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But it was you that stated that only you want to decide what to buy? With other words, the consumer decides?
Well, you got over 70 different tablet models to choose from in the UK. If you shop online and include china, you get close to a hundred.

8 of those are the different iPad models. Why are "the consumers" not buying the other models? Why ist "tablet" the same then "iPad"? Apples fault? How? Apple sells in the upper price range, 90% of the competition is cheaper. According to there marketing, at least half are better then the iPad, still, over 40 Million iPad buyers seem to think different. Apple aquires a million new "fanboys" a week, that simply can not be true.

So why are tablet buyers not buying the other devices? Are they all waiting for a $1000 surface?

If Apple succeeds in banning the Samsung tablet they will almost certainly go after all the other manufacturers thereby reducing competition.

I think most people would agree that the iPad is the best tablet on the market. Let's see if things stay that way in 2 or 3 years time when the competition will have much better products on the market. Let's see if all those millions of people continue to pay top dollar for the iPad then.
 
I've no doubt he knows more than most people on these forums about IP,

Yes, Foss Patents is a great resource for getting links to cases, timelines, and the details of IP laws in various countries.

but he has no credibility wth me when it comes to his opinions.

Agreed. Mueller doesn't always seem to understand the technical details of the patents he writes about, he has a huge bias, and his predictions are often wrong.

Over all, a great reference to pick through for facts, but then you should make up your own mind from the facts.
 
Over all, a great reference to pick through for facts, but then you should make up your own mind from the facts.

Yes, from FOSSPAtents you have to pick only the court documents, not more. You can't trust someone that doesn't have a law degree and that tries to show that knows more about US law than Judge Alsup or Judge Posner
 
I'm a huge Apple fan. I don't blame Steve for being pissed. When the first Android phones came out it was an obvious attempt to create a similar product. Samsung has gone even further by copying the physical design (not so much w/ the Nexus) and practically pixel for pixel the UI elements. I don't have a clue as to what is legal or infringing but it's pretty obvious where the ideas came from. The more technical aspects of certain patents are a different issue altogether.

That said, I was so impressed by the Jelly Bean demos and new features that I ordered a Galaxy Nexus HSPA+ to give a test drive. It's pretty obvious that no matter how bad Steve wanted it to happen Android is NOT going away. Apple needs to do more to innovate now in the same way that Google is doing.

Yes, they copied the original concept but they have also improved upon it in ways that Apple has not thought of or been able to do for some reason. Just make a licensing deal and get back to business.
 
Here is where your argument breaks down. It was common knowlege Google bought android and was planning on making a phone well before Eric was invited onto Apples BOD. Chances are Apple wanted Eric because Google was making a phone.

Also Eric kept himself out of anything at Google dealing with Android to avoid Apple being able to scream he stole trade secrets. Then he started leaving and not taking part in anything dealing with the iPhone.

On top of all that do you really thing BOD gets all the little details. They get big picture stuff but not the day to day stuff.

It comes down to Apple fanboys trying to twist the truth and BS.

Sorry Rod, but your being influenced by the Decepticons.

In this meeting Steve tried to get Eric from copying information gained from his time on the BOD. No agreement was reached, the rest is fairly straight forward. Also spare me the Fanboy Bologna. I disagree with many APPL decisions. This subject however, I have no doubts.

http://www.redmondpie.com/steve-job...et-for-coffee-plans-world-domination-9140570/
 
In this case the lawsuit is not about hardware but software: there are 4 software patents the Galaxy Nexus is considered by the judge to violate, the most important has to do with Siri

EDIT: beaten by chrm jenkins

What are those four software patents? This article is very vague, and it should tell us WHY the lawsuit is occurring so that commenters don't have to make guesses.
 
Why shouldn't Apple do everything in its power within the bounds of the law to protect its business? They've been down this road before with Windows/MacOS and got burned for not being prepared. They know better than anyone the ultimate price they'll pay if they don't fit till the end.
 
Why shouldn't Apple do everything in its power within the bounds of the law to protect its business? They've been down this road before with Windows/MacOS and got burned for not being prepared. They know better than anyone the ultimate price they'll pay if they don't fit till the end.

Careful. Entering Fanboy territory. ;)
 
Why shouldn't Apple do everything in its power within the bounds of the law to protect its business?

It could be unethical. To be honest, most of us here (including me) don't know enough about the claims to make any comment on who is in the right in this case.

If you want to see a legal but horrible move, look at Microsoft's reasons not to buy a Mac they posted in 2010 or something. Their reasons are technically not lies, but anyone would read them as lies.

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Careful. Entering Fanboy territory. ;)

Yeah, I don't know if he'd say the same thing about Microsoft suing someone for some retarded reason.
 
A thousand messages ago this thread mentioned Google IO.

1-2005

http://news.cnet.com/Google-wants-dark-fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html

"Google is looking for Strategic Negotiator candidates with experience in...(i)dentification, selection, and negotiation of dark fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas and over long distances as part of development of a global backbone network," the posting reads in part. "Dark fiber" refers to fiber-optic cable that's already been laid, but is not yet in use. Thousands of miles of dark fiber are available in the United States, but there have been few takers because of the high costs of making it operational."

6-2006

http://digg.com/news/story/Google_s_Continuing_Dark_Fiber_Mystery

"eweek.com — Analysts say Google may be spending more than $1 billion on infrastructure projects, including purchases of a "dark fiber" backbone. The reason for the purchases is a riddle to the industry, but one Internet consultant recently offered a new answer to the puzzle. Jun 23, 2006"

5-2007

http://www.voip-news.com/feature/google-dark-fiber-050707/

"Google head of special initiatives Eric Sacca has said the fiber helps Google avoid long-haul transport costs for traffic that needs to get to, say, peering points that connect to the AT&T network. Google also uses formerly dark fiber to interconnect its massive data centers and perform mundane tasks like replicating its search index to Google sites worldwide. One Google observer who has also worked with the company thinks the Official Story is also the most likely, since Google historically tries to build and operate its own, self-contained infrastructure."

