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Well, if you have the iOS 5 beta, that means you are a developer. I haven't tried this, as I haven't played with the beta or anything, but I would assume based on this article that in the app you are programming you create a text window with the keyboard set to Dvorak.

Apart from the fact that Dvorak isn't in the list on keyboards in Beta 5
 
I wouldn't mind a Dvorak option for a soft keyboard. However, Apple would have to spend a lot of type making autocorrect work properly, so I'm not holding my breath.
I would really like a soft Dvorak keyboard too, especially on the iPad. Much more than I want a speech recognition feature in fact :p.

However, I also don't think they'll do it - apart from the autocorrect problems you mention (which maybe could be fixed with some smart algorithms?) the "active area" of the keyboard is a different shape; QWERTY has an easy 10-9-7 distribution of the letters, whereas Dvorak needs 7-10-9. Not impossible to overcome, but probably not worth the effort with so few Dvorak users...

#2 is debatable. It's really not about speed, but rather the comfort that comes with using the home row much more often than with QWERTY. By quitting QWERTY cold turkey, I picked up Dvorak in about 2 months (i.e. getting roughly back to my old speed). Combined with an ergonomic keyboard, it makes a huge difference.
Exactly - I'm pretty sure I'm no faster than I was with QWERTY, but it's so much more comfortable to type on.
 
It's about time they finally copied all these features from Android. I wonder if they held off because they didn't want it to look like they copied from anyone else. I say, who cares! If there is something good already out there, copy it!

Ideas can be freely copied, just not the tech behind them. Apple copies ideas and admits this freely. Unlike other groups that copy the tech and then try to hide behind the notion that everything should be free

Besides everyone KNOWS that Apple thought of this first and Eric just stole the idea when he was on the Board and got it out first.

This hiding kind of sucks and it's all due to developers who leak info from the private beta. I wish Apple could seriously go after every single one that leaks these things. You signed an NDA, for god's sake :(

Unfortunately Apple needs the developers and they would lose quite a few if they went after the leaks. That is if they can even prove in all or even most cases who it was.


If this functions well inside text messages, it will certainly make the roads safer, due to the whole texting while driving epidemic (which I admit I've been guilty of).

You know what would make the roads even safer. Putting your freaking phone away and paying attention to the road. There's almost no one and no reason to be on your phone when you are driving other than just wanting to be a douche who is doing it because he can.


Thank you! So many complaints/ideas/comments but no one bothers to send feedback to the people that actually cares. ;)


Then don't send it to Apple. They don't care. At least not as much as folks want to think they do. They don't design by research group or feedback, particularly about rumored features.

Send it if you think it will make you feel better but don't expect actual results


How do I get the button there on my keyboard? I know it's not functional but for Gd sakes, someone please answer

Given that this is an alleged iOS 5 feature, the first step is too wait for said software to be released. Second step is to upgrade your whatever to iOS 5. Then go from there
 
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I think it's pretty obvious... This is going to be a huge feature pushed with iPhone 5. Adding a dedicated "voice" button to the side of the phone...
 
Agree

This was the top reason for me to get an Android.
Woo

Apple creates the smart phone but waits till now to 'potentially' add it to an unreleased iOS?

With the flood of states/provinces banning the hand held use of cell phones, voice integration is probably one of the bigger items required in a phone

I already know of a real estate agent (who is always on a phone) switch from iPhone to android for this 'single' reason.
 
cool feature, but seems like a terrible place to put that button. I can just see myself accidentally tapping it every other time I go for the space bar.
 
For you delusional Android fanboys:

There's a difference between "speech recognition" from whomever - and SR from Nuance, the leader in the technology.

Most speech recognition people encounter have their strength in common commands and words, etc... in context.

Nuance is fluent in the entire language.

And, there's a difference between having a feature and having a feature that works well.

And why in the world would anyone want a phone from an advertising company whose existence depends on violating your privacy?
 
Apple creates the smart phone but waits till now to 'potentially' add it to an unreleased iOS?

With the flood of states/provinces banning the hand held use of cell phones, voice integration is probably one of the bigger items required in a phone

I already know of a real estate agent (who is always on a phone) switch from iPhone to android for this 'single' reason.

You should not be "texting" and driving, period. Even if it's with an aid like SR. People still look at the phone to read to verify what they wrote, etc.

Talk on the speaker phone or pull the eff over.

As far as SR for purposes like search, that exists on the iPhone, you and your agent just don't know it.
 
I tried Dragon on the iPod and this has great promise. It will be useful on an iPod. Can't wait.
 
You should not be "texting" and driving, period. Even if it's with an aid like SR. People still look at the phone to read to verify what they wrote, etc.

Talk on the speaker phone or pull the eff over.

As far as SR for purposes like search, that exists on the iPhone, you and your agent just don't know it.

