This gets said a lot, and I think the same argument can be made about Apple copying Samsung, but the reality is, Apple makes the _better_ product, and that’s all that matters in the end. The Apple Watch is clearly the future for Apple, and if there was one product that will lead the way, not just for being a wearable, but leading in Health tracking, the Apple Watch is an astounding success for that reason alone.
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Apple Watch Continues to Dominate With Estimated 1 in 3 Share of Smartwatch Sales Last Quarter
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This gets said a lot, and I think the same argument can be made about Apple copying Samsung, but the reality is, Apple makes the _better_ product, and that’s all that matters in the end. The Apple Watch is clearly the future for Apple, and if there was one product that will lead the way, not just for being a wearable, but leading in Health tracking, the Apple Watch is an astounding success for that reason alone.
Please. Market share ONLY matters when comparing products in a similar class. Nobody would look at this report and use it to make any sort of business decision. Ever.
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Yeah, no. Only for Android fans who can't stand the fact the iPhone dominates so much they have to compare it to a $50 phone to makes themselves feel better about using an inferior platform.
Facebook runs the same on a $50 phone as a $1,000 phone? Outright lie. I've run Facebook on an $80 Alcatel Android phone and it's terrible. Slow to load content, stutters when scrolling, lags and delays when tapping on links or buttons. The experience is nothing short of exasperating. Curious, have you ever actually used a dirt-cheap Android phone and tried various Apps? If so, which model(s)?
Well then, you can call me MDC and I say Apple shipped 45 million phones. Same thing you are saying. I am not talking about market share. I am talking about the headlines on the tech sites that Apple lost 30% of iPhones from last year and it is due to Huawei. So in effect, IDC is creating a false narrative, like they have done in the past with Apple.
I really like my series 4. Every time I see a Samsung smart watch it looks huge and toyish. Like something my 5 year old would have.
How many organizations buy data from you? How long have you been in this bussiness? IDC is the best (or one of the best) source of this sort of data there is and according to them iPhone market share last quarter was 11%. There is nothing you can do about it.
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And? 5G Android phones have much higher bandwidth than iPhone. Should we ignore iPhones then when calculating market share?
I have seen an increase wear of smartwatches too. I usually see fitbit and other Chinese knockoffs, I have yet to see an LG nor Samsung.
On the other hand, I have seen 6 out of 10 of these people with Apple Watches. Now this may not be a shock for some, I live in a 3rd world/developing country. I'm just astounded as to how people still buy the Apple Watches here.
Logical fallacy. We don't need to be in the data business to point out obvious flaws on someone's reports. All it takes is common sense and basic grade school math.
One of the best, huh? They said Windows Phone would overtake iOS. This isn't a case of being off by a few percentage points in your figures. This is being completely out of touch with the market. I wonder how many people (if any) made investment decisions based off that little nugget?
What does 5G have to do with whether a device is considered a flagship? Oh right, nothing. 5G will be YET ANOTHER metric Android fans use to try and disparage the iPhone by pretending it's a must-have feature and any device without it is somehow basically useless.
Try and stay on topic.
I wonder too myself, then again, I'm sure Apple and people there have thought of giving it Android support. There could be a possibility that they are currently seeing it more of a con rather than a pro, like bugs due to the plethora of different Android phones out there. I'm sure it would spike in demand if ever it can be pair with Android for sure. Time will tell.
Is this post just a little too convoluted?Actually, that's not possible. The Apple Watch is too bulky. It needs to be round. It's like they just shrunk the original iPhone design down. It's just another solution in search of a problem. What can it do that your smartphone can't? etc.
First off:
Activation fees, monthly fees - their all rolled into whatever SIM card you own and use - even if its a Pay-Go setup - it's all included into whatever you've payed into them monthly/weekly/etc. Nothing is free like you've made it out to be on ANY carrier anywhere on this earth (this isn't the Kingsman with Samuel L Jackson's carrier you know).
Secondly: you initially scuffed, more generally of the iPhone, of not having 2 SIM slots and ripped off of roaming fees. More generally of lacking to have choice to use a local SIM card for a local service where you go. I challenged that with switching to another SIM and the latest eSIM in the iPhone as a choice - you can still do it, you still can use LOCAL carrier data where you go (using the local SIM), and still get calls.
