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If Apple is serious about targeting athletes it needs to get the software right, not the hardware.
Apple is not targeting serious athletes. It's always targeted the regular people. The entire idea of a Mac was to bring computers under the roofs of regular folks who are not willing to solder their own motherboards. The same with iPod, iPhone, the same with iPad and now same with Watch. These devices are for the masses who happen to run or do yoga, not train on a semi-pro and up level. I find them to be very straight with this strategy for the past 40 years or so.
 
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Looks like the pro model is designed to be cheaper to produce and assemble. Whatever they add to it to differentiate it can be offset by the savings in manufacturing and assembly. It’ll still cost more for customers but Apple will make more money off each unit so that’s good right?
 
Looks like the pro model is designed to be cheaper to produce and assemble. Whatever they add to it to differentiate it can be offset by the savings in manufacturing and assembly. It’ll still cost more for customers but Apple will make more money off each unit so that’s good right?
You are basing this off what?
 
The form factor on this CAD model looks terrible and the crown chassis looks like it’s going to hurt if I bend my wrist. Hopefully this is not the final product.
 
I’ve been an Apple Watch user and a Garmin user. I’m currently using the Garmin fenix 7X (a remarkable device). If Apple truly wants to compete with Garmin in this market, they will need to seriously make improvements to battery life on their watches.
 
Apple is not targeting serious athletes. It's always targeted the regular people. The entire idea of a Mac was to bring computers under the roofs of regular folks who are not willing to solder their own motherboards. The same with iPod, iPhone, the same with iPad and now same with Watch. These devices are for the masses who happen to run or do yoga, not train on a semi-pro and up level. I find them to be very straight with this strategy for the past 40 years or so.
Exactly.

Apple really always aims at making devices for the mainstream. Always, all of them, with a few exceptions.

Some products might have a branding and aesthetics that allies to being for a niche crowd. But behind all the visual cues are still devices aimed as broadly as possible.

The whole "Pro" and "Pro Max" shtick is just Apple marketing jargon for "Large" and "Xtra Large".
 
Garmin Fenix 7X, 51 mm. The competition.

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If someone wants durability there is the stainless steel with sapphire. I smash my watch on so many things and never once has it cracked or even scratched. Need for a rugged watch is non existent. The people balking at a $999 price are clearly the ones that were purchasing the aluminum model, as the higher quality Apple Watches have been $800+ for a while now, despite that being news to so many on here.
Not sure if it’s just my usage or something in the build is different, but the 7 has seemed less durable to me in that I have several deep glass scratches and no clue where they came from. I’ve owned the S0, S2, S4 and never protected it and they always looked flawless. But I guess it only takes one afternoon of rough gardening or something to cause this so 🤷‍♂️
 
I never have. It's easier to use a chip debit/credit card.
Says literally no one that has actually used Apple Pay. You literally double click the side button and tap the screen and it charges instantly rather than sitting around waiting for it to tell you to remove your card. You can also do it with your hands full and not have to fumble around pulling out a card.
 
Says literally no one that has actually used Apple Pay. You literally double click the side button and tap the screen and it charges instantly rather than sitting around waiting for it to tell you to remove your card. You can also do it with your hands full and not have to fumble around pulling out a card.
How do you hit the button with your hands full?

Anyway, I did try it once, it didn't work out to being that easy for me, and the card is pretty easy these days. I really don't need it that much. (no more than once a week or so, mostly for gasoline) and a few seconds waiting for auth isn't enough to bother me.
 
I don't really care what it looks like, I just want better functionality and something that can compete with Garmin (from what I read in the other threads)

Garmin Enduro 2 is the king now, battery is awesome with solar.
 
Garmin Enduro 2 is the king now, battery is awesome with solar.

The AWP has a low power mode but the Fenix 7 likely has much better battery life in its regular mode. The Fenix 7 can get up to 26 days in expedition GPS mode. The Fenix 7X can get up to 62 days of battery life with Expedition GPS mode. The Enduro can get up to 95 days with solar.

This is the sort of thing that Garmin users have had for several years.
 
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