Distracted driving is STILL distracted driving, talking/speaking using any method or typing on a keyboard. That is the greatest reason NOT to use the phone while driving.
 
Let me translate:

"iOS is just getting speech recognition? Android has had this for forever."

Android has had it forever...and it sucked. I tried using it on a Nexus phone over and over again and it never worked. Dragon (Nuance) works much better. So I have higher hopes for iOS's implementation.
 
What do you mean no. It is so pointless to have a talk to text someone. That is why it is call TEXTING!!!! Are you just that lazy not to call the person if your going to waste the energy to speak?

People go to jail for not interpreting "No" as no.

In all seriousness though, I wouldn't use this feature, but I have a friend that would. His motor skills aren't that great, so he has issues with a full-size keyboard, never mind a tiny on-screen one... My only concern is if the microphone button is big enough for him...
 
I think that the speech button should hide, making more room for the space bar, the moment the user begins typing. Otherwise, there most definitely will be issues.
 
I think that the speech button should hide, making more room for the space bar, the moment the user begins typing. Otherwise, there most definitely will be issues.

Why? Millions of folks deal with the international keyboard button now without any problem.
 
I think that the speech button should hide, making more room for the space bar, the moment the user begins typing. Otherwise, there most definitely will be issues.

wow, people are so resistant to a little change! the space bar doesn't shrink too much!! people will get used to it and will forget all about it.
 
There's a difference between "speech recognition" from whomever - and SR from Nuance, the leader in the technology.

Most speech recognition people encounter have their strength in common commands and words, etc... in context.

Nuance is fluent in the entire language.

And, there's a difference between having a feature and having a feature that works well.

And why in the world would anyone want a phone from an advertising company whose existence depends on violating your privacy?

Never used the SR on Android then huh? It works PHENOMENALLY WELL. I use it for almost all of my google searches and Nav address searches, and it's probably dead-on 99% of the time.
 
There's a difference between "speech recognition" from whomever - and SR from Nuance, the leader in the technology.

Most speech recognition people encounter have their strength in common commands and words, etc... in context.

Nuance is fluent in the entire language.

And, there's a difference between having a feature and having a feature that works well.

And why in the world would anyone want a phone from an advertising company whose existence depends on violating your privacy?

You call someone else a fanboy and then spout off a load of false garbage? Android speech recognition is excellent, when I had it (around a year ago) it had no trouble understanding me perfectly.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0C-b6rjQs

An that last sentence...wow. Just wow. :eek:
 
Leo Laporte is always going on and on about how speech recognition/dictation built into the OS on Android devices are a killer feature. It will be interesting what special sauce Apple bakes into their implementation. As someone with an Android phone that doesn't use the feature, maybe Apple's execution will give me more incentive.

Excited to see what they have up their sleeve come the iOS 5 rollout.
 
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boss.king said:
There's a difference between "speech recognition" from whomever - and SR from Nuance, the leader in the technology.

Most speech recognition people encounter have their strength in common commands and words, etc... in context.

Nuance is fluent in the entire language.

And, there's a difference between having a feature and having a feature that works well.

And why in the world would anyone want a phone from an advertising company whose existence depends on violating your privacy?

You call someone else a fanboy and then spout off a load of false garbage? Android speech recognition is excellent, when I had it (around a year ago) it had no trouble understanding me perfectly.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0C-b6rjQs

An that last sentence...wow. Just wow. :eek:

Thats pretty cool, no wonder Apple wants to implement that! :)
 
This hiding kind of sucks and it's all due to developers who leak info from the private beta. I wish Apple could seriously go after every single one that leaks these things. You signed an NDA, for god's sake :(

In my opinion, I'd say that Apple actually enjoys these "leaks." I recently read an article (I forget whether it was by AP or Reuters) that detailed how Apple systematically leaked their rumors. It was almost always decided from higher up, perhaps SJ himself, and they'd have an employee call a friend (who just happens to be working at a media outlet) and tell them about the rumor.

But that's of course a problem in itself since the entire article was based on a... leak. lol.

But it does open up the possibility that some of these rumors and leaks we hear about are done by Apple itself, on purpose and systematically. For example, I'm willing to bet money that whoever leaked that iPhone 5 won't be releasing at the June conference and instead at a later time (Sept) was started from inside Apple itself.

So there's no need to worry... if Apple went behind these "leakers," they'd often be going after themselves.
 
Hopefully this means that we get this awsome speech recognition, mabey they will let us test it in the next beta. Also if they hid ths let's hope we get a better Maps app with turn by turn, because I'm not paying a million dollars for a separate app.
 
So they are doing like they have been doing with the define option. Putting option in the second beta but had no use. Put it in the forth beta and it was actually functional but removed it for the fifth beta it seems now.


Either way it will still be a great feature. Won't be used by me much cause I like to keep my text private and not bothering people around me having to hear me talking at my phone.
 
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