Apple Wins One-Week Extension of Galaxy Tab Sales Ban in Australia

[duffman9000]

So no, Jobs never accused Schmidt of using inside knowledge or of steal anything. You're only stating a wrong opinion

You're only dodging the argument. Nice attempt, but I'm a master at detecting bull. Jobs accused Android of stealing ideas. He didn't directly state that Schmidt used his insider position to help steer Google. Don't be a fool and try to dispute that Schmidt did not have an insider position. Wait, go ahead and be a fool.

The fact that Apple released first a product doesn't implies that others didn't work on theirs.
So yes, you're only guessing

Again, nice attempt to dodge the argument. MacAddict1978 stated that Apple was probably working on a phone idea before Google. The end result: the original iPhone versus the first Android phones.

One screamed rushed to market: Android. One screamed rushed to market: Android.

How about you take a look at the damn Newton for the source of Apple's inspiration? Oh, but Google could have been working on a phone way back then too right?

 

[*LTD*]

Are you claiming that is false that Android was making a mobile operating system?

I'm claiming it didn't actually matter.

 

[Oletros]

You're only dodging the argument. Nice attempt, but I'm a master at detecting bull. Jobs accused Android of stealing ideas. He didn't directly state that Schmidt used his insider position to help steer Google. Don't be a fool and try to dispute that Schmidt did not have an insider position. Wait, go ahead and be a fool.

No, I'm not dodging anything. Jobs was not upset about Schmidt and never even implied that he had insider info that leaked to Google.

And Jobs was upset in 2.010 when HTC released some phones that Jobs thought stole Apple ideas. Way after Schimdt left Apple.

Again, nice attempt to dodge the argument. MacAddict1978 stated that Apple was probably working on a phone idea before Google. The end result: the original iPhone versus the first Android phones.

No, MacAddict1978 implied that before the iPhone google wasn't working on a phone so they rushed after that.

 

[vrDrew]

These threads, which pretend to discuss "innovation", are becoming increasingly boring and predictable. How long before some fool shows up and claims that the iPad was really a rip off because of some Microsoft tablet POS they used back in 2000?

I think a lot of people have a very poor understanding of how technological and commercial progress is made. They seem to place too much emphasis on the lone visionary, and not nearly enough on the hard, often grinding - and expensive - work necessary to take that "vision" and turn it into something a) that works and b) people will buy.That is a process that Apple seems to do much better than any other company in the consumer-technology field. And its why Apple, and their supporters, feel that Samsung have crossed a line with the Galaxy Tabs.

I'd really recommend reading Malcolm Gladwell's essay in The New Yorker on Steve Jobs. One of the centerpieces is actually a discussion of why the Industrial Revolution happened in England, rather than Germany or France, which had just as many talented engineers and scientists. Gladwell's conclusion: England had better "tinkerers:"

In 1779, Samuel Crompton, a retiring genius from Lancashire, invented the spinning mule, which made possible the mechanization of cotton manufacture. Yet England’s real advantage was that it had Henry Stones, of Horwich, who added metal rollers to the mule; and James Hargreaves, of Tottington, who figured out how to smooth the acceleration and deceleration of the spinning wheel; and William Kelly, of Glasgow, who worked out how to add water power to the draw stroke; and John Kennedy, of Manchester, who adapted the wheel to turn out fine counts; and, finally, Richard Roberts, also of Manchester, a master of precision machine tooling—and the tweaker’s tweaker.

Microsoft may have had tablets in 2000. But they sucked. Scientists elsewhere invented Siri - but it needed Apple to polish it, and hook it up with the back room computing horsepower, and deploy it by the tens of millions - to make it work.

 

[kdarling]

Apple's view is that they are innovating and Samsung is copying. Which means they are violating trademarks and trade dress. And under US law, Apple has to actively act to stop all such violations of all degrees, locations etc or risk losing said protections.

Under US law, it's more like Apple has to actively promote their trade dress or it doesn't become such. For instance, they lost the "multi-touch" trademark partly because they never advertised with it.

They also don't advertise their box shape or shipping material or even promote the shape of their devices, which is why they're likely to have trouble winning US lawsuits over such supposed trade dress.

