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It’s already selling like hotcakes. Further more, would it not be possible for other watch makers to add such features to their Android devices? Maybe not as Android itself is a giant bag of hurt when it comes to this kind of innovation.

They seem to be selling them as fast as their making them, sold out on the online apple retail store until end of October. I don’t believe apple cares about adding android support...maybe when sales are affected.
 
Received my Space Gray 44mm Sport model last Friday and a black Speidel Twist-O-Flex bracelet today. The watch looks great, performs well and is comfortable to wear. The display and appearance are much improved over the 42mm Series 2. Used the Apple trade in program to get cash for my old Series 2.
 
Series "0"? It's series 1, isn't it? It didn't go from Series 0 to Series 2.

2015 - Apple introduced the first Apple Watch (S1 processor)
2016 - Apple introduced the Series 2.
- Series 1 was an upgraded 2015 Apple Watch with a new processor (S1P) and GPS.
- The original Apple Watch was renamed Series 0.
2017 - Series 3
2018 - Series 4
 
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Still not sure what this means, supply v sales, but my original shipping dates were Oct. 5th to 12th. I just received the shipping notice today, 10 days early! It'll be here on Monday.

Ordered 44mm, SS SB. Upgrading from original (Series 0) 42mm SS/SB w/ SB bracelet. SO happy they maintained band compatibility!

Edit: FedEx origin scan was from Taiwan. It’s now in Shanghai. It seems like they’ve already started using Compal.
 
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The point of Apple Watch is keep or gain people in the iPhone ecosystem. Apple's intent is to make sure you don't buy the dumb looking Fitbits either. Those guys are getting much more behind because they can't integrate as much as iPhone can.

Obviously you can buy the non-watch face, band ones for cheaper than an Apple Watch, and you see many iPhone users have those. That's a segment Apple would like to convert over too. The holdouts.

There is a reason iMessage isn't usable on the web or another device, because there is the integration with Apple products and Macs. That's a good Mac feature when you don't ever have to pick up your iPhone while working to chat with people you want. So to hear oh they should add iMessage to Android. Umm no.


That sounds like the most un-Apple thing that they could possibly do.

yeah, fat chance they will ever let those important things go to Android.

Apple Music makes sense because it is a subscription service.
 
For $800 dollars i would rather have them bring back the more durable ceramic model.

I don’t know that the ceramic is any more ‘durable’ than the stainless, it’s just more resistance of scratches. The regular stainless did scratch easier, but the scratches could be removed with a polishing cloth. The Ceramic is also a bit lighter than the stainless as well. However, the black stainless offers the DLC coating, which is almost impervious to scratches. So I think the trade-off is there with the stainless really is fairly durable, which is still significantly cheaper than the Ceramic when it was offered for the Series 3, if someone can accept the weight difference with the stainless.
 
So, if you were faced with the high probability of huge import tariffs on the goods you manufacture in the People's Republic of China in the near future, what would you do? Transfer production to the Republic of China naturally!
 
So, if you were faced with the high probability of huge import tariffs on the goods you manufacture in the People's Republic of China in the near future, what would you do? Transfer production to the Republic of China naturally!

Thought Apple was exempt from the tariffs. That's what I read the other day here anyway. It may become a problem later for iPhones but as it stands Airpods etc. aren't impacted.
 
I was in the store today and looked at the new watch, it really is impressive. I just bought a series three for use in another country so I'll need to wait a bit but its definitely on my list.
 
I have an S3, probably will never upgrade. 200$ more, on a product that was expensive to start with, for no real benefit seems a little bit of a stretch by apple.

I can buy a 128gb ipad for cheaper than the watch
 
This is great to see.

Boy would they sell a ton more if they pulled an iPod and offered it on Android (which really doesn't have a good watch CPU), course that would require Apple Pay, iMessage etc. to be ported as well (a big job....but lay the foundation to lift a huge group of people over to Apple eventually).

If the Apple Watch experience for android is going to be anything like iTunes on windows, I would rather Apple just devote their resources towards making the Apple Watch experience the best there is for ios. Steve Jobs reportedly hated the idea of iTunes for windows; he did it only because it was a necessity if Apple was to survive. The Apple of today is under no such threat.

I do believe the Apple Watch will eventually gain independence from the iPhone though. That might be when android users can use one in addition to their android smartphone, but I agree that if you aren’t balls see in the Apple ecosystem, it doesn’t really seem worth it.
 