2-2008

http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/googlenet-update-google-buys-a-piece-of-transpacific-cable/

"Google is buying a piece of a new transpacific fiber optic cable, according to research firm TeleGeography. This will be yet another piece of what can be loosely described as GoogleNet, a fiber network built and leased by the search engine and advertising giant to meet its ever-growing bandwidth requirements. Google is one of the six investors in the “Unity” undersea cable that will connect the U.S. and Japan. The new cable is going to be built by Tyco Telecommunications and NEC for about $300 million. "

12-2010

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-buys-old-port-authority-nyc-fiber-hub-for-19-billion/2705

"Google has actually been the largest tenant at the the old Port Authority building on 111 Eighth Avenue on the city’s West Side for some time now (they began leasing space in 2006), but closed a deal Wednesday to purchase the 3 million square foot building. While the $1.9 billion purchase price is hardly a steal, Google is most likely more interested in the fiber sitting under the building as it is in the real estate."

6-2012

http://www.slashgear.com/google-grabs-beam-forming-wireless-efficiency-patents-18234356/

"Google grabs beam-forming wireless efficiency patents

Google has snapped up a bundled of wireless efficiency patents from Magnolia Broadband, covering network capacity maximization, battery frugality technology and more. The beam-forming Mobile Transmit Diversity (MTD) patents are used in Magnolia Broadband’s MTD software, which will remain on sale to vendors and chipset specialists; however, Google will take control of the patents covering the technology itself."

This is way beyond "MVNO". This is Telecom 3.0 VoIP and data. I think they should be smart and do a deal with Apple for the end user hardware. Apple is network agnostic.

Rocketman
 
I'm a huge Apple fan. I don't blame Steve for being ****. When the first Android phones came out it was an obvious attempt to create a similar product. Samsung has gone even further by copying the physical design (not so much w/ the Nexus) and practically pixel for pixel the UI elements. I don't have a clue as to what is legal or infringing but it's pretty obvious where the ideas came from. The more technical aspects of certain patents are a different issue altogether.

That said, I was so impressed by the Jelly Bean demos and new features that I ordered a Galaxy Nexus HSPA+ to give a test drive. It's pretty obvious that no matter how bad Steve wanted it to happen Android is NOT going away. Apple needs to do more to innovate now in the same way that Google is doing.

Yes, they copied the original concept but they have also improved upon it in ways that Apple has not thought of or been able to do for some reason. Just make a licensing deal and get back to business.

It's part of Apple's strategy. When a new iPhone comes out, it's all over the news because Apple can generate so much excitement about it. "OMG video recording on the 3GS!!!" Yeah, my flip phone had that. They just don't add features until the competition does but with a delay even then.

People stick with the iPhone because the benefits still outweigh the downsides, but Apple cuts it close. Then they release the "new" feature and make a big deal about it. In the end, the sheep go with the iPhone because it's what they've been using, the sensible users go with the iPhone because it's the best, and the passionate people who base their decision off of their hate of Apple's strategies (or those who just really need the feature) go with Android phones. Then those haters claim that Apple copied the idea of video recording or something from Android when they, in fact, were deliberately leaving that feature out.

I don't like that Apple does this, and it makes them look manipulative (which they very much are), but the iPhone is still the best phone for me, so I go with the iPhone.
 
As Lex Luther said;

"Never thought this thing would go the distance"

1,000 posts - this one is contentious - lots of passionate arguments on both sides.
 

Two more links, and still nothing whatsoever to support your original claim that

In this meeting Steve tried to get Eric from copying information gained from his time on the BOD. No agreement was reached, the rest is fairly straight forward.

And had to laugh out loud at the statement in the first link that "Steve Jobs and Google CEO Eric Schmidt sat across from each other in some sort of upscale shopping mall" - Town and Country Village is a rather tacky, well-worn 50 year old strip mall. Pleasant enough, but not upscale. ("Upscale" would be the Stanford Shopping Center or Santana Row....)
 
Town and Country Village is a rather tacky, well-worn 50 year old strip mall. Pleasant enough, but not upscale. ("Upscale" would be the Stanford Shopping Center or Santana Row....
Aiden, you're so snooty. :) I bet they didn't need reservations.

Appeals court refuses rehearing on Proposition 8

I think it hinges on the 10th amendment. The people of a state have spoken. As I pointed out to you a year or more ago, start a new path. Simply call it something else and admit to your opponents you are perfectly willing to agree "marriage" is a reserved word. The zealots are in the vast majority.

They don't object to what you do, they object your trying to conflate it with what they do. Messaging is the key. Listen to . . . . .

Rocketman

Ask your friends if they would like to earn 3% with me in the mean time.
 
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I'm pretty sure Samsung plays a part in the software, especially because Android runs on so many different devices.

The only part Samsung plays in the OS is to get it working on the device and to be able to use all of the hardware features on the device, they do not add OS specific features such as what's being discussed here, Google does. All of these features are on just about every android device, but yet Apple is going after Samsung.
 
If this thread breaks 1,000 comments (which it will), I'll be amazed. Just, wow.

(damn, figures I'd be the 1,000th comment LOL :eek:)

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For all we know, they were plotting the next phase in their secret plan to keep Apple and Google at the forefront of tech news by feigning animosity towards each other ;)

I am curious (and I like your points lol), what went down between Jobs and Schmidt after Eric was removed from Apple's BoD's as his position with Google was [supposedly] compromising Apple's work? I always thought Schmidt's position with Apple was odd given his position with Google.
 
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