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Does anyone else think this is less about the iPhone 7 sucking and more about the end of subsidies for smartphones? If you were use to paying 80ish bucks a month and yr bill went up $25 a month, you might be like, this iPhone 6 still works fine.

I think this is a big part. In Canada subsidies are more or less gone and I have been with android for the past 3 or 4 years. On Black Friday I was able to pick up 2 iPhone SE's for around 10$ each unsubsidized, if I did not luck out on this I would not have gone back to iPhone.
 
Water resistance.

Perfectly possible to make a resistant headphone jack. That's a red herring.

The issue is that Jony Ive is a mashup of a fashion designer, a hospital chef, and Henry Ford. You can have anything you want as long as it's thin, bland and has no options.
 
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$A5k on headphones? I only dropped a few £ hundred on mine and would never dream of pairing them with such mediocre audio devices as smartphones, Apple included. What would be the point apart from showing up their shortcomings?

Did you read the part where I mentioned 'for convenience'? Most of the time I listen through my AK240 but there are plenty of times where it's easier to listen via my iPhone when I need to browse the Internet or get work done on my phone.
 
These negative Apple articles are getting ridiculous. The other day the headline was "
Apple Tops Holiday Sales With 44% of All New Device Activations" and now 3 days later the headline is "
Apple Will Reduce iPhone 7 Production By 10% in Early 2017 Due to 'Sluggish' Sales" of course they would reduce production after the Christmas holidays. That makes perfect sense. Find me a company that doesn't reduce production in the first quarter and I will show you a company that doesn't sell very much.

Those aren't exactly contradictory. The previous generation tends to be deeply discounted around the holidays. It could very easily be true that iPhone 7 sales are sluggish even though iPhone 6s sales are seeing a solid holiday sales bump.


As I said, I personally believe wireless is the future. I've love to see if I'm right in a few years. Right now, we are going through a transition to wireless. 2016 was all about laying the groundwork for whats to come in the future.

As somebody who has repeatedly tried and discarded wireless headphones over the past two decades, I would argue that wireless is the past, not the future. Who wants to have to worry about whether their headphones are charged just to be able to listen to something?

I mean, intellectually I understand why some people might prefer to not have wires, in much the same way as I understand why some people like to have cars without a roof. I still wouldn't drive a convertible unless I can put the top up when it rains. :)


Yet another click bait for trolls on MR
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iPhone 7 comes with tiny lightning adaptor so you can use whatever headphones you have and have you heard about wireless?

You know how the best camera is the one you have with you? Same goes for the best headphone adapter. The best headphone adapter for the iPhone 7, then, is my iPhone 6s.


The jack was removed to make room for the Taptic engine, not so they can make it thinner.

The iPhone 6s had a Taptic engine. The jack was removed so that it can buzz in more ways. Yay.


Except this is fake news, I don't think this hurt them at all, besides the pluses outweigh the minuses.

Plusses? You mean the silly camera tricks to make people think it's a real camera or the new buzzing modes? I mean, if they had at least moved to OLED, that would be a meaningful improvement....
 
As somebody who has repeatedly tried and discarded wireless headphones over the past two decades, I would argue that wireless is the past, not the future. Who wants to have to worry about whether their headphones are charged just to be able to listen to something?

I mean, intellectually I understand why some people might prefer to not have wires, in much the same way as I understand why some people like to have cars without a roof. I still wouldn't drive a convertible unless I can put the top up when it rains. :)
So you must really hate the lack of a wired ethernet port on your iPhone right? :rolleyes:
Doesn't matter if we are talking about charging, network connectivity or headphones, wireless is the future, period. :cool:
 
So you must really hate the lack of a wired ethernet port on your iPhone right? :rolleyes:

Uh... no, because:
  • Headphones tether the device to the user, who is using the device anyway. Ethernet tethers the device needlessly to a wall.
  • Wireless headphones require a separate battery to be kept charged at all times. Wireless networking connects to a base station that is plugged into the wall.
  • Wired headphones have better sound quality and lower latency, both of which result in a better user experience for many people. Wireless networking is just slightly slower than wired, and is still probably orders of magnitude faster than the upstream anyway, which means there's effectively no difference 99.999% of the time.
The two are nothing alike.

With that said, you're on the right track with the comparison. If Apple removed the ability to back up my device over Lightning, I'd have a coronary.

