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Plusses? You mean the silly camera tricks to make people think it's a real camera or the new buzzing modes? I mean, if they had at least moved to OLED, that would be a meaningful improvement....
The much faster A10 chip - not incrementally faster look up the tests. What's a real camera? No smartphone is a DSLR but the 7 plus in particular is again more than an incremental improvement. Water resistance is a huge thing, yes there are limitations (and no company will cover water damage that I know of just to get that out of the way). OLED would be good, but most tests who the current screen is one of the best LCD out there.

Woah, none of the haters acknowledged this post:

Apple Will Reduce iPhone 7 Production By 10% in Early 2017 Due to 'Sluggish' Sales

Say it all really.
 
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The 7 was a modest update at best.

That, combined with the high price and existing volume of iOS devices already sold, is why sales are sluggish.
 
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Ohh, I see. Can you show me evidence of this claim? Surely, claiming that the iPhone 7 isn't an impressive upgrade should be easy to quantify.

This article. Apple had to cut orders another (unexpected) 10% after already being conservative about their production amounts in the first place.

Obviously, the iPhone 7 sales aren't really sluggish at all compared to all other manufactures. But compared to the coutinous growth we saw the in the last 10 years, the iPhone 7 is pretty underwhelming.
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The much faster A10 chip - not incrementally faster look up the tests. What's a real camera? No smartphone is a DSLR but the 7 plus in particular is again more than an incremental improvement. Water resistance is a huge thing, yes there are limitations (and no company will cover water damage that I know of just to get that out of the way). OLED would be good, but most tests who the current screen is one of the best LCD out there.

Woah, none of the haters acknowledged this post:

Apple Will Reduce iPhone 7 Production By 10% in Early 2017 Due to 'Sluggish' Sales

Say it all really.

The A10 and the new camera (in the plus version) are indeed very impressive. I head the iPhone 7 is faster than almost all MacBook Air models.

The problem is: As it seems, most consumers don't care about the A10.
The 6S is already blazing fast. Even the 6 is pretty quick.
I recently exchanged my iPhone 6 work phone for a 7. An I still use a 6S as a personal phone. And I must say: I really can't tell a huge difference between any of the devices in daily use.
I have noticed that I use virtually none of the new features the 6S has over the 6. The same is true for the 7.
At the end of its life, the 6 sometimes seemed a little bit slow, but the 6S and the 7 really feel the same to me.

The camera is different. There are some people that can really appreciate the iPhone 7s new camera, but again, most people so know don't even ever look at 99.9% of their pictures on a screen much bigger than the iPhones.
 
I own an iPhone 7 Plus and yes the adapter has annoyed me multiple times .I forgot mine multiple times and ended up buying 3 adapters.One for my home.Another in my bag.And one more in my jeans pocket.Even then I have to fiddle with the adapter and attach it to the phone and then plug my headphones into the adapter which is incredibly annoying on the road.The phone was clearly designed with Bluetooth headphones in mind to create a moneymaker which surpasses Apple Watch in revenue.However I spent close to 300 bucks on a good Bose headphone and I am not about to throw em away
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Its not just the forums.Even the New York Post is blasting Apple

http://nypost.com/2016/12/30/tim-cooks-terrible-year-in-review/

Apple has fallen low ever since Tim took over and this is pretty much almost a unanimous opinion.Years from now we will be hearing on management syllabi how NOT to run the most valuable company in the world
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I dont know why people even bother with credit cards.The convenience offered by mobile pay options is unparalleled.Now if Apple can actually set their house in order and try to at least compete with Samsung Pay,I am all set

I genuinely don't know the difference between Apple and Samsung Pay - why is Samsung better?
 
This article. Apple had to cut orders another (unexpected) 10% after already being conservative about their production amounts in the first place.

Obviously, the iPhone 7 sales aren't really sluggish at all compared to all other manufactures. But compared to the coutinous growth we saw the in the last 10 years, the iPhone 7 is pretty underwhelming.

I agree with your other statements, but this article really isn't proof or evidence that production is being cut. It's a rumour at best.

Interestingly patently apple has refuted it http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...have-falsely-alarmed-seasoned-news-sites.html
 
I'm not - Cook has managed to alienate its most loyal customers. You know those that stuck with Apple's shenanigans no matter what and sold their products to those who didn't see where they were going. That's over and that is something Cook should be extremely worried about. It's really time for Cook to step down and to make space for someone who a) actually cares for more than shareholder value and b) appeals to those that kept the company going rather than p****** in their faces.