- Notice you didn't challenge the ONLY loop-hole in my alternative solution(s) and that's to send receive SMS/MMS on your home carriers SIM when travelling. I'll tell you why you didn't challenge that ... it's because even with YOUR solution you'd be roaming and paying roaming fees for SMS and for data (using MMS) both of which do NOT go through Wi-Fi data. Sure iMessage will carry MMS through their gateways over Wi-Fi and I'm pretty sure Google has a similar service for native Google Pixel phones, having to opt-in on other manufacturer's Android phones ... but the key is for it to work without WiFi it'll STILL cost you; either on a PayGo SIM to reduce the data allotment or if you have unlimited it's been rolled into the payment you've initially setup and use monthly/weekly/etc. It's still there whether you want to see it or not.
now to answer your question above ... I've never stated my suggestion/altenative(s) was as 'Easy' as yours ... I still stand by you probably did NOT fully check into whichever carrier your roaming to see if eSIM is as easy as using your "local while travelling" traditional SIM card as a solution. If not currently offered, more than likely this will be sooner or later (by next years time) and most likely it's a simple as disabling/enabling in the phones OS just like you would with your current traditional dual-SIM card setup for travelling. Why do I presume eSIM would be just as simple if not now yet in a years time? 5G ... the ability for carriers to press-up eSIMs on vehicle data connections from the factory via VIN and for easy police tracking (for stolen vehicles) and for infrastructure, not to mention robotics etc is by FAR where the entire industry is going! No carrier is going to caught slow manually entering and confirming SIM cards into their network switches and billing systems for services ... far too long, error prone along with theft prone.
First Aid, Police, emergency services, homeland security communications / tracking etc is just the beginning.
SO ... again I challenge you to look into the eSIM as an alternative with a few carriers around the world where you go and see if it's offered currently or when it maybe if a projection is in play.
Other things many were resistant to change:
- iPhone design replication on many Android phones (UI icons, 3.5mm headset jack - all but 4 manufacturers have them now on all their current smartphones, which soon will be reduced, the "notch" that happened VERY quickly)
- AirPod feature parity ... GalaxyBuds (I'm not just taking the simple UI pairing, yet the independent use of either stereo headphone of TrueWireless design; GalaxyBuds & AirPods are the only ones on the market
- Lack of carrier branding ... One+
Change happens wether we like it or not but resisting to look for solutions and alternatives shouldn't be resisted just because we're comfortable. (regarding my preference for iOS is a comfort for me but it doesn't mean I don't research and look and ask question about Android).
I see more the Apple Watches, 33% of a marketing with tons of competitors is strong.
Apple definitely needs to android-ify it. Yeah it may not be popular in-house, but making iTunes windows-compatible was the key to Apple's long-term success. And it gives Apple a bigger pool of people to whom they can sell services to.
Porting iTunes to Windows made the adoption rate of iPod's skyrocket. As iPhone and iPad were also released and dependant on iTunes, this helped customers through the who plug and sync process for it's time. If AW can figure out a similar method as mentioned, Apple stands to gain a lot. Smartphones have peaked, wearables is on the rise and Apple will surly ride the wave. Once people see how well the AW functions, it may steer them to an iPhone purchase.
Most Android phones are affordable or provided for free by carriers, so customers are familiar with whatever is provided to them.
There's "Android support" and "Android support." Watch is very tightly integrated with iPhone security and backup - Find My iPhone, Apple Pay, Health data, etc. The Watch backs up to the iPhone, and the aggregate iPhone backup that includes the Watch goes to iTunes or iCloud. Devices have to handshake with iCloud's security systems to validate that a device is properly secured and eligible to trigger secure payments, access iCloud data, etc.
All apps on the Watch are extensions of apps installed on the iPhone - in nearly all cases you have limited functionality on Watch, and you refer to the iPhone app when you have greater need for interaction with that app. So, third-party Android phone apps that support Watch would have to deliver watchOS-compatible app extensions... without the control Apple exercises on the process of app creation/installation via the App Store. Is that at all likely? More likely would be "no third-party apps on Watch for Android."
Could Apple produce an Apple Watch Settings app for Android? Probably. Would it have all the same features and capabilities as the iPhone Settings app? Probably not. That would leave a great, big asterisk on all Watch sales literature: "Android compatibility is limited to... The following features are not available... Essentially, Apple Watch with Android would not be the same product. Yet this crippled product would have to be sold for the same price, as the difference would not be in the Watch hardware.
No, not happening, not for the sake of additional sales of Watches to Android phone users. It's about as likely as Apple selling iOS licenses to iPhone clone-makers.
You're right. Apple could shut down all operations today, sit on its cash hoard, and earn billions annually in investment income. But you'd still have plenty of investors saying, "I could make better investment decisions than the monkey they put in charge."
You sound like the typical sports fan. If only you were in charge of things, your team would win the Super Bowl or World Cup every year, without fail. And, of course, if some long-dead coach or long-gone star players were also still around, the team would also be undefeated for every one of those winning seasons.