That said, under Australian law, if the Judge feels that a petitioner will win the final case than he/she can agree to an injunction. Bennett's opinion was yes. This new judge disagreed.

The problem is that Judge Bennett thought that previous case law only required "could win", as in chances greater than zero.

Now she's being told that the chances have to be far higher than that to get a preliminary injunction, as you said.

 

[MacAudioPro]

But they don't need to, nor should they be expected to around here.

You're complaining about Apple partisanship while on an Apple-centric site.

So, Being on an "Apple Centric Site" requires one to stop thinking rationally, suspend common sense, and just post PRO Apple opinions about everything and negative comments about any product not manufactured by Apple...

What a boring site this would be..

 

[soco]

The Engadget version of this story in my RSS feed included the picture below. While I'm an iPad user (surprise) I still know exactly what the Tab looks like.

Still, in scrolling through the story quickly in Google Reader (remember that?) I scrolled back up to it. Why?

I thought I saw Honeycomb/ICS interface buttons on the iPad.

Yeah, the picture confused me. For the first time in all of this Apple vs. Samsung junk, I finally was able to realistically experience the point of Apple's efforts.

I get that they're very different things, but the experience was very significant to me. Thought I'd share.

 

[KnightWRX]

So, Being on an "Apple Centric Site" requires one to stop thinking rationally, suspend common sense, and just post PRO Apple opinions about everything and negative comments about any product not manufactured by Apple...

What a boring site this would be..

People really need to differentiate between an "Apple centric site" where discussion resolves around Apple for people interested in Apple products/corporate going ons and an "Apple fan site", where anything and everything is spun in a pro-Apple way.

I really doubt Macrumors is an "Apple fansite", so I really don't see what all these people have against us mere Apple users that like some of the products and are interested in rumors about Apple's going-on but don't agree with everything they do.

Really, if these people want an "Apple fansite", there are plenty of those. Maybe they should follow their own advice and go to those sites. I don't see why I should leave this site because I'm not 100% Apple, no matter what they do or make.

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Yeah, the picture confused me. For the first time in all of this Apple vs. Samsung junk, I finally was able to realistically experience the point of Apple's efforts.

Wait, you were confused by the lack of a home button and the camera being placed on the "side" edge ?

And anyway, again : In all this Apple vs Samsung junk, we're now discussion the Australian case which is not about Look and feel.

 

[danahn17]

But they don't need to, nor should they be expected to around here.

You're complaining about Apple partisanship while on an Apple-centric site.

You might find it less frustrating to hang out around here:

www.neowin.net
http://www.winrumors.com/
http://www.winsupersite.com/

Oh i didn't know that was a requirement here. Thanks for clarifying. I'll also take apart my MacBook Pro, iPod, and Mac Mini and remove all the non-Apple hardware too since I'm not allowed to support any other company.

 

[rmwebs]

But they don't need to, nor should they be expected to around here.

You're complaining about Apple partisanship while on an Apple-centric site.

You might find it less frustrating to hang out around here:

www.neowin.net
http://www.winrumors.com/
http://www.winsupersite.com/

No taa...

I was asking the OP to be a little more realistic. If I'm on an Apple forum its because I am interested in Apple and love my Apple products. Thats not to say I dont also love products by other companies.

Blind stupidity towards a single company, regardless of which forum or site you may be on is just pathetic. A lot of communities, this one included have healthy discussions about competing products. But when we get into these silly debates about how android stole this that and the other from Apple it just makes the person saying it look like an idiot as in 99% of cases BOTH have "stolen" from each other, or just taken the best logical approach at something.

To come out with comments such as "Android is a complete rip off of iOS" shows how uneducated some people are. The same applies to those who claim that the iPhone was a rip of the Prada and such. Its complete garbage just being posted to start an argument based on uneducated guesses.

 

[Chato_1895]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A405 Safari/7534.48.3)

Much better

 

[gkpm]

Yeah, the picture confused me. For the first time in all of this Apple vs. Samsung junk, I finally was able to realistically experience the point of Apple's efforts.

