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The ban is unwarranted. Hopefully Apple will focus more on innovating and less on lawsuits.

Maybe Samsung should focus more on innovating and less on ripping off the innovator. Apple is innovating. Other companies say they are and aren't producing anything new... unless it came from Apple first.
 
Maybe Samsung should focus more on innovating and less on ripping off the innovator. Apple is innovating. Other companies say they are and aren't producing anything new... unless it came from Apple first.

If Apple are inovating so much why was everything in ios5 stolen from Android and other smartphone operating system, such as the notification system, camera from lock screen and twitter integration :eek:
 
Steve Jobs position was that Android was a stolen product and he would do everything he could to destroy it. Get your facts straight. Android was a copy of iOS...but if DroidBois keep saying it wasn't one day it might be true.

The ban is warranted. Samsung should focus more on innovation and make a Tablet that is unique to their culture based on some good ole fashioned hard work through R&D. Lazy bastards if you ask me to just copy what someone else is doing. Where's the innovation in that?

Steve Jobs' had a quote: "Picasso had a saying: 'Good artists copy, great artists steal'. We have, you know, always, ah, been shameless about stealing great ideas"

I feel like Apple is being very hypocritical here. Remember Konfabulator and Dashboard? Don't tell me that wasn't a copy... Only difference was the makers of Konfabulator didnt have billions of cash laying around for litigating.
 
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Sure, like iMac was the one and only all in one desktop computer back in 1998
Or something like click/touch wheel on early generation of iPod.
Or like Macbook Air when Sony hardly made it into the market.
Or even iPhone/iPod Touch started using capacitive touch screen while any other only use resistive along with fugly looking stylus.

I'm sure Samsung's geniuses got into those ideas first :eek:

Apple surely sucks at innovation, right? :rolleyes:

You are talking about refinements to existing ideas. And Apple is great at turning concepts that already exist (PDA phones, tablets, media players) and turning them into more user-friendly things that people actually want. That's no small feat. And my own house is full of these "product refinements". But to say Apple "innovates" or comes up with things nobody ever even thought of, is a stretch.

Besides, let' not forget. When Apple says that they need a 2500 x 1500 (or whatever it is) screen for the iPad 3, its not Apple who makes the screen, it's companies like Samsung who engineer and build it for Apple. If it weren't for companies like Samsung and all those various chip and component makers that Apple uses, all these great Apple products wouldn't exist. Every time there are technology improvements in graphics chips, storage, memory, screens, etc, its the component manufacturers who help make Apple "magical" ;)
 
You are talking about refinements to existing ideas. And Apple is great at turning concepts that already exist (PDA phones, tablets, media players) and turning them into more user-friendly things that people actually want. That's no small feat. And my own house is full of these "product refinements". But to say Apple "innovates" or comes up with things nobody ever even thought of, is a stretch.

Besides, let' not forget. When Apple says that they need a 2500 x 1500 (or whatever it is) screen for the iPad 3, its not Apple who makes the screen, it's companies like Samsung who engineer and build it for Apple. If it weren't for companies like Samsung and all those various chip and component makers that Apple uses, all these great Apple products wouldn't exist. Every time there are technology improvements in graphics chips, storage, memory, screens, etc, its the component manufacturers who help make Apple "magical" ;)

Exactly, and that's quite a true definition of "innovate". Refining of existing ideas, method or thinking. You may search dictionary for that.

But sure, we're not talking about vocabulary here. I'm just saying Apple may not invent many things, but truly Apple great at making innovations.
 
Basically all Samsung is doing is packaging the products it produces for companies like Apple as its own. Remember that the iPhone may be Apple's "idea" but it has Samsungs "innovation" built into it. Without Samsung Apple wouldn't have products it has today. Samsung develops all of the specs Apple provides for its products. Samsung innovates just as much as Apple difference is Samsung doesn't have an entire PR department developed towards slanging its products.
 
