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Apple Will Reduce iPhone 7 Production By 10% in Early 2017 Due to 'Sluggish' Sales
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Exactly. I have no desire to chase technology, just for the sake of having the latest. Especially when it offers nothing new that I really care about. We are starting to see this in the DSLR industry. People are tired of chasin Megapixels, when their current camera serves them quite well and satisfies their needs.
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I think it really comes down to a lack of novelty. Most people loving having new things, just for the fact that they are new and fancy. They offer excitement and maybe also interest from other people. The iPhone 7 looks just like the older iPhones, mostly work just like the older iPhones and just doesn't seem overly exciting to own.
It doesn't even really have a gimmicky feature like the 6S had with 3D touch.
The iPhone 7 is a very good phone and handles almost everything you need it to do exceptionally well. I have had no negative experiences or problems with it whatsoever. But it also doesn't excite me like previous models did. I remember getting the 4, 5 and 6 and each time I always felt a little bit excited whenever I used it for weeks after buying it. Nothing like that with the 7.
I kind of agree. I don't chase technology, I buy when the need arises.
My informal observation is the number of 7+ I see out in the wild seems to paint a different picture than what I read here. People seem to be buying the 7+ more than the 7 and they seem to be all over the place.
I did buy another DSLR body and lens last year, because I wanted to replace one of my older bodies with one with more megapixels. So maybe I'm not tired of chasing megapixels.
Apple didn't invent the AirPods then?
Saying Apple only improvised on what he invented doesn't make sense. Do you mean they improved?
All the different criticisms of Apple don't add up to a conclusive picture. One argument is Tim Cook cares only about profit - but he allowed a controversial MacBook Pro release and hasn't released a MacBook Air with retina display, which would arguably sell a ton.
Another criticism is that the current Apple lacks any vision. Yet when Apple execs say, repeatedly "we have a vision for the Mac, and a touch screen is not a part of that vision" the response is "No, you should do what the competition is doing - copy Microsoft."
Or better yet, Apple laying out it's vision for headphones: "we believe in a wireless future" - yet people are up in arms saying Apple should have left the headphone jack in so they could have sold more phones. But hold on, I thought Tim Cook chasing sales at the expense of a grand vision for the company was exactly what you didn't want?
How about the critics moaning "The iPhone 7 isn't selling nearly as well as well as the iPhone 6" - Wasn't the consensus that the iPhone 6 sold so well because of pent-up demand for an iPhone with a larger screen? Yet wasn't Apple criticised at the time for "copying the competition" and doing something which Steve Jobs would never have done?
Do you think something like Apple Music is totally anti-Jobs? I think you need to look back at AllThingsD - there is an interview where Steve says Apple would start a music streaming service if they thought that's what customers wanted and were willing to pay for.
Do you think Steve so wanted Apple to be successful after he left that he would create Apple University yet forget to hire "A players" (as he called them) who could invent things on their own?
There is this crazy idea that Steve Jobs' unique role at Apple was what they labeled "CEO" and now he's gone Tim Cook has to be the New Steve Jobs. As was said on DaringFireball's podcast: If you went back to 2008 and told someone who didn't know about Apple what Tim Cook's day to day responsibilities were, and asked them to guess his role, they would have said "he's a CEO". When Steve left, that role was formalised.
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This is my favourite post here! So sick of the Apple haters, it's nice when someone like yourself digs up a buttload of truth to shut them up.
I hear you. I still like the 4s phone. I'm still using film cameras. Even for professional work. I don't care if someone upgrades with every new model. That's their business. It's just not my style.
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A big troll tactic is to get the word "trolling" in first, it's quite unfortunate as it intends to dismiss others entirely.
It works for you; that's great. The iPhone 7 is a pretty neat device I think, I mean minus headphone issue. What concerns people I guess, is that it's a small step forward and more like an iPhone 6SS. Funnily enough I remember reading an article about how the new-upgrade cycle was changing to a 3-year plan instead, and I thought the iPhone 7, when announced, was infact a 6SS. When they called it a "7" after the near identical form factor and slightly short feature list I had to laugh. I can only imagine that's why they're lowering expectations; it simply isn't enough. I'm in the same boat. I could afford one but I don't see the value in it over the 6S aside from the excellent water resistance feature.
Let's hope they skip the 7S and jump right to an 8 with a new form factor, and some really gripping new features. Something that makes it a clear market leader once again.
This ^. I'm still liking my iPhone 6. It still functions as good as it did when I bought it and does everything I need. There is more to life than a new Phone every year.
I agree. I was fine with my 4s. I'm now on the 5 and have passed the 4s on to someone else.
You are correct, of course. Apple always cuts production at this time each year.
As you said, that should not be a surprise to anyone.
At the same time, this post can be correct as well.
If so, the real news is not about an expected reduction, but that the remaining production will supposedly end up even less than last year. Which suggests that demand is less than expected, perhaps due to the design being too iterative.
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I do think the difficulty of finding the 7+ in stores didn't help. If they don't have the units produced, they can't sell them. So slower than forecasted may also be due to a potential error/lack of materials causing demand to outweigh supply.