He doesn't just care about shareholder value:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ok-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares

But I think you'll believe whatever you want.
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Apple has fallen low ever since Tim took over and this is pretty much almost a unanimous opinion.

No it's not. You should read Daring Fireball or anything from Walt Mossberg.

You don't even know what you mean by "when Tim Cook took over". You mean when he was COO and essentially doing everything a CEO would do? Or when Steve Jobs stepped down in 2011? Or when he first took over as acting CEO during Jobs' medical leaves?
 
He doesn't just care about shareholder value:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ok-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares

But I think you'll believe whatever you want.
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No it's not. You should read Daring Fireball or anything from Walt Mossberg.

You don't even know what you mean by "when Tim Cook took over". You mean when he was COO and essentially doing everything a CEO would do? Or when Steve Jobs stepped down in 2011? Or when he first took over as acting CEO during Jobs' medical leaves?
Walt Mossberg and John Gruber are paid Apple marketers.The best compliment I can give them is that at least they are better than Rene Ritchie from iMore

I mean when Steve Jobs stepped down since 2011 and when the inertia from the Jobs era sputtered out after iPhone 6

I genuinely don't know the difference between Apple and Samsung Pay - why is Samsung better?
Samsung Pay is accepted nearly everywhere.Apple Pay isn't
 
The problem is: As it seems, most consumers don't care about the A10.
The 6S is already blazing fast. Even the 6 is pretty quick.
I recently exchanged my iPhone 6 work phone for a 7. An I still use a 6S as a personal phone. And I must say: I really can't tell a huge difference between any of the devices in daily use.
I have noticed that I use virtually none of the new features the 6S has over the 6. The same is true for the 7.
At the end of its life, the 6 sometimes seemed a little bit slow, but the 6S and the 7 really feel the same to me.

The camera is different. There are some people that can really appreciate the iPhone 7s new camera, but again, most people so know don't even ever look at 99.9% of their pictures on a screen much bigger than the iPhones.

Very well put. When I decided to come back the iPhone last fall I decided to save a bit of money and bought a 6s Plus over the 7 Plus. Honestly, for the light duty I put a phone through the 6s is more than adequate and I couldn't justify the extra $100 for the 7 since none of the new "features" were really of any interest to me plus I like having a build-in headphone jack. And while the camera on the 7 is a step up, if I'm serious about photographing something I'm not using my phone to do it. After about having the 6s for close to 3 months now I have no regrets in choosing it over the 7.
 
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No Tim Cook these numbers aren't a "runaway success". Everything isn't "just great". you're a wonderful bean counter nothing more. Please leave Apple in more capable hands.
 
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Samsung Pay is accepted nearly everywhere.Apple Pay isn't


I don't know anything about the acceptance of Samsung Pay BUT I do know that Apple Pay is accepted anywhere and everywhere that has contactless POS terminals (excepting those merchants who are having an ongoing battle with VISA in which case neither pay system is accepted.)
 
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To chime in, I love my 7, 256 GB mainly...but my 6s actually died so I needed a new one. I have been using a wireless headphone since my 6 and the headphone jack really doesn't effect me. If it wasn't for the dying 6s I would have waited for the 8.

I'm sure many are waiting since the 7 wasn't really an update, in my opinion.
 
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Walt Mossberg and John Gruber are paid Apple marketers.The best compliment I can give them is that at least they are better than Rene Ritchie from iMore

I mean when Steve Jobs stepped down since 2011 and when the inertia from the Jobs era sputtered out after iPhone 6


Samsung Pay is accepted nearly everywhere.Apple Pay isn't

That's crazy, you think the current Apple can't invent anything? That Steve Jobs was the only ideas man? Don't talk ****
 
My wife loves her 7 plus but then again she upgraded from a 5s so the differences were more substantial.

The people who tend to complain are those coming from 1 generation behind. I've never understood the desire to upgrade a phone every year other than the ability to show off that you have the "latest and greatest".

It's impossible for any company to keep releasing ground breaking advances year after year.
 
My wife loves her 7 plus but then again she upgraded from a 5s so the differences were more substantial.

The people who tend to complain are those coming from 1 generation behind. I've never understood the desire to upgrade a phone every year other than the ability to show off that you have the "latest and greatest".

It's impossible for any company to keep releasing ground breaking advances year after year.

I agree. Sometimes there will have to be incremental upgrades or stopgaps if you will. However, even coming from a 6s, I'm pretty happy. Would I have been as happy had I gone from 6s+ to 7+? Maybe not. However going from the 6s to 7+, it's made a world of difference in my eyes.

