And the battery is still user replaceable. At least on phones till 7/7 plus. Its just tricky. And you lose water resistance if you do it yourself.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Will Replace the Battery in Your iPhone 6 or Later Even if It Passes a Genius Bar Diagnostic Test
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Get off your high horse - your own post is garbage by your own rules!. I come here to feel the barometer of feeling towards Apple and to find news about Apple. I have their products, some I choose to own, e.g. iPad, Mac Mini and some I am forced to own, e.g. iPhone.
I post here to express my opinion and to read those of others; often they are apposing, but just because I no longer like Apple [there was a time when I owned and aspired to own many of their productss], doesn't mean I cannot enjoy reading the opinions that are far stronger than mine and comment on them.
For interest one of my favourite sites is the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper - but I am not Australian or from Sydney! - see how stupid it is?
What really makes comments sections garbage is pious folks thinking they own the inner sanctum
Is difficult (and expensive) to move once you've bought into one ecosystem or another, I think that keeps more people with Apple than iMessage.
I don't think they did it to force folks to upgrade, I also don't think they necessarily had the best of intentions either, it's probably somewhere in the middle to keep customers happy as their phone isn't shutting down all the time and also reduce warranty claims and complaints. A slower phone is better than no phone.
Throttling the CPU seems like a technically sound response but it's the lack of transparency that has annoyed many folks.
The cover up is often worse than the original issue.
From what you have mentioned, its possible that the battery in your phone is actually faulty. There are always a few faulty samples in every mass manufactured product. In your case, it should be replaced under warranty if its actually faulty. But this is not a case of a faulty battery design, which is when mass recalls typically happen. When such a thing came to Apples notice, they actually replaced batteries on some iPhones 6s for free in 2017.
Has anyone had their iPhone battery replaced by Apple recently? Does it still take about an hour wait at the Apple store or do they keep your phone for days and you come back and pick it up?
Don't know what? That Apple didnt push an iOS that rapidly drains our battery? Really? Have you read any of the information about this 'update' and what its designed to do? Certainly not designed to drain the battery faster as the post I replied to alluded to but quite the opposite.
This is only a fair comparison if the phones run the same iOS version. Heck, my old 5S (iOS 10.x) is outlasting my old 6S+ (iOS 11.x).
Genuine question. I don't use iMessage, but my whole family are all on different ecosystems, e.g. Windows, IOS and Android and my teenage daugthers all are using something different, but spend their lives messenging each other [Whatsap and Facebook messenger I think?]. What is it about iMessage that means it is difficult to leave IOS? - Genuine question as I have seen this said before many times.
Apple did it, got caught, half assed apologized - and then stated they intend to continue doing it.
OK. Got it. They've become a blatantly arrogant group of thieving toy makers.
New Pixel 2 XL is on order. No problem, fassssttt phone.
... no longer waiting for the new modular mac pro or any other Apple product.
... 2012 Mac Pro now for sale.
Not one single piece of software I need was available solely on the Mac. Google beats the heck out of iCloud.
22 years of being a loyal Apple customer down the drain .......
How refreshing! Bye Timmy.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
No I fully understand. But you are razor focused on Geekbench, implying that it is not a good way to gauge the perceived slowdowns that was the catalyst for all of this. And I've come back more than once now saying it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong about Geekbench, the very same issues you are taking with Geekbench applied back when older iDevices were new too. So if a Geekbench score is "off" by- let's just make up- 30%, meaning as some quantitatively objective measure of iDevices speed, it's shortchanging iDevice by 30%. Fine.
If it will shortchange it by 30% now (after we insert a new battery), we can still compare the score against when the very same iDevice was new (because it would have shortchanged it then too).
The question remains the same: does iOS throttle older iDevices in iOS upgrades? Geekbench was a tool to strongly imply that Apple does. Since it came out, Apple has admitted that it does indeed throttle older iDevices but laid blame on aging batteries. That's plausible.
- Assume Apple is telling the truth: when they put in a brand new battery, the iDevice should return to something toward "like new" speed. One might objectively measure that with the flawed or not-flawed Geekbench tool.
- Assume Apple is not telling the whole truth (that throttling is applied beyond power management): inserting a new battery is NOT going to get the iDevice back toward "like new" speed. But it will imply that there's more throttling code than just power management.
I either get back toward full speed for $29 or I potentially get back toward full speed after Apple is then pressed to remove other throttling code if it comes out that brand new batteries don't make up for the performance slip across iOS upgrades. I view that purely as consumer win:win.
"Anecdotal reports also suggest that customers who paid $79 to have their battery replaced before the new pricing came into effect on Saturday, December 30, will receive a refund from Apple upon request. Please let us know of your own experiences in the comments below."
That is the key. Apple would never make their phones' battery user-replaceable by the casual users.
This was a key problem.
Apple weren't training their Genius staff to think for themselves, and instead made them completely reliant on a battery troubleshooting test which DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.
This meant you couldn't get your battery replaced even if you wanted it pay top dollar.
Apple weren't training their Genius staff to think for themselves, and instead made them completely reliant on a battery troubleshooting test which DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.
This meant you couldn't get your battery replaced even if you wanted it pay top dollar.
Sure, of course - I like to learn from different opinions, when there's something to learn. For example, if someone actually had something scientific to say about batteries or throttling or whatever.