I still think the removal of the headphone jack and same recycled design is to blame. They removed the 3.5 jack which is a universal standard on a globally launched phone, regardless if its the future or not or even if a dongle is included, many people just aren't ready to give that up. (That's not even getting into the pros/cons of BT vs Wired)
I think it's part of it.
My teen daughter and her friends avoid the iPhone 7 specifically because of the lack of a headphone jack.
It has something to do with not having to carry a dongle, or recharge earpieces, and something about using their current favorite wired headsets with both their iPhones and their MacBooks.
Why not provide discounts through carriers to increase sales? Removing headphone jack is the real deal breaker for me. I would prefer 6s over 7 for the sole reason of having the headphone jack.
No suprise since the removal of 3.5mm audio and addition of gimmicks in iPhone 7 series don't justify the exorbitant premium over a $50-100 Huawei phone. Consumers have gotten smarter and expect better.
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I would gladly pay $100 more for an iPhone. I know I'm getting a reliable device, excellent support and resale value. The headphone jack is a non-issue.
So then tell me a device like an iPhone which existed prior to 2007 and does everything an iPhone does and has an App Store
iPhone 4 was when the iPhone really got going and it was the first time Apple had experimented with the metal design. No one had ever designed such a phone before so its obvious some kinks had to be worked out.Now had he copied the competition (by increasing the screen size) and then come up with a gate issue that would be much more embarrassing
Maps was a bad decision and even now Google Maps demolishes it in accuracy and worldwide support but in the grand scheme of things it didn't matter much as Apple is primarily a hardware company. Even now I find iCloud and almost all of Apple's services inferior to their counterparts which is why my iPhone is full of Microsoft and Google apps.Heck Microsoft Wordflow blows the doors of Apple's stock keyboard
Where did I say Timmy invented nothing
The behemoth smartphone and tablet industry that we know today wouldn't have existed without Jobs.If Timmy were in charge we would likely be stuck this
Apple Pay is not nearly as supported as Samsung Pay.Easily verified through a Google search
He chose Tim Cook because of his experience running Apple.He does an excellent job at numbers but he does not have a vision to innovate or invent.He did make a slight misstep there
You could say that for any of the AirPods alternatives.There are tons of options for the AirPods on the market.What unique feature does it have apart from W1 which may be rendered obsolete by Bluetooth 5.0
iPhone sales have consecutively declined for the second quarter in a row. iPad sales continue to drop. Apple's operating margin is at its lowest in 7 years
Higher revenue from services of much higher gross margin products such as games, app downloads and Apple Music haven't been enough to compensate for the erosion of iPhone profitability which is the bottom line.
The difference being Steve Jobs actually came up with ways to silence his critics.iPhone,iPad,iPod and Mac.4 solid product lines.All smashing records.Tim Cook has yet to come up with 1.
The most embarrassing part being that Tim's only product line that he can be credited with which is the Apple Watch is projected to earn lesser revenue than the AirPods which is an accessory to the iPhone
I7Guy refuses to acknowledge Steve's contributions and is placing Tim Cook on the same level as Jobs
Often its the people who are the hardest to work with are the ones which are the true assets of the company.Steve Jobs is notorious for being a hard person to work with and yet he was the one who came out with the company's cash cows. We owe the foundation of the current iOS to Forstall. Say what you want about him but from what I read his software releases had far fewer bugs than the iOS we know today
They did but its just another Bluetooth headphone.The moment Bluetooth 5 headphones come onto the market I don't understand the hype about AirPods.
Yes.They worked out the kinks,made the products nicer and overall better.But the haven't come out with a brand new category which is a smash hit like the iPhone.Steve Jobs brought out iPod in 2001.The iPhone in 2007 and iPad in 2010 and all of these will go down in history as revolutionary.Its been 6 years since Jobs died and we have a Watch for which Apple refuses to disclose sales figures,a battery case,and an improvised iPad which is basically an answer to the Microsoft Surface Pro which they themselves had mocked Microsoft for developing
He doesn't release or update MacBooks as often as they don't make as much to Apple like the iPad or iPhone.The same amount of enginerring and resources put into the iPad and iPhone will yield much better profits and make financial sense.
Tim Cook prioritises product lines based on profits.The iPad is still stuck on Touch ID 1 from 2014 and still doesn't have 3d touch.The MacBook Air looks like a downright embarassement compared to competing Windows laptops.I have both an XPS 13 and the MBA which Apple currently sells and my MBA feels like a Windows laptop from years ago.The display is still around 900P while my XPS 13 is on 1080P and lasts just as long as the MBA and is also much faster to boot.Apple should just put the Mac line out of its misery .It no longer competes
The only respect in which Apple IS ahead of the competition in some ways is the iPhone.Its a solid well built device and the fastest on the planet and also has the best App Store on the planet
This is the current status of the Mac AND the only "Buy" you see on this list got the first ever "Don't buy" recommendation from Consumer reports , an independent testing company.Is this part of the vision I keep hearing about.Keep myself plugged to the wall for more time?
