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After 2 years, 99% of consumers are still scratching their heads and trying to figure out what they are good for.

It isn't that they are useless, but they don't add anything practical to most people's lives or productivity. They are profligate kitsch-novelty.

Not sure about you or what you really want from a smartwatch...but for me (and still on series 1) does quite a lot and could not be any happier with it.
 
I see quite a few of them day to day.

No easy way to say this... I just think, when I see one, that they look so unfashionable. Just an odd distraction to how someone looks. With some people (especially older folks) they simply look like they are trying SO HARD to look cool. A bit desperate, in a way.

Sorry, just my opinion.
 
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I see quite a few of them day to day.

No easy way to say this... I just think, when I see one, that they look so unfashionable. Just an odd distraction to how someone looks. With some people (especially older folks) they simply look like they are trying SO HARD to look cool. A big desperate, in a way.

Sorry, just my opinion.

You don't need to apologize for your opinion, otherwise why make one? But I disagree, I doubt the it's a priority for the older crowd (Or geriatric) want to look "Cool." There are a lot of added health benefits for someone who may want to track their overall health and utilize the heart rate sensor. And fashion is in the eye of the beholder, your view just doesn't align with someone else's, there is nothing wrong with that.
 
Also...older people are more likely to have difficulty hearing. I've been trying to get my FIL to get an iPhone for nothing more than the ability to text in a conversation and have the watch to haptically notify him when he is getting a call, text, email...whatever.

He's just too cheap...even when I have offered to buy for him...hah
 
If Apple ever do figure out non-invasive transcutaneous glucose monitoring, sales of the Apple Watch will absolutely rocket...

Until then, yes, it is just an expensive smart watch.

The battery life has to be better than what it is. I have a Garmin vivoactive HR which has a 5 day battery life. With all the smarts Apple supposed has, the battery life should have improved by now. Even a solar version would be a great addition.
 
I think it could use more case styles. Not everyone wants to wear a clone of the same wrist wearable as everyone else. Different watch bands alone are not enough.

I will add to this. The Bands and cases are great, both well made from Apple. But A Watch face store would be monumental for the Watch. It would really expand the appeal and it would offer further customization aside from the bands. I think this will happen, but of course on Apple's terms.
 
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It's a shame Apple Watch is possibly the most uncomfortable watch ever to wear, if it wasn't i might have bought one. Shame really as i have just about every other Apple product going and would love to have one, but just can get away with how uncomfortable it is, it is pretty ugly as well.
 
Not surprised. I see Apple Watch A LOT more than I used to. Surprisedly, well, not really, I see the Sports Grey model the most. I rarely, if ever, see the SS version.
 
FitBit wins on two main points: Price and battery life.

I would really like an Apple Watch, but one of the key health metrics I want to use it for is sleep tracking. The Apple Watch is useless for that, since its battery doesn't last a full day. I picked up a FitBit Charge 2 for $150, and I love it. Its battery lasts a week, and can charge fully in about an hour.

The Apple Watch packs an impressive amount of technology in a tiny package, but it needs better battery life and a lower price. That's why it's not a mainstream player just yet.

You can do sleep tracking no problem. I have auto-sleep on my phone it uses the watch. I charge my watch before bed but you don't have to. I can tell you I will go to sleep at around 11pm with the watch at 100% battery, put the watch in that mode that causes it to not wake when you turn your wrist, and when I wake up at 6:30am it is still at 100%. Did that for three nights and it was still at 100% every time. I don't get a lot of notifications in the middle of the night, the screen doesn't turn on, and apparently the heart rate monitor etc doesn't use much battery over night
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The battery life has to be better than what it is. I have a Garmin vivoactive HR which has a 5 day battery life. With all the smarts Apple supposed has, the battery life should have improved by now. Even a solar version would be a great addition.

Well at least you admit you don't own one and are commenting. I do own one and do not have an issue with battery life, I charge it every night like I do my phone and the battery lasts better than my phone battery does
 



Apple shipped an estimated 2.8 million Apple Watch units in the June quarter, an increase of 56 percent from an estimated 1.8 million shipments in the year-ago quarter, according to a new report by research firm Strategy Analytics.

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Strategy Analytics previously estimated Apple Watch shipments totaled 13.6 million in 2015, and 11.6 million last year, suggesting Apple shipped its 30 millionth Apple Watch at some point in the past three to four months.

