of Rolex ever playing into something like smart watches. Obviously, Patek, IWC, Vacheron, AP, are higher end. I wasn't trying to put them in any order. Just saying that I don't see these companies doing anything with apple. Maybe Swatch group would collaborate with one of their lower end brands, such as Tissot or Longines (I'd think mostly Tissot).

 

[Aussieiphone]

Granted, Omega does still make some pieces that are closer to TAG, price-wise. I just don't see any chance a company with the marketing and business strategy of Rolex ever playing into something like smart watches. Obviously, Patek, IWC, Vacheron, AP, are higher end. I wasn't trying to put them in any order. Just saying that I don't see these companies doing anything with apple. Maybe Swatch group would collaborate with one of their lower end brands, such as Tissot or Longines (I'd think mostly Tissot).

Tissot are perceived less than Tag. Given my Google/Tag reference, I'm sticking by my assessment that Apple/Omega is the perfect choice (even has a nice ring to it, the beginning to the end and with everything in between could be the sales pitch). How much is the brand worth anyway - Apple may be able to just simply buy them.

Unfortunately, Apple like their '80s calculator watch style, so unless the next release improves drastically style-wise...

 

[bjet767]

My issue is the AW is sold as a solution to a problem which really doesn't exist. Other than telling time what can a device attached to a person's wrist do and what advantage does it provide the wearer? The dilemma is when first Gen devices come out they are seeking an unknown purpose to solve and none of the smart watch people really knew what the bulk of wearers wanted or actually would use the devices for.

Apple initially marketed their watch as a fashion object and device instead of a practical part of the wearer's life. Now after almost two years Apple is actually finding function for their product (see the new features of OS 3).

Think how the smart phone has evolved, who remembers the flip phone? When I purchased my Motorola Razor my life was essentially complete and I had a "communicator" resting right there in my hand. But what did it do? It made phone calls and kept time.

So back to my main point, besides telling time and being a fashion statement what will the AW become? I think a wearable, sensor equipped, independent and "unleashed" device is where it needs and eventually will go. Will the second Gen AW fulfill this? Probably not, but it will be a good and better device.

 

[Gohoop]

The lack of built-in GPS is still a non-starter for me. GPS chips are so small now, it amazes me the Apple Watch lacks one.

The GPS fucntionality is important to me, as I’m a runner. I would love to have a device I could use during my runs to record my tracks and give me accurate speed and mileage information, without having to lug around my phone.

This is why I'm so interested in Pebble Core (not a watch). Pebble has always done smart watches best in my opinion. I finally decided to forego the Apple Watch for a pebble this year. It is Less expensive, waterPROOF to 30M, 10 days of battery life, slim beautiful designs, and just the right amount of utility (text reply and timeline is the best). So yeah, I'm basically a pebble fanatic now... Sadly because I really wanted to love Apple Watch. Apple got lost trying to deliver the moon inside their watch and they deliver a lackluster UX.

So now... pebble decides to make the pebble core for runners boasting a GPS chip, data, and Alexa. (The first wearable with Alexa that I'm aware of.) I have a core on pre-order.

 

[bjet767]

Ok I went and looked up the Pebble and the core isn't a watch at all, yes you wrote that. What the core is is another device which pairs with the watch and has gps in it. Basically I would gain nothing because at worst there would still be my iPhone in my pocket, the core and the Pebble watch. So instead of two devices I now would have three, where's the improvement?

The Pebble watch, with the exception of water proof and battery life, does less than the AW. At best, a weak best, it is equal to it but not having much in the way of style. Same green HR sensor.

Oh well at least the target is the AW.

 

[Giftzwerg]

Tissot are perceived less than Tag. Given my Google/Tag reference, I'm sticking by my assessment that Apple/Omega is the perfect choice (even has a nice ring to it, the beginning to the end and with everything in between could be the sales pitch). How much is the brand worth anyway - Apple may be able to just simply buy them.

Unfortunately, Apple like their '80s calculator watch style, so unless the next release improves drastically style-wise...

Apple buying up Omega is never going to happen as Omega is part of the Swatch Group. The Swatch Group have developed their own interpretation of a smart watch and are releasing it under their Tissot brand: https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/19/tissot-smart-touch-watch/

Again, why would you want Apple to team up with one of the established watch companies anyway? As the Hermès edition has shown you're only getting a branded watch face and strap but not more functionality or a different casing. Apart from the name there is no added value at all.

 

[Aussieiphone]

Apple buying up Omega is never going to happen as Omega is part of the Swatch Group. The Swatch Group have developed their own interpretation of a smart watch and are releasing it under their Tissot brand: https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/19/tissot-smart-touch-watch/

Again, why would you want Apple to team up with one of the established watch companies anyway? As the Hermès edition has shown you're only getting a branded watch face and strap but not more functionality or a different casing. Apart from the name there is no added value at all.

"Again"...I said manelry. Style wise hoping for a complete remodel, not simply a watch band, e.g. Round face with different face options, like the Google/Tag Connect, that currently has unfortunately too low a screen res, compared particularly with other android based watches too, but has a similar case/bezel/band/crown/etc to the Tag current range.

I really want the Apple OS, (I note that even the app icons are round so a round watch face/case would complement it) but will only wear a watch where it does more than tell time and it must look good while doing so...otherwise iphone is with me and does all the Apple Watch can - don't get me wrong, I can see benefits of the Watch, but for me that has to include style (form and function).

By the way groups can be broken up and as Omega SA is a subsidiary company of the The Swatch Group Ltd parent company, when the offer is too good to refuse...Apple has the cash.

 

[Giftzwerg]

"Again"...I said manelry. Style wise hoping for a complete remodel, not simply a watch band, e.g. Round face with different face options, like the Google/Tag Connect, that currently has unfortunately too low a screen res, compared particularly with other android based watches too, but has a similar case/bezel/band/crown/etc to the Tag current range.

I really want the Apple OS, (I note that even the app icons are round so a round watch face/case would complement it) but will only wear a watch where it does more than tell time and it must look good while doing so...otherwise iphone is with me and does all the Apple Watch can - don't get me wrong, I can see benefits of the Watch, but for me that has to include style (form and function).

By the way groups can be broken up and as Omega SA is a subsidiary company of the The Swatch Group Ltd parent company, when the offer is too good to refuse...Apple has the cash.

Even if it was possible, why on earth would Apple buy Omega? To make their watch more "manelry"?
The design of the Apple Watch is something that Apple will keep to themselves I believe. They hired Marc Newson of Ikepod for a reason ... Most of the Newson designed Ikepods are very large and quite ugly so I guess you could call them "manelry" if you want. No need for Omega or Rolex.

Edit: here's an interesting interview with Newson http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...-new-guy-behind-the-apple-watch-10229835.html