Doesn't matter if we are talking about charging, network connectivity or headphones, wireless is the future, period. :cool:

Wireless charging? Eww. Gross.

Besides wasting a decent amount of power (with all the environmental impact thereof), the effective radiated power required to send 5–20 watts wirelessly focused on a small receiver antenna over a distance of more than a couple of millimeters poses a significant public health risk if it malfunctions (or, for that matter, if your hand gets between the transmitter and the receiver).

Wireless power might be the future for you, but it isn't the future for me. Saving two seconds per day isn't worth that much risk.
 
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Other than the 6s hit it out of the ballpark, I agree with you. Seriously the 6s was an awesome upgrade, how many years worth of upgrades into the future do you want in one release?

The 6S was an awesome update in my eyes - I saw it as one of those updates that seems a bit underwhelming at first until the software catches up - nothing really happened with Force Touch until iOS10 and still nothing really troubles the A9 chip. I think the 6S will be a great performer through iOS11 and probably through iOS12 too. It's more a case of the iPhone 7 being a completion of the 6S ethos rather than starting out on a new range as the iPhne 5 and 6 did.

I don't know, waterproofing was pretty dang awesome, I thought. Stereo sound....it's all about how all the refinements come together.

The iPhone 6S was already reported to be pretty waterproof - essentially Apple were testing it out without announcing it as a feature. My understanding is that the iPhone 7 doesn't have stereo sound - the second set of speaker grill holes don't have a speaker on the other side.
 
Use your brain.

You're asking a lot - This is macrunours. There are even moderators who post anti Apple ********.

I'm astounded at the negativity on Apple forums. I made a reasonable comment on 9to5Google and received reasonable replies. The amount of hate on apple forums is insane. If people don't like Apple you think they just wouldn't visit this site!
 
You're asking a lot - This is macrunours. There are even moderators who post anti Apple ********.

I'm astounded at the negativity on Apple forums. I made a reasonable comment on 9to5Google and received reasonable replies. The amount of hate on apple forums is insane. If people don't like Apple you think they just wouldn't visit this site!

Sometimes I hesitate to write anything because it's just so easy for people to want to argue. We're all just voicing our opinions, it's okay if we don't all think the same. Being attacked over saying things like "It's okay without the headphone jack" makes you kinda go "Woah" and wonder if they hate a product so much, why not just speak with the wallet?
 
My government protects us from being taken advantage of by multi-billion dollar corporations. I have no problem with that. Nor do I have a problem with the small, let's overestimate big and say 10% of total sales get returned. They would lose a small fraction of those profits that to refurbish the product and re-sell. I have no problem with that either; their margins more than make up for that, plus it's probably built into the cost anyway (knowing uncle Tim, et. al)

Condescending perhaps, but I used to work retail and yes, I am better than they are now.

Nonsense like needless returns is part of the reason everyone pays so much for electronics these days...

Those "multi-billion dollar corporations" you think you are sticking it to, just pass the cost on the the consumer...

So a lesson to everyone...
Don't be like this guy...
 
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Every year it's the same article and the same responses. The sales go down because the initial rush to buy a new iPhone is gone and now it's just normal sales and instead of taking that into account and well...history...people want to sensationalize everything and make it seem like Apple is doomed or some crap.

How many times do people have to read the same articles and leave the same responses? Use your brain. It's not from a lack of a headphone jack if the initial sales were more than ever before. It's not because of the same design. This article isn't just your personal excuse to vent at Apple and say "yep. That's why you suck"


I swear you said this last year
 
It's a great phone, but without a headphone jack. This is a critical omission for many, hence sluggish sales. Pretty simple.
 
People asked for moved antenna bands... moved bands, people still not happy.

I'm really happy they listened to the desire for jet black. The RAM upgrade and better camera were good incentives but I just wanted another 5c like phone in black.

Edit: it's okay that it's bigger. It is actually really light to be honest.
 
Those aren't exactly contradictory. The previous generation tends to be deeply discounted around the holidays. It could very easily be true that iPhone 7 sales are sluggish even though iPhone 6s sales are seeing a solid holiday sales bump.




As somebody who has repeatedly tried and discarded wireless headphones over the past two decades, I would argue that wireless is the past, not the future. Who wants to have to worry about whether their headphones are charged just to be able to listen to something?

