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I had an OG pebble it broke with in one month. I decided to get an Apple Watch little out of my budget. Saw a sale for $249. Pretty cheap. Well worth it. Answer calls everything. Pebble is known for screen tears. I didn't bother send it in and get it replaced. The new pebble is the same price as the Apple watch just few bucks more.
Well, okay then!
As I say mine is now 3 years old and is working perfectly. I think the battery life has shortened from 5-6 days to 4 now though so its showing signs of getting old.
I did own an Apple Watch but I took it back after a week, it was just before Watch OS2 so I was running a beta of it. It just didn't do it for me - no waterproofing and its short battery life was the kicker for me. Taking calls on it was neat.
 
When the cost is double your competitors for the low-end, it will be difficult to maintain a significant marketshare. Apple Watch 2 needs a $250 option.
 
How about they make it faster and compatible with android devices? They did the same with making iTunes Store for Windows and it boosted their ipod sales. Could do the same for Apple watch.
 
So... Faster, thinner, more stuff on it, and cheaper. Like the galaxy watch. Right?
 
Better looking, would be nice. Seen without the "fashion bands", its just a typical Ive shiny rounded rectangle.

Reminds me of the tale of the "Emperor's New Clothes". Some praise it, while others go, "What the heck?!"

With past products such as the iPhone and iPad, fan concepts were usually outdone by the actual product design. I don't think that happened in the case of the Watch.
 
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I agree to a point....but if you have smaller sales/market share then you will have smaller profits. Aren't all businesses plans to make more profits? Even if you have large profit margins from your products you still need sales to make that profit. If sales/market share decreses so does profits.

The attempt to increase sales comes at a cost for any business. It could
Market share is the way to roping consumers into their ecosystem. If they want the highest possible ecosystem usage, they'll want the most amount of people using their devices.

I'm not saying Apple doesn't want a larger market share, but Wallstreet inferring that the market share leader is the most successful brand / company, is just false. You can be both market leader and highly profitable, but Apple has also shown that they can be the minority market share holder and be FAR more profitable than those who have the lion's share of the market (in volume).

Any company that pushes to be market leader, at the expense of profitability, will likely fail, unless they can find ways to significantly cut costs / streamline in order to gain back profit points.
 
The attempt to increase sales comes at a cost for any business. It could


I'm not saying Apple doesn't want a larger market share, but Wallstreet inferring that the market share leader is the most successful brand / company, is just false. You can be both market leader and highly profitable, but Apple has also shown that they can be the minority market share holder and be FAR more profitable than those who have the lion's share of the market (in volume).

Any company that pushes to be market leader, at the expense of profitability, will likely fail, unless they can find ways to significantly cut costs / streamline in order to gain back profit points.
I agree with you to some point. Apple has shown with the market share they have .....they can be extremely profitable.
Apple has the best selling smartphone in the world the iphone. It is the single best selling smartphone model in the world. Apple derives about 68% of it profits from the iphone. But the IOS platform has never been the world's most popular. That would be Android. Apple cannot grow their profits without selling iphones. The more iphones they sell the more money they make. Sales are tied directly to market share. The more sales you have....generally means you have increased market share. The less sales you have the less profit you make from those sales. Which generally leads to less market share. Apple is losing sales YoY from almost all of its product line......Macs, iPads, iPhones. Market share affects profits in a number of ways. Firstly coincides with loss of sales and profits. Then it also hurst stock price and valuations.
But it is not doom and gloom for Apple...they have what 200B in cash reserves. So they can weather the storm for a while......
 
Better looking, would be nice. Seen without the "fashion bands", its just a typical Ive shiny rounded rectangle.

Reminds me of the tale of the "Emperor's New Clothes". Some praise it, while others go, "What the heck?!"

With past products such as the iPhone and iPad, fan concepts were usually outdone by the actual product design. I don't think that happened in the case of the Watch.
Opinions about the looks are very subjective. I don't like it very much and I know a lot of others share my opinion but I don't think all those who do like how it looks are praising it solely because it's an Apple product. It's made to Apple's usual standards, it's comfortable on the wrist and looks and feels like a good quality product. I just don't like the shape of the case and think it's a bit bland looking.

To me it's the one product in the Apple range where the single design with size and finish variations doesn't work. I'm not saying they should get rid of the rectangular design but I would like them to offer alternative design options which myself and others might find more attractive.
 