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Not getting a new watch till FaceTime Camera (or maybe Watch Series 7), the Watch 4 is LEGIT!!! This thing is so fast it'll make your head spin, coming from a Series 2!! GEES
 
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Just being able to get the watch to play nice with all the different versions of Android would be a huge technical undertaking. Troubleshooting would be a nightmare.
Even the Samsung Gear smartwatches require a Galaxy phone. Apple wouldn't be brave (or dumb) enough to claim something along the lines of "now works with Android!" :)
Thats a strawman argument. Apple gets iTunes and Safari to work on multiple OSs.
Look at netflix and every other large company out there, they all get their software to work with every OS and every device. If a small company like netflix (compared to the resources of Apple) can do it Apple can do it too.

I'm also a developer and there is no technical reason for Apple not to allow the Watch to be connected to from multiple devices or OSs, its just an API. It doesn't have to play nice with multiple version of android. The watch is self sufficient and doesn't need a companion device. Or are you saying the Apple watch relies on the iPhone for all its features to work.
 
Thats a strawman argument. Apple gets iTunes and Safari to work on multiple OSs.
Look at netflix and every other large company out there, they all get their software to work with every OS and every device. If a small company like netflix (compared to the resources of Apple) can do it Apple can do it too.

I'm also a developer and there is no technical reason for Apple not to allow the Watch to be connected to from multiple devices or OSs, its just an API. It doesn't have to play nice with multiple version of android. The watch is self sufficient and doesn't need a companion device. Or are you saying the Apple watch relies on the iPhone for all its features to work.
It’s exclusive to Apple devices, not unlike iMessage. Apple has no interest in having the Watch work with Android devices. If someone wants an Apple Watch, they’ll have to buy an iPhone. Apple uses it to encourage iPhone sales, not Android sales. Unavailable to Android users, simple as that.
 
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I don’t have an Apple Watch, just an iPhone. Whenever I try to think of scenarios where the Watch would be really useful I come up blank. I always like to have my phone with me anyway, so it’s hard to justify carrying both. The health features are interesting but as you said ECG isnt even available yet, and since I’m generally healthy I wonder if constantly monitoring things would actually just make me more paranoid.

Ι think once such devices (with more and more health sensors), become more and more widely available, people will become even more paranoid with their health monitoring. Apple Watch will be just one of such devices. I bet there will be a new psychological disease by then and people consulting psychologists and clinics because of this... just wait and see...
 
It’s exclusive to Apple devices, not unlike iMessage. Apple has no interest in having the Watch work with Android devices. If someone wants an Apple Watch, they’ll have to buy an iPhone. Apple uses it to encourage iPhone sales, not Android sales. Unavailable to Android users, simple as that.
Thats what Apple said about the iPod. If you want an iPod, you need to buy a Mac and sales didn't take off until it was available on windows.
 
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Thats what Apple said about the iPod. If you want an iPod, you need to buy a Mac and sales didn't take off until it was available on windows.
Sales have already taken off. If Apple wants to support the Watch on Android in the future they will, but I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. iPhone dominates the upscale phone market, and those are the customers likely to drop $500 on a Watch.
 
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Sales have already taken off. If Apple wants to support the Watch on Android in the future they will, but I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. iPhone dominates the upscale phone market, and those are the customers likely to drop $500 on a Watch.
Taken off is all relative...
 
Thats a strawman argument. Apple gets iTunes and Safari to work on multiple OSs.
Look at netflix and every other large company out there, they all get their software to work with every OS and every device. If a small company like netflix (compared to the resources of Apple) can do it Apple can do it too.

I'm also a developer and there is no technical reason for Apple not to allow the Watch to be connected to from multiple devices or OSs, its just an API. It doesn't have to play nice with multiple version of android. The watch is self sufficient and doesn't need a companion device. Or are you saying the Apple watch relies on the iPhone for all its features to work.

There are too many reasons from a business and technical perspective for why Apple does not support cross platform capabilities for their hardware.

Their first party software is atrocious on anything outside of their ecosystem. Their devs can’t write decent 1st party software outside of MacOS/iOS. How can you trust they are going to have decent APIs?
 
Thought Apple was exempt from the tariffs. That's what I read the other day here anyway. It may become a problem later for iPhones but as it stands Airpods etc. aren't impacted.
They are currently exempt but with most Chinese goods now covered there’s a real risk they’d be caught up in any future increase in tariffs. It makes sense to mitigate such risks now by transferring producton to one of many other countries that are not on this week’s bogeyman list.
 
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There are too many reasons from a business and technical perspective for why Apple does not support cross platform capabilities for their hardware.

Their first party software is atrocious on anything outside of their ecosystem. Their devs can’t write decent 1st party software outside of MacOS/iOS. How can you trust they are going to have decent APIs?

You seem to suggest in your first statement that they don't support other OSs for their hardware (which they do).
Then suggest that they do support other OSs.

How can you trust they are going to have decent APIs?

All an API is is a specification. Apple doesn't have to write the implementation of the API on other OSs.
Also if you take for instance that the watch was like a webserver, it would be easy for any device to interact with the watch.
 
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