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The lack of built-in GPS is still a non-starter for me. GPS chips are so small now, it amazes me the Apple Watch lacks one.

The GPS fucntionality is important to me, as I’m a runner. I would love to have a device I could use during my runs to record my tracks and give me accurate speed and mileage information, without having to lug around my phone.


Battery would die in a number of hours. The watch already only lasts me 1-2 days. Some fitness trackers which typically get 7 days without GPS turned on go down to 1-2 days with it on.
 
Nonsense. The Garmin Forerunner 220 has GPS and only 10 hours battery life -- half of the AW. If Apple wanted GPS in the AW surely it could figure that out will it's elite engineering staff, especially compared to that of Garmin's.

And the AW's battery life right now is adequate. It's why Apple made the tweaks in OS3 for the OS to actually be less battery efficient. Every night I put my watch on the charger and it's always 60%+ full after a day's use.

Health sensors are niche add-ons. Everyone can benefit from GPS. Makes zero sense not to include GPS when every other mid-market and higher activity band and sports watch has it as a standard feature. All these other sensors talked about really do not work well at the low end of the market. They are the definition of gimmick as they are not medical grade and can't be at AW's price point.


No. Apple Watch coupled with Siri turned on, the heart rate sensor turned on and GPS on at the same time in the first generation of Apple Watch, would not last two hours on the current battery as it is now. To have GPS in the new version of the Apple Watch, you need a more efficient battery that's at least 24 to 30 hours worth, more efficient processor with the S2 chip.

It's clear and evident that Apple is focusing on the health-related portion of the Apple Watch with additional health sensors, possibly built into watchbands or through the actual Apple Watch itself. As they have been applying for various patents, hiring new health experts for the future of the Apple Watch.

The first generation of the Apple Watch, I truly don't believe Apple was focusing on the GPS application, I think they wanted to feel the market out and find out exactly how the user chooses to use the Apple Watch, rather be health related or for the notifications.

Apple is receiving feedback on how they want to proceed with the Apple Watch, I believe we will see GPS, not likely in version two, as the internal/external enhancements most likely will be nothing major.

I don't feel Apple shares your values with the health-related sensors being a "gimmick. " We all know Apple is very health oriented and in accordance to health kit. These health sensors that are now being implemented into smart watches are not necessarily strictly for medical grade, it's more or less as a measurement of where your body is that for that particular health-related concern.

I'm confident in Apple's engineer team and healthcare team working on the Apple Watch is far more in seeking improvements farther than what me and you can comprehend. In any case, I feel their price point is worth it, at least for the stainless steel model.
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Your rebuttal has zero intellectual weight b/c it uses an discontinued "old school" Garmin model as a reference. Try referencing the current line if you are going to make a 1:1 comparison.

I own and use both an AW and Garmin 630 -- and before that the 620. The 630 has notifications, apps, also GPS, which is why I use it for running. The 630 and 620 screens are actually larger than AW, not smaller so no harder to read off off than AW. The only reason it's not easier than AW is because AW has a higher resolution screen.

Dictate -- honestly I feel like a fool when I've tried talking to my AW plus it always missing some word. To me this is a spec sheet feature -- one of those items that seems cool on paper, but never works out in real life.

Payment -- AW wins there for sure. Could be the best feature of AW hands down. But how hard would it be for Garmin to put an NFC chip in if there was demand? It wouldn't be.

Make calls? Who makes calls on their phone? I've answered a few on my AW then xfered to my phone but take it or leave it feature. The 630 does tell you you have a call and from who, if caller ID is working, same as AW. That is a much more valuable feature. I just want to know if I need to take a call. I'm not going to carry a conversation on my watch. It's uncomfortable, you can't hear it hardly, and it just feels dumb.

Change bracelets - I wear my AW, Garmin watch for utility not fashion. If an occasion calls for fashion I wear a classy fine jewelry dress watch designed is Switzerland, not a clump of plastic or aluminum designed by geeks in Silicon Valley. The whole band changing thing seems like something designed for 7th grade girls in middle school -- and most look like it too.

Finally, I agree AW's inductive charger is world's better than Garmin's clip. The clip is clunky and poorly designed, especially because the watch can't sit flush on the table when charging. But ultimately, it's just irksome, not a game breaker. The game breaker would be no GPS, which AW doesn't have, and if it's not in AW2 I'll stick w/ my AW1. OTOH I don't care what kind of charger it comes with.