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If the next watch is an S version , they will continue to loose market share. Personally I would only upgrade if there is built in gps.
 
Better looking, would be nice. Seen without the "fashion bands", its just a typical Ive shiny rounded rectangle.

Reminds me of the tale of the "Emperor's New Clothes". Some praise it, while others go, "What the heck?!"

With past products such as the iPhone and iPad, fan concepts were usually outdone by the actual product design. I don't think that happened in the case of the Watch.

Thats the feeling. There were some really amazing designed fan mockups. The expectations for a real fashion piece was there. They propped it up as a fashion changing. And then they super doubled down on Fashion media marketing.

You'd expect a company who is going to claim fashion first would have done more than slap a square screen between watch straps.

Is it well built? YES. Can it be useful and functional? Absolutely for some. There seems to be a market, albeit not the biggest one, but it's there, for smart watches.

But Apple's design look lazy and grossly under-engineered. Does it have to be Circle to look great? no, but you have to do more than take a square screen, slap a gold border on it and call it fashion. If you look at square watches that do exist, they don't look like square black slabs with a border. They're intricately designed and offer a lot more fashion behind it. More than just replaceable watch straps.

Want me to buy one though?

1. Round (personal preference)
2. Thinner (I'm usually not one to want thinner jsut for thinner sake, but the Apple watch needs to be thinner. So do most Android wear ones, it's currently the biggest issue. Batteries are the cause of this
3. Android Compatible. I don't want an iPhone. Its' not the device for me. I do have iOS device (iPad), but I would consider a $300 Round Apple watch that could work with Android. the Apple Watch isn't going to convince me to buy an iPhone. (Apple needs to do that by fixing issues with iOS I have)

at the end of the day, for a smart watch fit into my life it has to have the following priorities

1. Looks First. Watches to me are fashion items first. I don't wear any jewelry, except a watch. I'e worn a steelband analogue watch my entire life (A few of them over the years). They jsut tell time. Trust me, I don't wear it cause its super useful / practical. I wear it cause I like the feeling of the weight on my writs, and I like the ability to look at the time in 1 second or less. if The Watch doesn't LOOK like a good quality watch first, I'm not going to consider buying it. And IMHO, The Apple watch doesn't look like it.

2. Fast interactions. I don't want a watch that has complexity to the menues and system. Watches are to meant to be looked at in periods of 1-3 seconds. glances. If you want to look / use complications outside of your standard screen, you should be able to get to them and use them in that time. if it takes longer to look something up on the watch than pulling out the phone, then it failed at it's only job.

3. Lengevity. A watch needs to be "timeless". or as reasonably close to it. If I bought a watch today, I want to know that 5 years from now, I'm not throwing it out because the battery can no longer hold a cycle, or the software has been crippled limited. A fear I have for Gen 1 Apple watch.
 
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But it is not doom and gloom for Apple...they have what 200B in cash reserves. So they can weather the storm for a while......

Hmmm, and how much in cash reserves did Enron have? I think most people can remember what happened with them. Apple claims to have large cash reserves, but does their behaviour indicate that this is true, or quite the opposite?
To me, something isn't quite right in the world of Apple at the moment.
 
Although it's normal that this forum reflects the views of pure Apple Devotees, I must say that some seem to be grasping at straws when claiming Apple Watch as superior.

Especially as compared to the dept and breadth of Smartwatches powered by the fast and reliable Android OS. With a wealth of choices, price points and feature sets, AW is hard pressed to measure up.

With the "Tank Watch" style Apple copied, a design dating back to 1917 there's certainly nothing new about it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartier_Tank
 
When the cost is double your competitors for the low-end, it will be difficult to maintain a significant marketshare. Apple Watch 2 needs a $250 option.

The current watch will be offered for $199 & $249 when the Second gen is launched. Just like the iPhones. That will be the entry level watch.
 
Hmmm, and how much in cash reserves did Enron have? I think most people can remember what happened with them. Apple claims to have large cash reserves, but does their behaviour indicate that this is true, or quite the opposite?
To me, something isn't quite right in the world of Apple at the moment.
It would seem so huh? I think it is a lack of focus and direction since SJ passed tbh.
 