Specifically, Apple Watch shipments have now reached an estimated 31.5 million units over the product's lifetime.

Despite the milestone, Strategy Analytics claims Apple trails Fitbit and Chinese company Xiaomi, estimated to be the world's largest wearables vendor, but both sell less expensive fitness trackers.

Xiaomi shipped an estimated 3.7 million wearables in the June quarter, according to Strategy Analytics, while Fitbit on Wednesday reported sales of 3.4 million devices in the same period, down from 5.7 million a year ago.

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"Apple has for now lost its wearables leadership to Xiaomi, due to a lack of presence in the sizeable fitness band subcategory," said Cliff Raskind, Director at Strategy Analytics. "However, the rumored upcoming Watch Series 3 launch with enhanced health tracking could prove to be a popular smartwatch model and enable Apple to reclaim the top wearables spot later this year."

It's important to acknowledge these are estimated figures, and that shipments do not necessarily reflect sales. And, as mentioned, Xiaomi doesn't participate in the high-end smartwatch market, and Apple doesn't compete in the low-end fitness tracker market. It's essentially an apples to oranges comparison.

Apple doesn't break out Apple Watch sales like it does with iPhones, iPads, and Macs. Instead, it groups the wearable under its "Other Products" category, alongside Apple TV, AirPods, Beats, iPods, and other accessories.

Apple reported "Other Products" revenue of $2.7 billion in the June quarter, up 23 percent on year.

In its post-earnings conference call, Apple CEO Tim Cook once again talked up how well Apple Watch is supposedly selling.

"Sales of Apple Watch were up over 50 percent in the June quarter," said Cook. "It's the number one selling smartwatch in the world by a very wide margin."

"Apple Watch is having a positive impact on peoples' health and daily lives, and motivating them to sit less and move more," he added. "With features like built-in GPS and waterproofing, Apple Watch Series 2 is the perfect companion for hiking, running, and swimming."

Cook has made similar statements in the past. In the March quarter, he noted that sales of Apple Watch nearly doubled year over year. In the December quarter, he announced that Apple Watch had its best quarter ever.

Strategy Analytics doesn't disclose its exact methodology of calculating Apple Watch shipments for competitive reasons, but executive director Neil Mawston has told MacRumors the research firm uses "a blend of channel checks, financial analysis, and other sources" when asked in the past.

"It is the same methodology we have used for phones since the 1990s and for wearables since the modern market first emerged circa 2013," he added.

The focus now turns to the fall, when Apple is rumored to debut Apple Watch Series 3 models, potentially alongside its new lineup of iPhones.

Article Link: Apple Watch Has Now Surpassed Estimated 30 Million Shipments Since Launching in 2015
 
They already exist.

Why would apple build one of those and race to the bottom, rather than leverage their strengths in pushing things along?


Yeah but why would Apple go into loss leader territory? I don’t think they care how much money those “leaders” are losing. The game is about making money.

Why does it have to be a loss leader? We know Apple's margins on everything they build is enormously high. Don't forget they stand to make a ton on bands and accessories as well. It's also a gateway into a higher margin Apple Watch 3. Especially if it has new diagnostics, or health related features.

And as I said in my earlier post, security. There are Fitbits and Garmins, but some may prefer their information remain with Apple.
 

Stop comparing shipments to sales, in Asia there are thousands of kiosks displaying Xiaomi products at huge discounts. That's inventory, not sales. Apple only takes a sale when it's to a end customer.
 
FitBit wins on two main points: Price and battery life.

I would really like an Apple Watch, but one of the key health metrics I want to use it for is sleep tracking. The Apple Watch is useless for that, since its battery doesn't last a full day. I picked up a FitBit Charge 2 for $150, and I love it. Its battery lasts a week, and can charge fully in about an hour.

The Apple Watch packs an impressive amount of technology in a tiny package, but it needs better battery life and a lower price. That's why it's not a mainstream player just yet.

I have the Apple Watch ⌚️series 2 42mm and it lasts a full 2 days. I try to charge mine at night when I'm sleeping, but as long as it gets a full charge it'll last 2 days (YMMV).

I agree sleep tracking would be wonderful, and I think could be added either with a software update (probably not watchOS 4) or in the next series.

But either way, I'm not sure why some people make the assertion that battery doesn't last. Just my 2 cents
 
They should really post Garmin data. It's a closer rival than either fitbit or xioami and likely has larger revenue share than fitbit.