Especially after seeing this:

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Every year it's the same article and the same responses. The sales go down because the initial rush to buy a new iPhone is gone and now it's just normal sales and instead of taking that into account and well...history...people want to sensationalize everything and make it seem like Apple is doomed or some crap.

How many times do people have to read the same articles and leave the same responses? Use your brain. It's not from a lack of a headphone jack if the initial sales were more than ever before. It's not because of the same design. This article isn't just your personal excuse to vent at Apple and say "yep. That's why you suck"
Now you know talking logically won't win you any fans here on MR! You need to be either 1. dissing apple for what ever the complaint du jour is currently making the rounds or 2. Defending apple with over the top exuberance...... Logical well thought out discussion if verboten.
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I've never understood the desire to upgrade a phone every year other than the ability to show off that you have the "latest and greatest".
Why not.... and it has to be because we want to "show off"? Maybe it's because we have the ability to do so.....
 
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That's crazy, you think the current Apple can't invent anything? That Steve Jobs was the only ideas man? Don't talk ****

The proof is in the pudding.All they invented was a Watch which is all set to be outclassed in sales by a pair of headphones.The Apple Car project got cancelled.


Steve Jobs was the only one with innovative ideas.Apple only improvised on what he invented.Steve Jobs Apple is a whole other company than the current one which is just a shadow of its former self
 
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The proof is in the pudding.All they invented was a Watch which is all set to be outclassed in sales by a pair of headphones.The Apple Car project got cancelled.


Steve Jobs was the only one with innovative ideas.Apple only improvised on what he invented.Steve Jobs Apple is a whole other company than the current one which is just a shadow of its former self
Except timmy innovated the 5s, 6, 6s, 7, aw, and AirPods. The shadow of the company is now the most valuable on the planet.

But to your logic if Timmy didn't innovate neither did jobs. So here we go again...Deja vu all over again.
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Walt Mossberg and John Gruber are paid Apple marketers.The best compliment I can give them is that at least they are better than Rene Ritchie from iMore

I mean when Steve Jobs stepped down since 2011 and when the inertia from the Jobs era sputtered out after iPhone 6


Samsung Pay is accepted nearly everywhere.Apple Pay isn't
Apple Pay only has to he accepted where I shop. In my town it's almost everywhere.
 
That's crazy, you think the current Apple can't invent anything? That Steve Jobs was the only ideas man? Don't talk ****

Jobs wasn't the only ideas man - but he was the only one at Apple, as it seems. Apple is currently run by a bunch of old hippies, a designer who can't focus if nobody guides him and an accountant. Not the best combination for a tech company. But that's just my opinion.
 
The much faster A10 chip - not incrementally faster look up the tests. What's a real camera? No smartphone is a DSLR but the 7 plus in particular is again more than an incremental improvement. Water resistance is a huge thing, yes there are limitations (and no company will cover water damage that I know of just to get that out of the way). OLED would be good, but most tests who the current screen is one of the best LCD out there.

Woah, none of the haters acknowledged this post:

Apple Will Reduce iPhone 7 Production By 10% in Early 2017 Due to 'Sluggish' Sales

Say it all really.

The A10, while it can impress on paper and in benchmarks, users don't Care, it just does not perform any difference to the 6S for everyday tasks, like CPU speeds in computers, the average consumer does not require a CPU update, so whichever manafacturer release a new CPU that is x amount faster, it does not matter, unless we get better battery,

Camera is good .

Water resistance is just markerting BS, if not convered by warranty, people should avoid water, so it's not a huge thing. I'm not about to use a thousand pound phone outside in the rain knowing it's not covered by warranty , just like I would not use a 6S, so nothing really changes except giving up a useful port for a feature that is not covered
 
Except timmy innovated the 5s, 6, 6s, 7, aw, and AirPods. The shadow of the company is now the most valuable on the planet.
So remind me again.Whats so great about AirPods that the current bluetooth headphones dont already give?FYI my Bose headphones blow them out of the water in sound quality

Did Timmy invent iPhone?No
Did Timmy invent iPad?No
Did Timmy invent iPod?No
Did Timmy invent Mac?No
Did Timmy let Apple's primary cash generating unit slump?Yes

http://www.news.com.au/technology/g...s/news-story/be0840ba8fa4fca349e82b4fcc9176cf
http://nypost.com/2016/12/30/tim-cooks-terrible-year-in-review/

Were articles like these written when Jobs was in charge?No
Was Timmy's invention i.e. AW surpassed by a pair of bluetooth headphones?Yes

But to your logic if Timmy didn't innovate neither did jobs. So here we go again...Deja vu all over again.
Had it not been for Jobs,Timmy wouldnt be able to innovate in the first place as the foundation products he used as a stepping stone would not exist