While the Apple fan inside me is having a party for this, as an IT manager and a consumer I got to say ouch for Samsung and Australian consumers! If Apple ends up dominating the market not just in sales (as it is now), but also being the only player, some retailers and local shops may start selling iPads way over their suggested prices -which in some countries already are.
From a legal perspective this case can indirectly/directly effect all the other legal wars in the EU and USA between Apple and other tablet makers, ending up that "cheaper entry-level" iPad that is rumoured even more distant and unlikely as Apple won't need it if it's the only tablet seller!
Still the fanboy inside me says: GO APPLE! :apple::D

I'm sorry, but Samsung is loosing more in legal fees than they are in sales of this thing. It is not a huge success! There have been literally not Android tablets that have gone into the market and done well. The ones that have had the most success have been the cheaper models $399 and under. I think a majority of people would look at the Galaxy Tab, and say "it's the same price as an iPad!" except the die hard Android user.

In all fairness, Samsung is the only "tablet" maker Apple has gone at this hard. The other cases have all been patent related, this is an outright copyright infringement case in addition to patent issues they've gone back and forth about.

If there is any line of devices that most looks and seems to be imprinted from the iPad or iPhone, it's the Galaxy line of everything. Samsung stepped in it when they had executives publicaly saying they were replicating the iPad as well as delaying the first release by saying they "needed to make it more like the iPad 2."

In the case of Samsung, I don't blame Apple. They even tried to settle this with them 1 to 1, and Samsung refused to change anything willingly. It's also going to probably cost them one of their biggest customers in supply chain. All those reports about Apple sourcing new suppliers? Interesting how that ramped up once the **** hit the fan with Samsung...
 
While the Apple fan inside me is having a party for this, as an IT manager and a consumer I got to say ouch for Samsung and Australian consumers! If Apple ends up dominating the market not just in sales (as it is now), but also being the only player, some retailers and local shops may start selling iPads way over their suggested prices -which in some countries already are.
From a legal perspective this case can indirectly/directly effect all the other legal wars in the EU and USA between Apple and other tablet makers, ending up that "cheaper entry-level" iPad that is rumoured even more distant and unlikely as Apple won't need it if it's the only tablet seller!
Still the fanboy inside me says: GO APPLE! :apple::D

IT managers don't seem to have any qualms about Windows domination in the enterprise do they?

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The ban is unwarranted. Hopefully Apple will focus more on innovating and less on lawsuits.

At least Apple does innovate. Their "competitors," like Samsung, simply copy.
 
I really hope all these guys rooting for the copycats are just trolling. Cause it's really pretty pathetic if they think Samsung is the victim here. Everyone involved in this nonsense is after money, not morals.

Sure, someone is ******** on your religious choice. I get it, you are angry: but don't be blind. These are giant megacorporations who feed on your emotional choice to spend hours on forums arguing with people who will never, ever buy your argument or the products that you perceive to be superior. You are a tool.
 
If Apple are inovating so much why was everything in ios5 stolen from Android and other smartphone operating system, such as the notification system, camera from lock screen and twitter integration :eek:

Get serious, mate. None of those things were all that distinctly original to Android either.

Do you think Google invented the Widget too? Android phones weren't really first with anything that I can think of.

Apple's implementation of these things is in their own way, as Google's was in their own way.

Where you lose the argument off the bat is that Android was a stolen concept from Apple in the first place. Did Apple invent the smart phone? No. They did, however, innovate the entire concept of how it's now done today. Did they invent the idea of apps on the phone? No. But they perfected it and their implementation. Considering apps have been available for phones since the 90's... they deserve credit for being the first company to make people actually care and want them.

Schmidt from Google has insider knowledge about the iPhone from his time on Apple's board and his friendship with Jobs. It was when he learned Apple decided to home brew a scaled down version of OSX instead of using a Linux based mobile OS that he ran to the labs in Google and said, "here's what we're going to do people" and rushed it as fast as they could.

Was Google working on a phone idea before Apple? Doesn't look that way... and what they had looked at sure wasn't an Android like device. They were looking to integrate Google into other phones, not make their own.

Innovation isn't always creating a brand new technology or method of doing something. Sometimes innovation is taking a piss poor technology or method and making it fabulous.

Apple in their history has done both. Many think they created the GUI. They didn't, but if they would have just stolen the GUI someone else made, no one would have cared. It was terrible.

Look at any so called "invention" out there. Most of the things we love the most, are another person's take one something that came before but much improved.