That's exactly the problem here. Great photo.

There is no doubt "regular" people who don't hang around in forums will be confused. Especially if they see the Samsung at a slightly cheaper price, they'll go: "they look the same, must do the same thing I'll just get the cheaper" without knowing about Android/iOS/app store/android market/etc...

Can someone explain why else Apple is going so hard against Samsung and not Asus who's actually making a nice and original tablet (especially the new Transformer) - one actually innovative?

 

[soco]

Wait, you were confused by the lack of a home button and the camera being placed on the "side" edge ?

Your completely unecessary attitude aside, yes. And here's my completely unecessary attitude: If you read what I wrote instead of getting emotional from skimming it, I said I quickly ran past the image, not sat there and looked at it.

And anyway, again : In all this Apple vs Samsung junk, we're now discussion the Australian case which is not about Look and feel.

It's cool that "we're not discussion" the Aussie case, but I commented about the Apple vs. Samsung topic overall. Is that ok? Hope I didn't break this thread's rules.

People really need to differentiate between an "Apple centric site" where discussion resolves around Apple for people interested in Apple products/corporate going ons and an "Apple fan site", where anything and everything is spun in a pro-Apple way.

The best part is, "they" don't. This site, as well as any other on the internet, is whatever the user makes it for him or herself. Just because it's an Apple-centric site for you, doesn't mean it can't be an "Apple fan site" for others. Everyone will treat these forums as they wish and it's ok as long as they're not breaking forum rules, of which, being purely pro-Apple is not one.

Really, if these people want an "Apple fansite", there are plenty of those. Maybe they should follow their own advice and go to those sites. I don't see why I should leave this site because I'm not 100% Apple, no matter what they do or make.

More of this "If you don't like it, get out." attitude as if it's your site. Very odd. Especially so since you, nearly in the same breath, tell "these people" to go to other sites and then state that you don't know why you should leave because bla bla bla didn't read it.

I don't get it.

 

[voonyx]

Wait, you were confused by the lack of a home button and the camera being placed on the "side" edge ?

And anyway, again : In all this Apple vs Samsung junk, we're now discussion the Australian case which is not about Look and feel.

What part of he skimmed the picture quickly confused you, exactly?

And anyway, again: We get it. You know what the Australian case is about.

 

[cire]

Really, if these people want an "Apple fansite", there are plenty of those. Maybe they should follow their own advice and go to those sites. I don't see why I should leave this site because I'm not 100% Apple, no matter what they do or make.

As I have stated before, people that get apoplectic at what Apple does or that there are people that really like Apple's products and philosophy might be more comfortable at a site that does not promise "news and rumors you care about." Clearly many people here don't care about the iPhone or iOS...in exactly the same way that some people think Mac OS X is for unknowledgeable fools. Isn't funny that the same arguments are used about iOS?

Someone earlier posted about the bias in voting on this thread as a sign of bias? Actually, I just reviewed this thread and the Windroidsungs are vigorously down voting anything that is said positive about Apple or Apple supporters. Then they claim they are being down voted for not supporting Apple. Wrong. I down vote people that are wrong or that attack me instead of my position. Seems that others do too.

 

[iEvolution]

Because MacRumors is run by anti-Apple people. It's obvious given all the anti-Apple spin recently.

MTA on State Investigation of Apple Grand Central Terminal Deal: 'Bring It On' -Negative
Apple Recognizes World AIDS Day Online and In-Store - Positive
Apple Wins One-Week Extension of Galaxy Tab Sales Ban in Australia - Positive for Apple
December 16th iPhone 4S Launches to Include Russia and Brazil -Positive
Apple Researching Camera-Based Digital Handshakes for Sharing Data Between Devices - Neutral
Apple Stopped Supporting Carrier IQ in iOS 5, Complete Removal Coming in Future -Positive
'iPhone' Ranks as Top Search Term on Yahoo - Positive
Survey Finds 96% of Customers Satisfied with iPhone 4S -Positive
Apple's Grand Central Terminal Store Opens December 9th, State Probing Lease Deal - Negative/Positive
Carrier IQ Logging Software Found on Many Mobile Phones - Negative
New Apple Board Member Bob Iger Buys $1M In AAPL Shares - Neutral

That's 6 Positive articles, 3 Negatives, and 2 Neutrals.