With the "Tank Watch" style Apple copied, a design dating back to 1917 there's certainly nothing new about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartier_Tank

I don't think it looks anything like the Tank. The front is just Jon Ive repeating himself:

Apple-Watch-original-iPhone.jpg


The rest is all co-designer Marc Newson, repeating his 1990s designs, from the back:

ikepod-manetee.jpg


to the replaceable and sport bands:

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to even the Sport's boxing shape, with slips to hold bands:

ikepod_watchcase2.png
 
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Just tried to launch an app on my watch, it took 5 seconds to complete. How is that in any way useful? Didn't they test these things before launch?
 
Sport model - starts at 199 for 38 and 249 for 42
steinless - states at 349 for 38 and 449 for 42

29 silicon and nylon bands
69 all leather bands
119 stainless bands

thats it.
I think you must have smoked your breakfast today. The Sport model starts at $299 for the 38, which is too small for most men's wrists.

To me, it's obvious how Apple completely takes over the market. Make Apple Watch 2 smart-band compatible and allow third parties to make the bands. If you want a fitness watch, buy a gps band. If you want a stand-alone watch, buy a cellular band. And make it available this year. And charge less.

Apple would then take over the world.
 
They could put more stuff in the current watchOS with more substance. More watch faces for starters. Possibly even a more open sdk for others to make watch faces for distribution.

A nice SDK, armies of apple watch devs out there or with this in place aspiring ones to use it and we have watch face complaint topic closed. Lots of users happy about it in that process.

Not all change watch bands like underwear. Its a gimmick that only appeals to a certain market. My watches I tend to lean to dark basic color bands. I just have the 1 band for my mechanical watch, I go for something not out of place in the pool doing laps, at the office or not all dressed up for an event.

Its also a disguised money pit. You've spent a few hundred dollars, thank you. Now allow us to pick that wallet apart some more one band at a time.

I can't disagree with what you're saying, but isn't that how all businesses work? If I was a company releasing a product I would want to maximize the **** out of it. Wouldn't you? Not sure why people begrudge Apple trying to profit; that's their responsibility as a publicly traded corporation.
 
I think you must have smoked your breakfast today. The Sport model starts at $299 for the 38, which is too small for most men's wrists.

To me, it's obvious how Apple completely takes over the market. Make Apple Watch 2 smart-band compatible and allow third parties to make the bands. If you want a fitness watch, buy a gps band. If you want a stand-alone watch, buy a cellular band. And make it available this year. And charge less.

Apple would then take over the world.
Maybe those prices weren't in American dollars.
 
I usually buy first generation Apple products but I passed on the Apple Watch. It is very over-priced for what it is. Unlike most Apple devices it does not have that top-shelf look and feel.

Johnny Ive is apparently a huge fan of watches and owns several very high end pieces... so it is a bit of a head scratcher on why he came up with such a lackluster design as the Apple watch. Rectangle, really? I might expect that from Pebble (and I have one of those for running & mountain biking) but I expect more from Apple.

I wear a pretty nice Omega watch right now and I don't want to feel like I'm putting something 3rd rate on my wrist to wear the apple watch but that's exactly what it looked and felt like when I tried it on.
 
I don't think it looks anything like the Tank. The front is just Jon Ive repeating himself:

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The rest is all co-designer Marc Newson, repeating his 1990s designs, from the back:

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to the replaceable and sport bands:

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to even the Sport's boxing shape, with slips to hold bands:

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I've seen this exact same post before, maybe even by you, and still not sure what the point is. That designers borrow from their own designs? It happens on a regular basis. Ever seen Frank Gehry's work? How about Picasso's? Porsche?

I don't think anyone is saying that it looks like a Tank beyond the fact that it has the same basic shape. When I personally use the Tank comparison it's to point out that the Apple Watch doesn't automatically need to be round just to suit someone's limited knowledge of watch shapes.
 
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I think you must have smoked your breakfast today. The Sport model starts at $299 for the 38, which is too small for most men's wrists.

To me, it's obvious how Apple completely takes over the market. Make Apple Watch 2 smart-band compatible and allow third parties to make the bands. If you want a fitness watch, buy a gps band. If you want a stand-alone watch, buy a cellular band. And make it available this year. And charge less.

Apple would then take over the world.
Nope. The watch is still too slow.
 
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