Now, when a company never invents anything, and only copies... maybe they deserve a bit of flack. Come to think of it, that sounds a mighty lot like Google and Microsoft. Have they ever invented ANYTHING original? Even one simple feature? Any one concept? Google absolutely not. I even question the idea that they've taken something done before and improved on it other than having good integration. You Tube wasn't even a Google idea. Microsoft is more known for buying a company that invented something. Microsoft has had their hands in a few concepts, but nothing revolutionary. Silver Light? Eh, a new format replicating other formats. That's more Microsoft's league... file formats. I can't remember the last time a feature came to Windows that someone else hadn't done first. Even Apple has borrowed, but they've also invented.

It is usually the little guy out there doing the hard core innovation... everyone else just buys the little guy. In fairness, you can't say Apple masterminded multi-touch. Sure, they own every patent in the world for it, but they got them buy buying another company (Finger Works).

The next time you want to insinuate a company copies everything in defense of a copy cat company, just do two seconds of research. And please, if you think of anything that Google invented or innovated on their own, tell me. I can't think of a stinking thing. Maps? Nope. Docs? Nope. (And that is still piss poor all these years later.) Email? Nope. Web search? Uh uh. Social network? HA HA HA. Photo sharing or blogging sites? Oh no. An OS? Nope. They put a layer on top of someone elses work! Yes, Android isn't really even a Google invention...

Sigh. Google... people argue about them... yet never use their main service to research facts. Go figure. The one product they do better than anyone, and no one seems to know how to use it.
 
Schmidt from Google has insider knowledge about the iPhone from his time on Apple's board and his friendship with Jobs. It was when he learned Apple decided to home brew a scaled down version of OSX instead of using a Linux based mobile OS that he ran to the labs in Google and said, "here's what we're going to do people" and rushed it as fast as they could.


When the same Jobs never accused Schmidt of that is clear how wrong are you on that


Was Google working on a phone idea before Apple? Doesn't look that way... and what they had looked at sure wasn't an Android like device. They were looking to integrate Google into other phones, not make their own.

Source? Or you are only guessing?


In fairness, you can't say Apple masterminded multi-touch. Sure, they own every patent in the world for it, but they got them buy buying another company (Finger Works).

And this is totally false,they doesn't own every patent on multitouch. They don't have even the patent on capacitive screens
 
Now, read the Wiki to it and you find out:

Yea - one year AFTER the Apple II prototype was presented - also an All-in-one! Dough! :eek:

A product like that would have been in the works for more than a year, and look at them are 2 completely different devices :p
 
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I have an even more brilliant idea, how about wireless remote battery charge~ but yeah, I am not smart enough to make it possible, I am just innovative...

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So your bold quoted statement is totally reversed. Apple designed them, another company make it happens. Apple make change in something already established (touch sensor, WiFi, hard glass, IPS panel)

It's Apple who came up with the idea of Click Wheel on their first iPod and they come up with Synaptic which made it possible.

Apple also had the idea of strong and scratch resistant glass on iPhone, and they come up with Corning's prototype which works fine and finally imitated by your beloved Samsung and of course many other brands. Corning is the inventor, but Apple is the innovator.

In that case, Apple innovates just fine.

Innovate a product doesn't mean you have to invent anything on it. If I designed a bathtub with WiFi connectivity, touch screen control display, and self-regulating water temperature, and somehow I did it and people love it, then I INNOVATE and redefine new standard about bathtub.

That doesn't mean I have to invent WiFi, touch screen and temperature sensor, I can have someone else make it happens for me, but it's me who come up with that crazy super smart bathtub idea and it's also me who arrange how it supposed to be assembled or manufactured.
That's me being innovative :cool:
 
If Apple are inovating so much why was everything in ios5 stolen from Android and other smartphone operating system, such as the notification system, camera from lock screen and twitter integration :eek:

You mean like hiring the creator of Mobile Notifier? :rolleyes:
http://www.edibleapple.com/2011/06/...fier-revamped-ios-notifications-in-the-works/

Since we are talking about "stealing" lets talk about Android finally getting the ability to take a damn screenshot without a third party app.
Or how about creating folders like iOS? :roll eyes:

A feature that Android has borrowed from iOS is the ability to create folders. Android users will now be able to create them by dragging and dropping apps on top of each other. This feature has been long overdue and will help users to group items together without the three click process of having to create a folder and then drag items into it.

