I just got off a chat with Apple tech. Nice guy. But after discussing, I am convinced that the battery replacement won't change a lot. My battery has 430 cycles. Which is good for a phone that I bought two years ago. "It's a damn good phone"!
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Apple Will Replace the Battery in Your iPhone 6 or Later Even if It Passes a Genius Bar Diagnostic Test
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Your benchmark is dated 02 Jan 2018, that is not using this iOS version. If by just now , you refer to 5-6 days prior , okay .
I never claimed it was from this version, only that my older 7 Plus has been benchmarking at full speed, despite being 15 months old (and heavily used).
And why two responses in different threads to the same thing? This must bother you I have a non-throttled iPhone.
Not at all, i asked on the thread with the latest iOS version , with the security patch, and you linked me to one dated 2nd of Jan. Just simple analysis . I just know today's date.
Now, as the security patch is suppose to have some performance hit, maybe link to a relevant benchmark ?
Start by reading through this Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_your_battery/
Many user showing substantial throttling while in the 85-90% range.
anecdotes on Reddit are not proof. the data from a 3rd party app isn't really proof either.
show me the exact code in iOS that does what you claim is happening.
Screenshots of people's battery health reports and Geekbench scores, often comparing before and after a battery replacement, is the best information we have.
There's plenty of evidence supporting this being done. Just because Apple won't disclose the specifics of when they throttle and removed most access to battery health data doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Most people whose phones are being throttled are above 80% battery health.
The thread I posted 3 posts above yours.
There's also tons of screenshots on this forum and elsewhere that demonstrate poor Geekbench scores while the battery is over 80%, so Apple considers it "Healthy".
Some of those people report going to Apple stores and being told that they will not replace the battery because it's "Healthy" and denied there being any link to performance (indicating the techs did not know, and like the rest of us, had no reason to think it possible).
They’re all listening to the android fanboys and switching to Samsung’s and pixel’s. Android phones never have slowdown and crashing issues... errr uh Android is just better.
Do those show that most phones (as in out of all of the ones that are out there that are in fact experiencing throttling related to all of this) that are being throttled with battery health being above 80%?
I haven't studied where "most" of them are based on reports.
Of course, we would have very good information from Geekbench if Apple hadn't removed access to that battery information not long ago, curiously.
In fact, we should ask Apple to specify exactly when the throttling begins happening.It stands to reason that if the throttling is based on "battery health" as Apple claims and there are many, many cases of throttling while above 80%, it's a normal part of the function.
Well, it seems that Apple has mentioned that the power management functions that they have added are not simply just based on battery cycles and age (which is mostly what that health comes down to), but other factors as well. This is basically something that's known since Apple's statement on this.I haven't studied where "most" of them are based on reports.
Of course, we would have very good information from Geekbench if Apple hadn't removed access to that battery information not long ago, curiously.
It stands to reason that if the throttling is based on "battery health" as Apple claims and there are many, many cases of throttling while above 80%, it's a normal part of the function.
That aside, it sounds like there are certainly cases where throttling can happen while battery health could be above 80%, but we don't really know what else is involved in those cases and to what degree and when the throttling happens in those scenarios as well as other ones (given that benchmarks could cause the throttling to kick in, when it otherwise might not be in use most of the time), but, more importantly, it seems that while those cases exist it's hard to say that those scenarios somehow apply to "most" or anything like that.
I don't understand your point here. That sometimes, it may not but can, and we don't know precise numbers or specifics?
It happens enough, based on the reports and screenshots of users, that it can safely be concluded that throttling normal above 80%. It doesn't seem to just start at 80% where Apple considers the battery no longer "Healthy."
There's certainly no evidence that Apple waits until 80% before throttling and plenty against it.
That it isn't simply based on the battery health percentage. That throttling can be different in different situations and/or devices. And that there's nothing really to say that most devices that are being throttled have battery health that is above 80% (again, not that that's the only thing that plays a role in throttling and not that throttling is the same across the board).
There isn't really evidence to suggest that it isn't being done to "most devices," while there is evidence to suggest it's quite normal.
There aren't many other factors as to why the CPU would be throttled, temperature being one but it's not likely affecting anything in these reports. Battery level (not health) could be another but people report being throttled while 100% charged and plugged in.
At the end of the day, if Apple was forthcoming with the specifics of what was happening to their devices so that consumers could make informed decisions, I don't think this would be nearly the problem that it is. Deliberately keeping them in the dark while introducing new features that secretly slow the device down with no indication of why, to what extent, or how to resolve it is the crux of the issue here.
So it's most because there isn't much evidence to suggest that it isn't most? I see. If "logic" like that is in play, there really isn't much say aside from that.
There is plenty of evidence of it, and none against it.
So why are you suggesting that it isn't the case? You seem to be saying that more information is needed to conclude it with certainty -- and I agree.
However, Apple keeps us in the dark, so we go with the information we have. It doesn't really matter how many devices above 80% battery health are being throttled due to battery health, what matters is we know it's being done so has to be taken into consideration.
Because it's enough to void the argument that it isn't happening to anyone above 80%. It isn't just one or two that could be an anomaly, it's enough to consider it normal.
The Geekbench results and screenshots show that it's happening.
Requiring the proprietary and private code from Apple is not even a remotely request.
Are you going to claim that it isn't happening, in face of all of the only evidence we have, exist until you have that code?
Why don't you ask Apple directly?It's certainly very interesting that they won't say when but have decided to replace batteries that are above 80% health.
Enough to say that it happens, sure, which follows what was provided in the actual statement from Apple about there being more variables in play in all of it. There isn't some need to come up with some sort of implication of most or anything like just that to mention that.Because it's enough to void the argument that it isn't happening to anyone above 80%. It isn't just one or two that could be an anomaly, it's enough to consider it normal.
The Geekbench results and screenshots show that it's happening.
Requiring the proprietary and private code from Apple is not even a remotely request.
Are you going to claim that it isn't happening, in face of all of the only evidence we have, exist until you have that code?
It's certainly very interesting that they won't say when but have decided to replace batteries that are above 80% health.
In any case, getting back to my original question of what that was based on, the runabout answer appears to simply be nothing in particular.
What I said was about the Reddit thread.
You're free to go look at the thread yourself. It's similar for people posting in MacRumors as well.
Speaking of "nothing in particular", I have yet to see a point you're trying to make.
My whole point is that the throttling happens before 80% battery health and that seems to be the case with the information we have. Expecting concrete sources in unreasonable as Apple holds all the secrets, but their actions support this as well.
Simply asked the question about what was behind the "most" aspect of the general statement that was made.