I mean, intellectually I understand why some people might prefer to not have wires, in much the same way as I understand why some people like to have cars without a roof. I still wouldn't drive a convertible unless I can put the top up when it rains. :)




You know how the best camera is the one you have with you? Same goes for the best headphone adapter. The best headphone adapter for the iPhone 7, then, is my iPhone 6s.




The iPhone 6s had a Taptic engine. The jack was removed so that it can buzz in more ways. Yay.




Plusses? You mean the silly camera tricks to make people think it's a real camera or the new buzzing modes? I mean, if they had at least moved to OLED, that would be a meaningful improvement....
I would buy a new iPhone for camera improvements over an oled screen improvements. Their existing screens are top notch, the dual camera is an awesome leap forward in cell phone photography.
 
not surprising. i'm returning mine today. first iPhone in 6 years I have done so. I hate the elimination of the headphone jack.
Lol you had more than enough time to adjust yourself and there also is an adapter.
I'm sure you never owned an iPhone 7 or 7 plus.
 
Interesting. And predictable.

Apple pay offers nothing that a credit card doesn't, except extra steps.

Pay on card = touch on reader.
Pay using Apple pay = touch on reader and authorise using fingerprint.

Apple made no effort to truly push things forward. For example, if everyone that adopted Apple Pay could also have a Apple POS integration that meant my Apple Pay account also held digital copies of my receipts, guarantees and coupons, I'd see a reason to switch.

But as it stands, I just don't get why I should bother.
You don't have to touch the reader. If you're the type to use your phone to pay, and have it setup properly, it's fast. I'd rather use a credit card though. To me Samsung or android pay is no different. Exception, Apple Pay on website.
 
I'm astounded at the negativity on Apple forums.

I'm not - Cook has managed to alienate its most loyal customers. You know those that stuck with Apple's shenanigans no matter what and sold their products to those who didn't see where they were going. That's over and that is something Cook should be extremely worried about. It's really time for Cook to step down and to make space for someone who a) actually cares for more than shareholder value and b) appeals to those that kept the company going rather than p****** in their faces.
 
Lol you had more than enough time to adjust yourself and there also is an adapter.
I'm sure you never owned an iPhone 7 or 7 plus.
I own an iPhone 7 Plus and yes the adapter has annoyed me multiple times .I forgot mine multiple times and ended up buying 3 adapters.One for my home.Another in my bag.And one more in my jeans pocket.Even then I have to fiddle with the adapter and attach it to the phone and then plug my headphones into the adapter which is incredibly annoying on the road.The phone was clearly designed with Bluetooth headphones in mind to create a moneymaker which surpasses Apple Watch in revenue.However I spent close to 300 bucks on a good Bose headphone and I am not about to throw em away
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You're asking a lot - This is macrunours. There are even moderators who post anti Apple ********.

I'm astounded at the negativity on Apple forums. I made a reasonable comment on 9to5Google and received reasonable replies. The amount of hate on apple forums is insane. If people don't like Apple you think they just wouldn't visit this site!

Its not just the forums.Even the New York Post is blasting Apple

http://nypost.com/2016/12/30/tim-cooks-terrible-year-in-review/

Apple has fallen low ever since Tim took over and this is pretty much almost a unanimous opinion.Years from now we will be hearing on management syllabi how NOT to run the most valuable company in the world
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Interesting. And predictable.

Apple pay offers nothing that a credit card doesn't, except extra steps.

Pay on card = touch on reader.
Pay using Apple pay = touch on reader and authorise using fingerprint.

Apple made no effort to truly push things forward. For example, if everyone that adopted Apple Pay could also have a Apple POS integration that meant my Apple Pay account also held digital copies of my receipts, guarantees and coupons, I'd see a reason to switch.

But as it stands, I just don't get why I should bother.
I dont know why people even bother with credit cards.The convenience offered by mobile pay options is unparalleled.Now if Apple can actually set their house in order and try to at least compete with Samsung Pay,I am all set
 
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Tim Cook: 'Screw the Mac. We're selling shedloads of iPhone 7s!'

Assistant: 'Er, that's not strictly accurate, Sir...'
 
Tim Cook: 'Screw the Mac. We're selling shedloads of iPhone 7s!'

Assistant: 'Er, that's not strictly accurate, Sir...'
He doesnt care about the Mac the slightest.AMD graphics in a $2000 PC when AMD are known to be the budget options and NVIDIA Pascal absolutely wipes the floor with AMD's lineup in mobile.
 
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