falainber
macrumors 68040
11% last quarter according to IDC and dropping fast.
Apple Watch Continues to Dominate With Estimated 1 in 3 Share of Smartwatch Sales Last Quarter
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11% last quarter according to IDC and dropping fast.
gnasher729
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Seriously, I don't think that would work. It's not just the number of phones sold, it's also about the prices. Someone paying £1,000 for an iPhone XS can probably afford the £279 for a Series 3 or £399 for a Series 4 watch. Someone buying a cheap Android for £200 or less maybe not. So how many Android phones are sold for £449 or more (cheapest iPhone)? That's what you need to count.
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Strange enough, IDC _always_ has low numbers for anything Apple. But I suppose it makes you happy...
Bigballer31
macrumors newbie
Sure we can trust IDC, Try reading DED's article on IDC today in Appleinsider, then come back when you are informed......
LordVic
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So you're saying this report is wrong?
Care to provide a link to where you've got your data from?
falainber
macrumors 68040
DED has no clue (or data). His article says that he does not like it when he reads any news/data that may be perceived negative for Apple. He publishes his editorials bashing MSM treatment of Apple about once a week.
IDC estimates may be inaccurate but DED does not have any estimates of his own, so he is irrelevant.
Intellectua1
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Yea the Android Wear watches are terrible, every time I read the comments on Android sites about the topic it's complaint after complaint and never any real positives. I don't know why Google can't pull its head out of the sand and make a decent competing Wear OS or just provide the base and allow OEM's to customize the OS like they do with Android phones.
Samsung supposedly makes good watches but they abandoned Android Wear and I refuse to go Tizen so really the only good watch on the market is the Apple Watch, which is turning out to be the gold standard. Google needs to get it together FAST!!
Intellectua1
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No this new one, it recently got cleared by the FDA but hasn't been released yet. I'm not sure if it has any other fitness features or what else it offers besides the blood pressure monitor.You mean like this one?
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Infinite Vortex
macrumors 6502a
Hmmmm… anyone else noticed that while Apple has a very large portion of the sector, the sector itself saw basically zero growth over the year of 2018. All that means is that the players are merely taking each other's sales.
realtuner
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Cool. Now do flagships.
Oops, can’t compare apples to apples. Always need to compare the iPhone (apples) to $50 Android phones (oranges) so they can chalk up a win.
thealkimist
macrumors regular
Actually, that's not possible. The Apple Watch is too bulky. It needs to be round. It's like they just shrunk the original iPhone design down. It's just another solution in search of a problem. What can it do that your smartphone can't? etc.
The problem with round is that it's not optimal for listed content.
A search for another problem is exactly what product visions are about. No one thought a car was needed or desirable until Ford made it.
"Others" should be used for marginal brands not used to summarise 30% of the market!
realtuner
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For starters, IDC has been horribly wrong in the past. Most famously they predicted Windows Phone to overtake iOS for market share. How’d that one work out?
Second, nobody is publishing numbers so they’re just basically guessing at sales.
Third, they don’t break down devices by market segment. They’re lumping together motorcycles, compact cars, sports cars, SUVs, luxury sedans and pickups to get a market share number. If they were working for a large corporation and were responsible for analyzing the market share of products you sell compared to competitors, and delivered a report like this, they’d be fired for incompetence.
LordVic
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That's why i'm curious. you claim the numbers are wrong, and I actually am willing to consider it. But without any other numbers provided, we must use the IDC numbers to formulate our opinions.
When we do, we do have to be recognizing of the fact that the numbers are usually estimated analysis and may have margin of error. So making claims on those numberes also should be considered with skepticism
However, there's no alternative set of numbers to use to formulate opinion on sales volumes for Apple. ESPECIALLY since Apple decided last year they would no longer.
So yes, Take a lot of the analysis here with some level of grain of salt. But at the same time, these are the only numbers we have to judge by. And without any other numbers, we cannot prove/disprove IDC's current estimates.
So as someone claiming IDC's numbers are bogus and irrelevant, it's sort of now on you to prove it as the burden of proof generally lies on the claimant
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sucha silly post full of inaccuracy
Round is not optimal for square layouts, but there are some really unique new UI layouts on round watches that can change that. it's definitely something that requires designers to think about, rather than just throwing in a text box. But it can work out very well.
also, Ford did not invent the automobile. It dexisted before and it was desirable before. It was just costly rarity. What Ford did was provide a new means of mass production of the automobile in order to make it affordable, and enough volume to supply those who wanted a car.
now, what any of this has to do with the watch, nothing
I'm just being a pedantic goofball pointing out that your post is innacurateYou missed my point. Apple’s services are interesting primarily because of their integration. They would not be interesting on an Android device, as they would not be integrated. You might be able to access them (as you can for mail, calendar, iCloud Drive, and the web based versions of the iWork apps), but they would not be integrated in the same way as they are on Apple Devices (things like handoff and continuity).
Apple’s privacy features are often based on doing all the work on device, so once you are shipping all your data to Google (like making Assistant your default), you eliminate that benefit.
I did not say you were locked into Google’s ecosystem because you have Android, I said you are locked out of Apple’s ecosystem because you are locked into Google’s services ecosystem.
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Pick any three:
- Dual SIM (outside of China-only dual physical SIM model)
- Expandable storage
- NFC access
- Split screen multitasking
- Support for multiple users
- Widgets / customisable home screen
- Non-proprietary charging/data port
Elegant and simple, with standard lugs instead of a proprietary band mechanism:
richwiss
macrumors newbie
Yeah - holding out for a Series 5 at this point!