Honestly, you truly feel the Apple Watch Is a design by nerds in Silicon Valley? That's the best you can do? The changing of the bands for the Apple Watch is purely simple and elegant if you want it to be. Changing the bands allows the user customize in anyway they want to express their design and attire for the day.

For Someone as yourself who owns an Apple Watch, you sure make a lot of hateful comments towards Apple and its overall demeanor in developing and designing the Apple Watch. Many would disagree with you on how the overall implementation of changing the watchbands would be that of a seventh-grader. When I change my stainless steel link band for $450.00, I certainly don't get the vibe that I am a seventh grader. Certainly not speaking for someone who works for a fortune 500 company who regularly wears the Apple Watch. Right? Apple executed the watchband perfectly with the changing of the ease and overall selection. Their costly, however there are third-party bands which are much more affordable those who so choose.
 
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Bulky? Have you ever seen an Invicta or Omega? The Apple Watch is not even half their size and a large Watch seems to be a preference for a male's watch. 42 MM is average, not large.
Invocta and Omega are intentionally large,they have so many mechanical parts inside and they look good.
Apple watch is just an electric device that shouldn't look that bulky.and it doesn't look good at all.
 
If I could use it to talk every so often with my ipad I would buy it. I always wear a watch but don't have a smartphone, just a $3 a month flip...
 
Invocta and Omega are intentionally large,they have so many mechanical parts inside and they look good.
Apple watch is just an electric device that shouldn't look that bulky.and it doesn't look good at all.

Agreed regarding Invicta and Omega. But when I spend $1000 on an Apple Watch, let's be honest, we live in a world where we want things noticed. 42 mm Apple Watch is not large by any means. I don't think it's that thick and personally I like the thickness of it, especially pairing it with my stainless steel link bracelet, it looks outstanding. Your mileage may vary. There a lot other users on here that really prefer the thickness.

I personally like the heft and weight of the Apple Watch, according to analyst Brian White back in June 2016, the Apple Watch 2 was allegedly to be reported 30/40% thinner. If that's the case, we will see what it looks like at that time. But in any case, I'm certainly fine with my GEN One Watch and the way it looks now. I own the stainless steel model and it has a nice weight and feel to it.
 
I am in the minority that likes the size of the watch at the moment. If it gets thinner, then expect a downgraded battery. There's tradeoffs and that would be one thing I'd dislike. The current battery for 42mm, when I turn it off whilst sleeping, will last 2 full days. 12am-6am I turn it off, or charge it every second night I'm sleeping. My partner's 38mm requires charging every day so she says.

If Apple can figure out a way to use the cellular sim software outside of the iPhone, then that would suffice. I don't see the point in putting ANOTHER sim in a product. Yet, it'll be interesting to see how they work around that though. Software that picks up cellular sim already bought from your phone on the watch without needing the internals. That's the future. But I'd imagine Apple would need to set that standard themselves. Sim-less phones will come eventually, but that's a software issue, and telephone service providers aren't great at innovation like that.
 
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I am in the minority that likes the size of the watch at the moment. If it gets thinner, then expect a downgraded battery. There's tradeoffs and that would be one thing I'd dislike. The current battery for 42mm, when I turn it off whilst sleeping, will last 2 full days. 12am-6am I turn it off, or charge it every second night I'm sleeping. My partner's 38mm requires charging every day so she says.

If Apple can figure out a way to use the cellular sim software outside of the iPhone, then that would suffice. I don't see the point in putting ANOTHER sim in a product. Yet, it'll be interesting to see how they work around that though. Software that picks up cellular sim already bought from your phone on the watch without needing the internals. That's the future. But I'd imagine Apple would need to set that standard themselves. Sim-less phones will come eventually, but that's a software issue, and telephone service providers aren't great at innovation like that.

I too appreciate the heft and overall thickness of the Watch, especially if your the owner of the stainless Steel version. When I owned the Sport model, it was almost to light for me and felt somewhat cheap to me. The Stainless model has the perfect amount of weight and feels more premium to me.

If version 2 does debut with a cellular option, I would pass on it instantly. Honesty, having my iPhone with me is not a huge deal. It's nice the Watch will work off of known wifi as well, which on some respects, you do not need the iPhone tethered to you. I think a lot of Watch owners want to see GPS rather than cellular, which I don't believe we will see by Version 2.
 
I too appreciate the heft and overall thickness of the Watch, especially if your the owner of the stainless Steel version. When I owned the Sport model, it was almost to light for me and felt somewhat cheap to me. The Stainless model has the perfect amount of weight and feels more premium to me.