The Garmin watches may be interesting for very active athletes but have basically zero mainstream appeal.
 
It's a shame Apple Watch is possibly the most uncomfortable watch ever to wear, if it wasn't i might have bought one. Shame really as i have just about every other Apple product going and would love to have one, but just can get away with how uncomfortable it is, it is pretty ugly as well.

Interesting. I'm not a watch wearer, but recently picked up a Series 2 on sale. The sport band is comfortable to the point that I forget I have it on until I get a notification. It is also quite comfortable during workouts.

Fashion I do not know much about, but my wife says the the white band aluminum model looks better than she imagined it would on me. I had just assumed I would look nerdy, but I learned a long time ago to not care too much about what other people thought and to just do my own thing.
 
What a failure.
Hard to say if you're being sarcastic or not. 30mm watches in 3 years? That's about $10 million watches a year. Certainly not a failure, but it's also not a runaway success either. By Apple standards, it's a "hobby", and certainly not driving the company or likely going to save them when the iPhone hits a wall.
 
I was skeptical at first, but end up buying last December a Nike+ version AW. I have to say I enjoy it for workouts. I am an avid swimmer and tracking it has been great. I use it all the time and my conditioning has improved a lot. The challenges are good and while I don't love the AW design and miss my Omega Seamaster, I am keeping it and probably will buy the next version.
 
Hard to say if you're being sarcastic or not. 30mm watches in 3 years? That's about $10 million watches a year. Certainly not a failure, but it's also not a runaway success either. By Apple standards, it's a "hobby", and certainly not driving the company or likely going to save them when the iPhone hits a wall.

1) It was released May 2015. Far short of 3 years, far closer to 2 years.

2)
That's about $10 million watches a year
Are you under the impression that these cost a dollar?
 
You can do sleep tracking no problem. I have auto-sleep on my phone it uses the watch. I charge my watch before bed but you don't have to. I can tell you I will go to sleep at around 11pm with the watch at 100% battery, put the watch in that mode that causes it to not wake when you turn your wrist, and when I wake up at 6:30am it is still at 100%. Did that for three nights and it was still at 100% every time. I don't get a lot of notifications in the middle of the night, the screen doesn't turn on, and apparently the heart rate monitor etc doesn't use much battery over night
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Well at least you admit you don't own one and are commenting. I do own one and do not have an issue with battery life, I charge it every night like I do my phone and the battery lasts better than my phone battery does

I charge mine while I shower and I'm usually fine. If I go for a long swim or a very long run, the battery does drain considerably though. It is good enough for now.

If I were running Apple, I would hold off on the Apple Watch 3 until I have a lot more improvements. I don't think an incremental upgrade will boost sales much at all.
 
1) It was released May 2015. Far short of 3 years, far closer to 2 years.

2)

Are you under the impression that these cost a dollar?

Good point. OK 15 million watches a year. How many iPhones and iPads do they sell a year? ;-)
 
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Stop comparing shipments to sales, in Asia there are thousands of kiosks displaying Xiaomi products at huge discounts. That's inventory, not sales. Apple only takes a sale when it's to a end customer.

Nope. Apple records a sale when a unit:

1. Is handed direct to an end user in person at a physical Apple store location.
2. Arrives at an end user when shipped from an online Apple store.
3. Ships to a retailer / carrier.

#3 is the overwhelming majority of cases.
 
Apple watch may take off when it doesn't need a phone tethered. I'm still patiently waiting for a cellular modem to be included. Samsung has had this for years. Until then I have no interest in strapping additional weight onto my body. A watch with a cell modem lets me ELIMINATE WEIGHT from my body if I can ditch the phone.
Think battery life is the major concern to include Cellular modem, but ultimately they will get there.
 
Good point. OK 15 million watches a year. How many iPhones and iPads do they sell a year? ;-)

15 million watches a year at an ASP of around $400. That's $6bn. Enough to be into the Fortune 500 all on its own. And you think they should s**tcan it. Yeah, about that...
 
Wall Street and pundits say AppleWatch is a failure and yet Apple sold 30 million units so far.
"Failure" depends on what was expected: if the expectation was to deliver the "next big thing", a new game-changing product, sorry but there is not question the Apple Watch failed so far. If the expectation was much lower, Apple Watch can definitely be considered a success.
 
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