DeepIn2U
macrumors G5
Agreed. Yet with just a minimal uptake in estimated sales, one has to wonder that hold back of releasing the ECG app to utilize the new hardware may have been a critical factor?
Apple recently expanded the ECG app to 19 European countries and Hong Kong. (March 27TH, 2019) That's a LONG wait to use a function of the AWatch S4 that was heavily touted as THE key feature.
Apple really needs to stop advertising features/hardware/hardware functions BEFORE product release that they cannot deliver on. Apple is more mature on this. The charging pad is a huge example of this, yet ECG is another.
Either start VERY early with pre-production testing for gov approvals under signed-NDA with legal weight or don't bother at all, or even better ad the feature and news WHEN it's available in majority of regions. It'll let customers FEEL like they have a brand new product!!
Soccertess
macrumors 65816
You could put a monkey in charge of Apple, and it would make money!
Steve left Timmy a golden hen that could lay many many golden eggs. Timmy doesn’t take care of the hen, he is just choking it to death!
They have FDA approval on the blood pressure function. It is not an EKG. It supports notifications, step tracking and some sleep tracking functions, but does not support third party apps or NFC Pay.
EdT
macrumors 68020
I really doubt it. Every system used right now that I know of requires contact with your blood in some form or another. The newer pucks that you just wave the meter over still insert probes under the skin, even if you aren’t pricking your finger and putting a drop on a strip. Studies would need to be done and accuracy over time would need to be demonstrated. I’ve been involved with studies of drugs to treat diabetes and the period of time it took to go from testing on people to a general release was 10-15 years. Especially after the Actos debacle, where it seemed so promising that the FDA granted it fast track status only to find the drug destroyed your liver I can’t imagine anything being approved quickly.
As a diabetic I would not be disappointed if I’m wrong about this.
DeepIn2U
macrumors G5
Pick any three:
- Dual SIM (outside of China-only dual physical SIM model)
- Expandable storage
- NFC access
- Split screen multitasking
- Support for multiple users
- Widgets / customisable home screen
- Non-proprietary charging/data port
Elegant and simple, with standard lugs instead of a proprietary band mechanism:
1: eSIM resolves this outside of china. 2 physical SIM's is not necessary, and check your provider if supported for eSIM and have the sim in their billing/switch systems updated. one and done.
2. Via lighting port - eLeaf and Samsung both have small components up to 512GB to expand.
- also there is cloud storage. So unless you name a workflow or something specific that is NOT resolved by online storage (accessible via Wi-Fi when u wish to save on monthly carrier data restrictions), there are options.
3. What exactly do you need access to the NFC to do? Android tap tap tap to share a contact LMAO?
- NFC in its very early inception was very prone to being intercepted and thus the security stance to NOT have this exposed to third party apps was a smart move. No end user REALLY needs NFC access that is not resolved by bluetooth (pairing with a speaker/headset). So care to explain?
4. > yes many of us are wanting and waiting for this too ... BUT how efficient would this be on it's own without:
smaller apps, the UI, to make it useful as well as direct drag and drop of objects or iterations of functions. Like your request for NFC access ... it's really useless to request this without really explaining the need/functionality of what you're really wanting to use it for ... and thinking how in current iOS UI this could be served or hampered. Think beyond the idea request, and more about what you're requesting to do .. the action.
5. This is a smartphone, and by design a VERY personal device. Why do you want different user modes/access to it? Again what is the action you're trying to accomplish? Android played with this yet is very seldomly used by majority of even pro users.
- most apps handle the need for switching accounts: FB, IG are 2 that I can think of, many others you can log out of 1 account, logon using another. What is within 1 user environment that needs to be silo'd from another and WHO will need to share your personal device?
^ I personally don't see the action or need for a potential action for this.
PS: A very close friend of mine and I use iMessage to keep in touch as I cannot always hang with him every weekend: he as 6 kids the eldest started his own family, the the other 5 are under 14. I was chatting with him and I know he lets his oldest 3rd oldest son and eldest daughter use his iPhone to play games when another is on PS4 or their restricted from those games. I didn't pickup on his 1 word or very word replies as "he" mentioned 'just hanging with the kids' after work. To me, then, he seemed down so I sent a recent article of a guy in the USA who recorded himself peeing in a sauce pot and burnt himself from the oil that splashed on him/unit. made is daughter laugh hysterically and she's usually super quite, yet intelligent. He checked and called me and said yeah my eldest daughter was using his phone, LMAO ... I'm glad the conversation didn't get any worse or graphic beyond the article link. Other than this example, cannot see the real need.
6. We have widgets ... swipe down and also down > swipe right. Some are interactive to quick needs/views. Where have you been? Come on in
7. here again ... asking for the sake of asking but where is the action to be obtained?
- I'll bet this is for USB-C right?
> You want just 1 cable to share amongst what another 2 or 3 other devices in the house?
I'll be 1 has a different charging requirement than the other. You also need to consider:
USB-C is STILL a mess on it's own:
- not ALL cables support ALL speeds of the speck (even outside of Thunderbolt 3)
- not ALL charging blocks will be compatible with all devices, many could damage the internal electrical circuitry in a quick few weeks (FastCharge, QuickCharge, SuperCharge, blah blah) all are not necessarily compatible. There is a great article on Bloomberg or Wired specifically about this!
So again ... what is the action to be enjoyed or requested vs just the request itself here? What is to be gained?
> surely this isn't to complete faster wired data transfer right? We have Wi-Fi for that!
Track record from iTunes or via OTA for firmware on iOS devices has been stellar vs bricking and needing iTunes to load an entire full OS from scratch for over 5yrs now.
I'm looking to see more of the action you're hoping to obtain on some of my replies to your requests above.
Cheers.