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/review/2118396/android-ice-cream-sandwich-vs-apple-ios-head-head
 
It's really much more then that and I'd think you'd know that.

How so? It boils down to Apple being scared of the competition, so they tried to pick flaws in the tablet that looked most likely to be a threat (way back when it launched). The problem is that its allowed other android tablets to take that spotlight.

Now we know why you are so butthurt that Apple is making it hard for Samsung to market a iPad ripoff.

Hardly. My apps are hobbys and make peanuts, it was an observation.

Not sure if you were aware, and this is brand new information but here goes: Someone who likes Apple products can also like products by another company. Its shocking but true.

You need to grow up. Apple is not some kind of all powerful, all knowing entity. Its a company that exists to make money. They didn't invent tablets, they didn't invent phones, they didn't even invent MP3 players.

Fanboys can be really pathetic sometimes. I bet you also think that Android is a rip off of iOS ;)
 
Get serious, mate. None of those things were all that distinctly original to Android either.

Do you think Google invented the Widget too? Android phones weren't really first with anything that I can think of.

Apple's implementation of these things is in their own way, as Google's was in their own way.

Where you lose the argument off the bat is that Android was a stolen concept from Apple in the first place. Did Apple invent the smart phone? No. They did, however, innovate the entire concept of how it's now done today. Did they invent the idea of apps on the phone? No. But they perfected it and their implementation. Considering apps have been available for phones since the 90's... they deserve credit for being the first company to make people actually care and want them.

Schmidt from Google has insider knowledge about the iPhone from his time on Apple's board and his friendship with Jobs. It was when he learned Apple decided to home brew a scaled down version of OSX instead of using a Linux based mobile OS that he ran to the labs in Google and said, "here's what we're going to do people" and rushed it as fast as they could.

Was Google working on a phone idea before Apple? Doesn't look that way... and what they had looked at sure wasn't an Android like device. They were looking to integrate Google into other phones, not make their own.

Innovation isn't always creating a brand new technology or method of doing something. Sometimes innovation is taking a piss poor technology or method and making it fabulous.

Apple in their history has done both. Many think they created the GUI. They didn't, but if they would have just stolen the GUI someone else made, no one would have cared. It was terrible.

Look at any so called "invention" out there. Most of the things we love the most, are another person's take one something that came before but much improved.

Now, when a company never invents anything, and only copies... maybe they deserve a bit of flack. Come to think of it, that sounds a mighty lot like Google and Microsoft. Have they ever invented ANYTHING original? Even one simple feature? Any one concept? Google absolutely not. I even question the idea that they've taken something done before and improved on it other than having good integration. You Tube wasn't even a Google idea. Microsoft is more known for buying a company that invented something. Microsoft has had their hands in a few concepts, but nothing revolutionary. Silver Light? Eh, a new format replicating other formats. That's more Microsoft's league... file formats. I can't remember the last time a feature came to Windows that someone else hadn't done first. Even Apple has borrowed, but they've also invented.

It is usually the little guy out there doing the hard core innovation... everyone else just buys the little guy. In fairness, you can't say Apple masterminded multi-touch. Sure, they own every patent in the world for it, but they got them buy buying another company (Finger Works).

The next time you want to insinuate a company copies everything in defense of a copy cat company, just do two seconds of research. And please, if you think of anything that Google invented or innovated on their own, tell me. I can't think of a stinking thing. Maps? Nope. Docs? Nope. (And that is still piss poor all these years later.) Email? Nope. Web search? Uh uh. Social network? HA HA HA. Photo sharing or blogging sites? Oh no. An OS? Nope. They put a layer on top of someone elses work! Yes, Android isn't really even a Google invention...

Sigh. Google... people argue about them... yet never use their main service to research facts. Go figure. The one product they do better than anyone, and no one seems to know how to use it.

You're just getting your panties in a bunch. The point is that Apple doesn't innovate. Apple markets. And sues.
 
When the same Jobs never accused Schmidt of that is clear how wrong are you on that

Jobs only accused Android of using stolen ideas. As in stolen from Apple. Duh.


