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Apple should either license FirstBeat algorithms or better... design similar ones with same level of accuracy that don't require a chest strap. It baffles me how Apple harps on AW being for health... well after it was clear it failed on selling the AW as fashion... and still it can't, as a standard health feature, calculate VO2max. If find it hilarious that people demand sleep monitors -- like do they really not know if they slept well? and yet VO2max is a real benchmark one can use to find there true fitness level.

It's funny I run out every two years to buy the newest Garmin with the latest analytics just because it's cool. Until Apple does that I have no reason to upgrade my AW Series 0. I don't need a faster process to push out notifications or use ApplePay.

In tests, a calibrated Apple Watch is the most accurate activity tracker. https://www.cnet.com/news/smartwatch-step-counter-and-distance-tracker-accuracy/
 
Yup, I've been saying this all along. A less featured watch/fitness band, priced at $150 or so, would fly off the shelves.
Lets face it, many don't want or need 3rd party apps, but rather prefer tracking health info within the safety of Apple's standard apps.

Yeah but why would Apple go into loss leader territory? I don’t think they care how much money those “leaders” are losing. The game is about making money.
 
What we need is a longer battery life to compete with Fitbit and for once, i'm looking forward to Apple saying they have made a product thinner! If they can't do this, then we need an Apple Fitness band
 
In tests, a calibrated Apple Watch is the most accurate activity tracker. https://www.cnet.com/news/smartwatch-step-counter-and-distance-tracker-accuracy/

OK but why are you posting to me on that? I didn't mention anything about activity trackers. Most of the analytics I referred to require a chest strap which is why I noted it would be neat if Apple developed tests that didn't require one. THAT would be innovative. A chest strap is more useful for training than any optical heart rate sensor right b/c optical HRMs really don't do well at detecting heart rate variability, just pulse. VO2max analysis requires both to give a somewhat accurate score. If you are wondering what the difference is see HERE

Bottom line is optical is fine for activity monitors but for something more than a guesstimate you need a chest strap for most training analytics I refer to.
 
I use mine all day and when I put it on charge at night the battery has never been lower than around 87%.
Mine is probably a bit lower because I have the workouts on most days (trying hard to get back in shape), and they seem to drain the battery. I could see getting 3-4 days out of it, if I was just using the basic functions.
 
Every time apple releases something new everyone always says how it's going to flop and apple always proves them wrong.

New MacBook Pro
iPhone 7
iPad Pro
Apple Watch

And lo and behold they all sold like hotcakes. I wonder why so many supposedly apple fans on here want the company to fail so badly.

As an apple fan well done apple.

And AirPods. The one where people made jokes about it and ended up getting slapped in the face.
 
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2017 does appear to have been a tipping point. Great stuff.

Tbh I don't really care about the iPhone all the much - if I return to iOS from Android, it will be because of the Apple Watch.

(Saying that, I love my Samsung Gear S3 but AW will offer a much more complete range moving forward, it's clear).

The Watch is also what's keeping me in the Apple ecosystem. I'd be perfectly happy with a Samsung phone, but I love my Apple Watch.
 
My wife really wants one, but the price point is still too high for her.

I'm not sure what model your wife wants, but the market is completely saturated with steep weekly discounts with the Apple Watch, both the Sport model and stainless typically . Even the used market has Apple Watches that are like new that are priced well below the starting price point. If you search, you can find an Apple Watch Sport model priced low that someone may not have wanted or worn very little for resale.
 
Had a gen 1, liked the concept but didn't think it was worth the price back then :) I'd like better battery life before I buy one again, maybe third times the charm?. I'd also like to be able to store podcasts and audio books so I wouldn't have to bring my phone with me to the gym, jogging or walking. Whilst it is unlikely that apple would do it, I would really like it if they had sim cards so I could go kayaking or skiing without the phone but still be able to make emergency calls if something goes wrong.
 
So...

30 million Watches sold since 2015, as compared to roughly about 750+ million (someone do a better count please) Watch compatible iPhones sold since late 2012.

About 4% uptake. Not too bad, really.

I think it could use more case styles. Not everyone wants to wear a clone of the same wrist wearable as everyone else. Different watch bands alone are not enough.
 
That's a pretty obvious statement though. Of course you'll see more a few years after it's release...

I think what that member is saying, is not necessarily the Apple Watch has expanded Because it's been available since 2015, but it's becoming more adopted in the smart watch world where fitbit seemed like the primary, now the Apple Watch appears to be the majority on a lot of consumers wrists. And of course if someone is an iPhone owner, the choice is obvious. (Especially considering how dominant the iPhone is. )

When the Apple Watch first released, I read comments from those saying "I never see the Apple Watch in the Wild", but now it's completely opposite. The smart Watch category is a niche market, but the Apple Watch is dominating it.
 
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I'm still using the first generation watch every day and after two years the battery life is great..... It's been in the pool hundreds of times without a problem. I will definitely replace it with a new model when the time comes.
I’ve taken mine swimming a few times but it’s always on when I’m in the shower or steamroom, mine was in for repairs due to an OS bug where notifications stopped displaying. The only way to fix it was for Apple to do a proper format with it. But yeah Gen 0 here too with no problems swimming, awesome battery life. Surpassed my expectations in every way :)
 
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Here's to hoping much improved battery life, an accurate GPS and altimeter in Apple Watch Series 3! With as much emphasis Apple has placed on fitness, the Apple Watch has a long way to go, see Garmin fitness watches.
 
The comment about lost wearable leadership is a joke... Any comment about Apple losing leadership in a market they don't plan on entering any time soon, and is in no way comparable to the one they are in, is a joke.

Guess Mercedes lost their leadership of the auto Market 110 years ago; why on earth didn't they realize they were doomed back then!

This is EXACTLY what I tell all the Apple haters. Marketshare or "units sold" are not the primary indicators of a good company.
 
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Every time apple releases something new everyone always says how it's going to flop and apple always proves them wrong.

New MacBook Pro
iPhone 7
iPad Pro
Apple Watch

And lo and behold they all sold like hotcakes. I wonder why so many supposedly apple fans on here want the company to fail so badly.

As an apple fan well done apple.
It's the old grumpy Apple fans who hate any change or evolution of the company.
 
I'm interested how all these wearables in direct contact with skin will effect the body 10 years from now. Not just the AW, however the AW does seem to have the most I/O compared to others. I'd be curious on wrist bone changes after years of use. :apple:
 
snip...Until then I have no interest in strapping additional weight onto my body. A watch with a cell modem lets me ELIMINATE WEIGHT from my body if I can ditch the phone.
Is gravity that much of a problem?
 
I would really like an Apple Watch, but one of the key health metrics I want to use it for is sleep tracking. The Apple Watch is useless for that, since its battery doesn't last a full day.

This is absolutely wrong. Battery life of Series 2 AWs especially is pretty good. I wear the Watch all day and night and only charge for 1h max in the morning while showering etc. The lowest I've seen the percentage go, ever, was in the mid-60s, most of the time it's way over 70 and sometimes over 80 in the morning. So I guess I could charge every 2-3 days but to me it makes more sense to do it daily as part of the morning routine.
 
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