But objectivity is relative. People tend to confuse objectivity with agreement. Just from your response, I can tell there is nothing objective about it, you're just one of those people who claim Apple enthusiasts here have some kind of cult mentality. There is actually very little Apple "worship" here - I honestly don't remember a single person or post where they treat Apple like they are perfect - because that's what worship implies. However, every time you do agree with something Apple does, there are five guys calling it "worship". "Some people here will buy a dead phone if it was sold by Apple".... "Apple sheep".... "How much is Tim Cook paying you?".... Etc. Need I go on?
On the other hand, people who do criticize Apple, always take the high ground. Because it's always easy to criticize. When you're criticizing, you're not a sheep, not a loyalist, right? And at the same time, everyone else must be blinded by brand loyalty or whatever. See, I don't really care what people think of Apple. I don't own their stock. But what does bother me is the constant condesending, patronizing tone of the people who come here and pretend they are "objective".
Objective my ass.
i feel like they could be throttling older devices. i have an iphone6 with a "new" battery (replaced march 2017). the battery has 278 cycles and depending on the weather, coconutbattery reports 83-88% health.
the CPU never exceeds 1100MHz from what i can tell. and i've seen it throttle all the way down to 600Mhz with 80% battery left.
what i do know is i have 2 other iphone6 that were bought at the same time (late 2014). these two phones have their original batteries and are running iOS10, and they 1) never randomly shut down and 2) the performance is quite good. to me this indicates that they are un-necessarily crippling iphone6 under iOS11.
i will admit that the battery in my phone could be 'bad' - it does seem to discharge quite quickly even with the cpu running at 1100Mhz and lower. according to a friend that worked at apple in the ipod shuffle era, there's no good way to know if a lithum ion battery is good or bad at manufacture time, so it's certainly possible that apple gave me a bunk battery back in march.
No, dammed because they did.
No innocents here, just thieves blinking in the sunlight.
This one has a poetic soul, too.
Last edited by a moderator:
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I responded to a post where a guy was casting MacRumors purely as an anti-Apple crowd by counter-pointing that MacRumors also has an "Apple is always right" crowd.
You chose to then quote my response and begin this conversation, seeming to get after me because...
That sounds biased to me. Did you get after the OP too or just me? Or was OP right for painting a broad stroke that we're all Apple haters here while I was only wrong for holding up a mirror to that view?
And I don't confuse objectivity with agreement. I generally view objectivity here as those who can post praise about some Apple things and pan about others. They are sharing their own opinions about Apple stuff, not always bending those opinions to go with the (Apple corporate) flow or always siding against Apple no matter what.
Apple does many things very well. But they are not perfect. Some things they do seems to work against consumers, while other things seem to work for them. I consider the objective segment those that can praise the latter while panning the former. There is plenty of people here who will always tow the company line no matter what. And there's plenty of people here who always find the wrong about Apple no matter what. Then, there this other segment that seems to actually apply what I interpret as the meaning of "think different." They are the ones that I perceive as objective or at least somewhat objective.
I'd be looking at Android already if it wasn't for the privacy concerns on that side. It's something of a Sophie's choice now.
I think it's a fair comment, Apple issued this apology and it addresses the concerns about a lack of transparency..."Apple last week was forced to apologize over a lack of transparency"
Oh, please. More biased writing from this website.
I agree 100% when it comes to transparency. I do think though it might be a case of doing the minimum required to get the best experience at that time. For example the iPhone 6 has 1GB RAM. Perhaps 1GB was just barely good enough when the 6 was first released but how abouyt 2-3 years later? And what about 16GB devices? If you have a 16GB iPhone 6 that has little to no space left would that phone be slow after 2-3 years? Again I don’t think Apple is intentionally making decisions so you have a worse experience but I do think it’s possible these devices are being handed down and used a lot longer than Apple execs expected and they need to think about that more when deciding what specs a device will have and how many yearly software updates it will receive.
Dude. Your post is too logical, with the proper preamble-middle-ending.
Are you sure it belongs in here? /s
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
To date, the issue with the conspiracy belief has been basically a snapshot of this kind of experience: it FEELS like it slows down when we upgrade iOS versions. I have that feeling myself with my own Apple iDevices- each major upgrade of iOS slows them down some. Post that and 10 guys will jump in saying their same iDevice is running faster than before, basically implying that the user is wrong. The user can't post hard evidence, so it's their impression vs. a wall of counterpoint that may be valid or may be "Apple is always right" defense "so you must be wrong."
THIS is different though, and it's different because Apple responded to the Geekbench information as they did. Had they attacked Geekbench or faulted the approach, it may have died down. But instead, they admitted that they do have (no longer a) secret code in iOS that does indeed throttle older iDevices with degraded batteries. That begs the question: is all that "slow down" code solely tied to older batteries or is there other secret code ALSO throttling older devices? That's the conspiracy perception- that upgrades to iOS does indeed slow down older iDevices. A gut motive is to spur on the pace of buying new Apple products, which is easily imagined even by those with modestly rose-colored glasses.
The problem with the admission + battery-focused excuse is that it can easily be tested now: same device, brand new battery, compare Geekbench score to the Geekbench score when it was new. Is it about as fast as when it was new? If not, it implies that battery excuse was just an excuse and that there is more throttling code in play inside iOS. Of course, there are other possibilities too but Apple has focused the blame on a single thing and offered to replace that single thing for $29. That doesn't leave much room to come back with other excuses if the battery upgrade doesn't yield a much faster iDevice.