We have been hearing about this vision and Tim's product lines for years and when the competition comes out with outstanding computers like the Surface Studio and Razer Blade laptops ,his assurances become harder and harder to believe.I believe this article states a lot about Apple's vision of the Mac as it is inside the company and it makes the Mac look like a mere after thought
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists
On a sidenote,you cant even connect the Mac to the iPhone without a dongle and the former still has a headphone jack despite Apple's wireless vision .This is how much Mac iis disconnected from the rest of Apple' lineup
Why do people keep bringing up this wireless future excuse. It was perfectly possible to use wireless headphones on a 6S.Now you are forcing me to dump my perfectly usable set of headphones to get the AirPods which weren't even released on time.
The reason he removed the jack was to create another revenue generator I the form of AirPods.The AirPods are expected to generate more revenue than the Apple WatchTim Cook believes the revenue and profits generated from Apple's wireless headphones will more than compensate for the loss in sales due to no jack.And lets be realistic here,this removal is hardly going to dent sales.Apple is a closed garden and its hard to switch to another platform.People will eventually adapt and move on and Apple will make even more short term profits
Steve Jobs wouldn't have increased the screen size but he would no doubt have come up with another smashing product category to surprise us all.
I have nothing against Apple Music but I don't think its ever going to catch up with actual product lines like iPhone in terms of profits.Its just a way to insulate Apple if the other hardware categories start nosediving
Steve Jobs cant transfer his innovative persona to someone else unfortunately so he did the best he could in the circumstances he was in.People like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are hard to come by . Tim Cook is the Steve Ballmer of Apple.No vision but doing an excellent job at growing the company in the short term but for the long term Apple needs another Jobs to save it and fast
The minor difference being the reports of the iPhone 6s and forward were actually corroborated by declining sales and therefore aren't wrong
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And google maps sucked before Apple replaced it with their own maps app. Even if you don't use Apple Maps, you still have to credit Apple with forcing Google's hand and getting them to release a proper, optimized maps app for iOS.
Same goes with all of Apple's stock apps and services. Even if you don't use them, they are there to ensure a minimum degree of standard with which to hold other apps to. If other developers try to play punk with Apple, there's at least their stock apps to fall back, rather than be left out in the cold.
Myself, I use Apple Maps exclusively and it's working fine for me. I remember the days of my iPhone 4s and how Google had the temerity to try and hold Apple hostage by nerfing their maps app on the iPhone.
Dare to screw around with Apple, Google, you screw around with me.
Such as? Which other options out there have the ease of pairing and switching as the airpods?
Plus, I find that Bluetooth often promises a lot but fails to deliver. I will believe the claims made by Bluetooth 5.0 when I see them.
Pre-iOS 7 was undeniably more stable and bug-free, but features were also being brought to it at a glacial pace. I will forever think of iOS 6 as Apple's lost year in mobile, as it brought practically nothing to the table.
iOS 7 - 10 have brought tons of new features to iOS, from a brand new redesign to extensions to widgets, which has allowed iOS to maintain some degree of feature parity compared to Android. And if all this was possibly only with Scott Forstall gone, then we know where the real problem is. And I feel the added functionality is well worth a few bugs here and there.
Will be even bigger of a no deal when Samsung remove theirs next month
Slightly older iPhones still do a great job (I use a 5s) . Keeping up with the Jones's is wearing thin, not everyone wants to keep spending on the same thing over again
Not the iphone 1. And I believe jobs copies the app store concept.
Seems like unneeded defense of jobs. For a "perfect" CEO, this was such an easy issue to fix. How was this missed?
Thread after thread. Should I post the links?
That's supposition.
So now google is the authortative source for who supports apple pay. Then I will ask you "prove" it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Bingo.
This can be said for any product these days. It's such a generalization as to be meaningless.
Is this more "apple is doomed". It's still the biggest conglomerate in the world.
Making $75B a quarter for almost any company is not sustainable, so of course revenue is going to go down with peaks and valleys.
iphone 5s, iphone 6 etc.
Reminder here, Timmy took Apple to the most valuable company. No small feat. Something jobs couldn't have done, due to his shortsightedness on the form factor.
Radon87000 refuses to acknowledge Tim's contribution and diminishes all.
Sure a far simpler operating system and eco-system environment. By that logic, iphone 1 also had less bugs than iphone 4.
You don't have to understand it. The people who have been buying this product are speaking with their dollars.
So he's doing exactly what he's paid to do. Prioritize the companies resources.
Agreed, the hardware and software is solid.
So what?
That could have been a total flop.
Or it could be the biggest money-maker ever.
Apple could have crumbled under Steve Jobs in 2016. Apple needs a Ballmer right now. There was a reason Ballmer led Microsoft.
The 6S was pretty much a block-blockbuster with fiscal 2015 apples revenues were $234 billion.
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In my opinion, since I'm the consumer. Apple has the best support for all phone manufacturers in the US.