If version 2 does debut with a cellular option, I would pass on it instantly. Honesty, having my iPhone with me is not a huge deal. It's nice the Watch will work off of known wifi as well, which on some respects, you do not need the iPhone tethered to you. I think a lot of Watch owners want to see GPS rather than cellular, which I don't believe we will see by Version 2.
I didn't know that about the Stainless Steel version! Now I definitely want one of them. I've only got a black sport. I want a gold sport, but now curious regarding the Stainless Steel one. One day I guess.

I don't really care too much regarding the GPS, but I can definitely see the need for it. It'd make sense in doing it, but I'm not holding my breath, and it's definitely not a deal-breaker. Happy with my black Sport.
 
Battery would die in a number of hours. The watch already only lasts me 1-2 days. Some fitness trackers which typically get 7 days without GPS turned on go down to 1-2 days with it on.


Great points you make here. I don't understand why other Apple Watch owners cannot figure out The first Gen Watch could not handle GPS with the constraints it already has. Plus, when you add in Watch OS3 soon, the Watch will be more power hungry. GPS is likely in the future, but not in the Gen. 2 Watch.
 
Battery would die in a number of hours. The watch already only lasts me 1-2 days. Some fitness trackers which typically get 7 days without GPS turned on go down to 1-2 days with it on.

If it were on continuously with all the other bells and whistles running simultaneously, yes. But that's not how GPS would be used, and it would only be used when your iPhone was not around, not to mention the customer would have the choice not to use it if it drained the battery too fast.

And you do realize that Apple already offeres power sucking capabilities in the watch right? Making and taking phone calls via the watch will burn through battery life in less than 3 hours. Yet Apple still chose to offer such a power hungry feature. The reality is, people aren't going to use their watch continuously to make phone calls, which is why this hasn't become a chief complaint. Neither would having GPS.

The reason GPS likely didn't make it into the phone is the same reason some pre-announced watch faces a year earlier, didn't make it into the watch until 6 months after it was released -- they couldn't get what they had ready by the release date, so some things had to be tabled for gen 2. Steve Jobs thought he was going to get a slot loading CD drive right up to the introduction keynote for the iMac, when he was told they couldn't work it in by the deadline, so instead we got a tray loading for the first generation. And that's how these things tend to work.
 
Whilst it still needs the phone to work...operability enhancement is good, but please more Apple.

I would really like a team up with Omega or Rolex, will pull the trigger on 2nd gen Tag Heuer Connect unless Apple change or add an alternative style.
 
Invocta and Omega are intentionally large,they have so many mechanical parts inside and they look good.

Modern mechanical watches are large because they are trendy, not out of necessity. In most cases the movement inside these big lumps of steel could easily fit in a watch with a diameter as small as 35mm.

I would really like a team up with Omega or Rolex ...

I doubt that traditional companies like Omega or Rolex will ever cooperate with Apple but as the Hermès edition has shown, Apple teaming up with a real watch maker (albeit not as traditional as the Swiss) adds nothing to the functionality of the watch. You only end up paying a lot extra for the branding of a simple watch face.

Why not buy a real mechanical, good quality watch? With proper care and service, a mechanical watch will last you a lifetime. Compared to a mechanical with a Swiss movement inside, an Apple watch is nothing more than a disposable toy.
 
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Why not buy a real mechanical, good quality watch? With proper care and service, a mechanical watch will last you a lifetime. Compared to a mechanical with a Swiss movement inside, an Apple watch is nothing more than a disposable toy.

Because (this time) I want manelry and way more functionality than simply a timepiece. Also, whilst it may "last longer" it's the quality of time we're here for, not the length. Plenty of old fob/pocket watches around that have lasted in excess of 100years, not exactly the height of fashion these days (unless steampunk is your thing).

Tag Heuer has been around as long as the other best Swiss and it teamed up with Google.
 
Speed you might get . The battery life is fine on the current model, thou it will be thinner so battery life benefits will not be huge, new watch OS looks to fix the speed issues anyway
watchOS 3 increases the speed somewhat but the app launches are as nowhere near as quick as what we saw on stage at WWDC.
 
Damn. That is disappointing .
Yeah. Let's just say there aren't "instant" as Apple said they would be. We still are in the beta phase but I can't see much more room for speed improvements. Only new hardware can fix speed.
 