Apple Pay only has to he accepted where I shop. In my town it's almost everywhere.
Yes "Almost" .Samsung Pay is everywhere
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Jobs wasn't the only ideas man - but he was the only one at Apple, as it seems. Apple is currently run by a bunch of old hippies, a designer who can't focus if nobody guides him and an accountant. Not the best combination for a tech company. But that's just my opinion.
They shouldnt have fired Forstall.Steve Jobs put up with him for a reason
 
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So remind me again.Whats so great about AirPods that the current bluetooth headphones dont already give?FYI my Bose headphones blow them out of the water in sound quality

Did Timmy invent iPhone?No
Did Timmy invent iPad?No
Did Timmy invent iPod?No
Did Timmy invent Mac?No
Did Timmy let Apple's primary cash generating unit slump?Yes
Edited to remove what is a deflection from the main topic.

Remind me again, if people were able to make cell calls and do other things on their phones prior to 2007. If they were, then Stevie invented nothing and I'll admit Timmy invented nothing. Either they both innovated and invented or they didn't.

Were articles like these written when Jobs was in charge?No
Yes. Several flops and on top of that antenna gate and the biggest of all mapgate.

Was Timmy's invention i.e. AW surpassed by a pair of bluetooth headphones?Yes
So Timmy did invent. Thank you.

Had it not been for Jobs,Timmy wouldnt be able to innovate in the first place as the foundation products he used as a stepping stone would not exist
Had it not been for the work of many other companies, Apple as a company wouldn't exist.

Yes "Almost" .Samsung Pay is everywhere
Yes I agree, Samsung Pay is almost everywhere, the same that apple pay is almost every everywhere.

They shouldnt have fired Forstall.Steve Jobs put up with him for a reason
Jobs also hand-picked Timmy for CEO position and since Jobs rarely every made "a bad decision", this was a strategic move as well, acknowledging the person apple needs going forward.
 
So remind me again.Whats so great about AirPods that the current bluetooth headphones dont already give?FYI my Bose headphones blow them out of the water in sound quality
Having used my airpods, I find I like its portability. It fits nicely into the coin pouch in my jeans, which makes it easy to keep and take out. It's very easy to pair and switch between my Apple devices, and sound quality is okay by me. It's also small and discrete and I have no problems leaving them on for an extended period of time. Maybe the Bose headphones trounce it in sound quality, but to me, that's an acceptable trade off for the other benefits which I simply prize more.

Basically, the airpods is really convenient and easy to use, which in turn makes me naturally use them more compared to other headphones I have owned.

Did Timmy invent iPhone?No
Did Timmy invent iPad?No
Did Timmy invent iPod?No
Did Timmy invent Mac?No
Did Timmy let Apple's primary cash generating unit slump?Yes

http://www.news.com.au/technology/g...s/news-story/be0840ba8fa4fca349e82b4fcc9176cf
http://nypost.com/2016/12/30/tim-cooks-terrible-year-in-review/
https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

Let's see what Apple has accomplished under Tim Cook's leadership.
The iPhone installed base has grown by 500M users.
The iPad installed base has grown by 175M users.
The Mac installed base has grown by 50M users.
Apple introduced Apple Watch, the company's first wearable product. Approximately 18M Apple Watches, a device positioned as an iPhone accessory, have been sold to date.
Apple is earning more than $6B per year of revenue through app sales via the App Store.
Apple successfully made the difficult jump from a paid music download model to streaming and is approaching 20M paying Apple Music subscribers.
Apple continues to push forward with Apple TV. The company is approaching 10M units sold since the device was updated in 2015.
Apple continues to develop key services including Apple Pay, Messages, and Maps.
Does this look like a slump in sales to you?

Were articles like these written when Jobs was in charge?No
Was Timmy's invention i.e. AW surpassed by a pair of bluetooth headphones?Yes
What are you saying? People have been proclaiming the doom of Apple since time immemorial, even when Steve Jobs were around.

Had it not been for Jobs,Timmy wouldnt be able to innovate in the first place as the foundation products he used as a stepping stone would not exist
Nobody is downplaying Steve Job's contributions here. But this doesn't make Tim Cook's achievements any less impressive or stellar just because he didn't come up with any of those products.

Yes "Almost" .Samsung Pay is everywhere
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They shouldnt have fired Forstall.Steve Jobs put up with him for a reason

No man is indispensable. If Tim Cook felt Scott was creating more problems at Apple than he was worth, then he every bit had to go. Remember, he works for Apple, not the other way round.
 
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