We can all imagine a better world. Why is it that we can never achieve utopia?
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Too late for what?
Don't confuse unit sales with profitability. Apple's business formula gives them 10% of the PC industry's unit sales, yet 80-90% of the PC industry's profits. While the percentage of unit sales is higher for iPhone, iPad, and Watch... the same is still true for profitability in every one of those segments - 80-90% of the category's profits, or more.
I expect that Apple's percentage of smart watch units sold will shrink. The more people there are who decide that a smart watch is right for them, the more smart watch brands there will be, with most brands competing for the low-priced market where the biggest number of potential consumers lies. The marketing of those brands will convince even more people to buy a smart watch. And Apple will happily skim off the top end of that growing market, with the profits that come with it.
Plain and simple, the owner of a cheap Android phone is not going to buy a premium smart watch. At best, the market for Android-compatible Apple Watches will be limited to owners of premium Android phones.
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LoL, the fact that he likes using Google Assistant and Google Photos doesn't mean he's locked into in Google's Ecosystem. And on Android you can change default apps, even Google's default apps. For example.
Google Photos is a very nice app popular with a lot of iOS users partially because of its Free Unlimited Backup option. Does Apple have a similar solution which would allow him to completely replace/give up on Google Photos?
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Yeah I think at one point Apple had around 14% market share.
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LoL, So you have no proof at all.
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No, I keep saying that the benefit of Apple’s ecosystem is its integration. By controlling the hardware, the software and service, they can do things that are provide a certain experience. You have no interest in that experience (totally reasonable), but breaking apart their integration causes the whole system to fail.
A simple example from your own points earlier: You want full background tasks, so that Google Photos uploading works better. That necessarily eats battery and makes the experience less good. Apple’s iCloud Photo syncing does not require full background tasks to achieve the same function and is much more power efficient. I am not arguing you should want to use Apple ecosystem, just that the changes you want Apple to make to support Google’s ecosystem, would create an inferior experience for you (and because those changes would permeate the system, likely for every iOS user, even those who did not care about them).
[quote[I'm trying to tell you I don't care about Apple's ecosystem, the benefits, or being tied into it.[/quote]
At no point did I say that you should care about it, in fact I say the opposite. Since you do not care about it, and in fact are deeply embedded in a different ecosystem, iOS will never be a good experience for you.
However, you still want the phone to have the promised battery life, to work well with the amount of RAM it has, to playback video smoothly, etc., all of which are dependent on the tight integration of Apple’s hardware, software and services. That is the problem, the lack of integration would prevent that from happening.
Which is why you should stay on Android. That is never going to be an experience Apple will be able to offer. They build custom chips with implement HEIF and h.265 compression and without support for Google’s preferred formats. They include a neural net processor for which they optimize Siri. They have an m3 co-processor that implements certain tasks that need to be run in the background (like some location services) that iOS apps use to cut battery usage from the main CPU. This is not to say that these are better options for you, just that were you to completely replace Apple’s defaults, all those benefits go away and you end up with a product that will not meet your expectations.
Again, I am not arguing that you need anyone else to do anything for you. My point was simply that the open environment you want, would eliminate all the advantages Apple’s tight integration provides for those that want it. What you would be left with was a phone that would not meet your expectations. Hence why Apple does not do it, and why I said, that given your requirements, iOS is not for you.
It’s an industry defined term.
Did you forget about apples iPhone XS and Xs Max already.
You arguments are really weak taking in consideration you feel the need to write such ridiculously long posts.
What's your strategy? If feels like you are only trying to tire up your interlocutor.
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For people to care.
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Oh, so everything you wrote is basically irrelevant relative to his earlier example about things an iPhone can't do.
Well that was quite obvious from the start. You never actually showed how any of the examples he gave is wrong.
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Well thta's because he doesn't have any real argument relative to the post where he first quoted you.
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Google Assistant, Google Photos and Chromium, were the examples he gave.
Not for free. Google makes it money by selling advertising, hence they give you many things for which they do not charge you. Apple sells its devices and services and so Photos uses iCloud storage which costs money.
However, you made my point for me. He has requirements that neither Apple nor iOS will ever be able to fulfill, hence he should stay on Android.
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So? It doesn't mean he's locked into anything.
So no similar solution from Apple. Got it.
His point was about things he couldn't do on an iphone. Your point was what? To prove hes right by pretending to disagree with him? LOL
I know the quote where you wrongly tried to imply he's locked into Google Ecosystem because he mentioned 3 Google apps.
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