My Apple Watch, and my wife's, are both from the very first batch of shipments and neither have even the smallest, faintest scratch on the screen thanks to sapphire, and we've worn them every day for the past 15 months doing everything from swimming, going to the beach, yard work, etc. My iPhone 6S Plus and her 6S both have faint hairline scratches all over if you look at it in the right light. and all I do with mine is put it in my pocket by itself and set it on the nightstand at night. I've been as careful as possible with it, in a case that even facedown doesn't allow it to touch the table. I have a friend that bought an Apple Watch Sport and her screen was scratched by her dog jumping up on her in the first week.

I'd definitely buy sapphire over gorilla glass unless they've made some major improvements in keeping it from scratching in the past year.
 
Honestly, you truly feel the Apple Watch Is a design by nerds in Silicon Valley? That's the best you can do?

Best I can do? Do about what? I'm just stating a fact. My understanding is that it's an Ive design, designed in his Cupertino lab. Last time I checked that was located in Silicon Valley. So it's not my own "feeling," it's an established geographical fact.

I own and use an AW daily, but, sorry it does not compare in anyway with the beauty or style of a classic Swiss watch, of which I also own and wear. AW is a slab of metal, honestly a disappointment IMHO as an Ive design, but likely because he didn't have Jobs to help him sweat out the fine details. Only a nerd thinks AW is a thing of beauty. It's a utilitarian device. Period. Design is not where AW excels as a product.
 
Two things here regarding "killer features":
Form factor. There were other ways to play music before iPod, and obviously a MacBook could do everything the iPad could do. Glancing at your wrist for a moment to check an incoming call, etc.

Health and fitness. It's better to have a device on your wrist, than rely on a heart-rate monitor on your phone. Just see how many people have FitBits etc who also have iPhones.

The problem with health related features is that there isn't a lot of improvement between using a smart watch and using a Fitbit, and the Fitbits, or at least some models of them, are more environmentally sturdy because they can handle being in water. Plus a FitBit is cheaper. And even with that device to get full benefits of it you need to pair it to a phone or computer.

As far as music if you already have a smartphone you already have a music device, and one you are going to take with you in many cases. A phone that can probably store a lot of songs so you don't need to stream music. I live in a flyover state. Get a couple of dozen miles away from a city and unless you are near Interstate I-80 you probably won't have either 3 or 4G service. Your phone might work for calling, which is the reason I think all of the major carriers feel it's ok to fill in the state as having coverage, but you can't count on it. And Bluetooth headphones work just as well with phones as with smart watches.

I dont own a smart watch. I know a few people who do, and some of my comments are based upon their complaints. Some of the watches aren't Apple, but Samsung. The complaints seem to be the same between them. If Apple comes up with a good reason to buy a watch I'll buy one. If it isn't "A" reason but a bunch of functions that are better/easier/more convenient and there's no large downside then I'll at least look. I just don't think anyone's current generation of watch offers that combination of price, features and reliability.
 
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If the next gen Apple Watch is thinner, how will the crown size change? It is small enough as it is.

It will likely become smaller as well. Not a problem. Unlike a conventional mechanical watch where the crown needs to be turned by grasping it between thumb and forefinger, Apple's crown is meant to be "rolled" by simply sliding your forefinger over the knurled edge of the crown. Very easy as there is not a lot of friction.

For viewing multiple notifications and texts, or viewing fitness results, rolling the crown is much much easier than scrolling by swiping the glass. The crown is not going away - it's one of the Watch's best UI features.
 
It would seem one of the issues which Apple needs to address in the future is having the Watch be able to stand alone record the wearer's info and not have to be connected to the iPhone. Then when it does pair have the watch auto download all its recorded data to the phone.

To accomplish this what's needed?
GPS
A better HR sensor, the green light just isn't reliable enough on all people.
Temp sensor
Increased Battery life

I don't have a long list of additions and the device is a good one as is, I just haven't found it to be an essential and "I can't live without" device yet.

Hey maybe Apple could have an app that will download music and play it through BT wireless ear buds without the iPhone being connected? Then we could record our data, listen to music while exercising and be free of the iPhone.

Maybe that's not a good idea, because it might cause heart failure in the many who have their phones surgically attached to their hand, but at least the HR and health app would record what happened.
 
What about owning a consumer electronic device gives you a sense of "pride"? Graduating, getting promoted, getting married, having kids, etc, sure I can see "pride" in all of those --- but owning a watch????

I own three Apple Watches as well, 20 different Watch bands to accompany it and I still wear all three as I have day one proudly. Version 2 Day one.
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