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Was Google working on a phone idea before Apple? Doesn't look that way... and what they had looked at sure wasn't an Android like device. They were looking to integrate Google into other phones, not make their own.
Source? Or you are only guessing?

Apple not only beat Google to market, Apple's product was more refined than the first Android phones. Fact. Pick up a G1 and marvel at how bad multi touch gestures were back then on Android. Oh, and note that craptacular hardware accelerated GUI. Those first Android phones were steaming piles of crap.
 
Not sure if you were aware, and this is brand new information but here goes: Someone who likes Apple products can also like products by another company. Its shocking but true.

But they don't need to, nor should they be expected to around here.

You're complaining about Apple partisanship while on an Apple-centric site.

You might find it less frustrating to hang out around here:

www.neowin.net
http://www.winrumors.com/
http://www.winsupersite.com/

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You're just getting your panties in a bunch. The point is that Apple doesn't innovate. Apple markets. And sues.

The iPhone and the iPad stand on their own. They are what they are.

If Apple doesn't "innovate", then I can't think of anyone that does, especially after July 2007 and January 2010.

Where was Samsung's big January 2010 tablet unveiling? You know, the one where it would be the Samsung CEO sitting comfortably in that easy-chair giving the keynote and astounding the tech world. Or Samsung's opportunity in 2007 to say via their CEO in a landmark keynote "It's an iPod (well, not for Sammy), a phone, and an internet communicator . . . an iPod, a phone, and internet communicator . . ."

What happened? All these game-changers, after which competing devices all began to look like them, (with some people not even being able to tell them apart: https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...o-struggle-to-tell-ipad-and-galaxy-tab-apart/) have Apple logos on the back.

Samsung should look up "first-mover" somewhere. They should try it for a change. Never mind "innovation", or whatever that means. Change the game, delight and inspire with your product, do it first and do it right, and the labels will be what they will be.

Labels don't change what the product(s) mean for the industry and tech culture at large. And the iPhone and thereafter the iPad changed everything (and before these, the iPod and certainly the Mac.) If you'd like to not call that "innovation", then call it "hamburger", or "strawberry milkshake." It won't change a damn thing. These are seminal, landmark products that changed the entire direction of the industry and how people think about their relationship with technology. If you want to name this phenomenon for your own enjoyment and comfort, go right ahead.
 
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Jobs only accused Android of using stolen ideas. As in stolen from Apple. Duh.


So no, Jobs never accused Schmidt of using inside knowledge or of steal anything. You're only stating a wrong opinion

Apple not only beat Google to market, Apple's product was more refined than the first Android phones. Fact. Pick up a G1 and marvel at how bad multi touch gestures were back then on Android. Oh, and note that craptacular hardware accelerated GUI. Those first Android phones were steaming piles of crap.

The fact that Apple released first a product doesn't implies that others didn't work on theirs.

So yes, you're only guessing
 
I could picture some of you guys having a tattoo of the great fruit logo on your chest...

It's a debate on a tech website dedicated to that "fruit logo."

What exactly were you expecting?

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The fact that Apple released first a product doesn't implies that others didn't work on theirs.

So? How long did Google want to take to refine everything?

Working on something while someone else does the same thing, does it right, makes your own efforts look years behind, and on top of that turns it into a hit product, makes your own "efforts" pretty meaningless.

Yeah, believe it or not, I uh . . . was working on uh . . . the "first" optical drive years before anyone else's hit the market. I even had a mockup made out of pipe-cleaners and a little motor. It even spun the physical media (a miniature frisbee.) But gosh darn it, wouldn't ya know it, those other guys beat me to it.

But hey, I was "working on it!"
 
So? How long did Google want to take to refine everything?

Working on something while someone else does the same thing, does it right, makes your own efforts look years behind, and on top of that turns it into a hit product, makes your own "efforts" pretty meaningless.

Yeah, believe it or not, I uh . . . was working on uh . . . the "first" optical drive years before anyone else's hit the market. I even had a mockup made out of pipe-cleaners and a little motor. It even spun the physical media (a miniature frisbee.) But gosh darn it, wouldn't ya know it, those other guys beat me to it.

Are you claiming that is false that Android was making a mobile operating system?
 
how come apple isnt suing asus, right ... it doesnt say Samsung

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