Get out of here with that non-sense that this is an anti-apple site.

 

[cire]

Get out of here with that non-sense that this is an anti-apple site.

I agree with you that the articles are not anti-Apple (and I think the CarrierIQ articles is favorable to Apple), but lately the vitriol from people with grudges against Apple is reaching a fever-pitch. And if you disagree with them you are called "irrational" "uninformed" "brainwashed."

Maybe I just notice it more because I don't like those debate tactics, but it does seem to be on the rise.

 

[*LTD*]

Get out of here with that non-sense that this is an anti-apple site.

Either way, MR is getting AI's, Cult of Mac's, MacNN's banned scraps. We get the other sites' stray cats and dogs. Numerous banned members from other Apple sites have found their way here and are camping MR. There's stuff that goes on here that would only fly for about half as long on the other sites.

But it is what it is, not much you can do about it. I'm not the site owner and I don't make the decisions. And I enjoy MR anyway.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I agree with you that the articles are not anti-Apple (and I think the CarrierIQ articles is favorable to Apple), but lately the vitriol from people with grudges against Apple is reaching a fever-pitch. And if you disagree with them you are called "irrational" "uninformed" "brainwashed."

Maybe I just notice it more because I don't like those debate tactics, but it does seem to be on the rise.

So because Macrumors is becoming more normal and the fanboys are getting drowned out. The fanboys are unhappy because people in larger numbers are calling them on their crap.

I think it is rather sad that anyone who does not worship at the church of Apple is some how a troll or an Apple hater.

 

[cire]

So because Macrumors is becoming more normal and the fanboys are getting drowned out. The fanboys are unhappy because people in larger numbers are calling them on their crap.

I think it is rather sad that anyone who does not worship at the church of Apple is some how a troll or an Apple hater.

Once again...someone disagrees with you and you call them names. Debate isn't about drowning out your rival, its about outarguing. When you resort to ad hominem attacks, you have lost. Tell me what FACTS I have wrong. Produce your own FACTS. Then present a conclusion. I will do the same. If you can do that better than me, then I will change my opinion. If you can't do that... buy a Droid.

 

[PlipPlop]

But they don't need to, nor should they be expected to around here.

You're complaining about Apple partisanship while on an Apple-centric site.

You might find it less frustrating to hang out around here:

www.neowin.net
http://www.winrumors.com/
http://www.winsupersite.com/

.

Well you will see news about exciting new products such as Windows 8 rather than another Apple rehash of other people's ideas or more lawsuits.

 

[something3153]

But the visual interface is also very close to what Apple designed in its devices with rows of icons for apps, a small tab with persistent apps, different pages of apps you switch with a flick of a finger, a devices whose interface adapts to what app has been loaded etc.

Seriously? Rows of icons is an ancient design. Pages of apps are as old as multiple virtual desktops, which go back well over a decade. The page switching with a flick is just an interface thing based on the touchscreen, which Apple didn't invent. Adapting the interface to the loaded app? Every app has its own interface. That's been the case since we wrote programs.

Where does this perception come from that Apple owns everything it does, even when others have been doing them forever?

 

[gkpm]

Seriously? Rows of icons is an ancient design. Pages of apps are as old as multiple virtual desktops, which go back well over a decade. The page switching with a flick is just an interface thing based on the touchscreen, which Apple didn't invent. Adapting the interface to the loaded app? Every app has its own interface. That's been the case since we wrote programs.

Where does this perception come from that Apple owns everything it does, even when others have been doing them forever?

You are looking at isolated general ideas and forgetting Apple pioneered the little details that actually make them work - plus their whole combination.
You say page switching rows of icons with a flick is nothing new, but who was using it with elastic momentum scrolling before, on an entirely touch surface?

If we thought like you we couldn't even say the car was an invention - we had horse carriages and steam locomotives already after all. Hardly a new thing to put both together, or is it?

99.9% of today's inventions don't appear out of the blue, but they still need an inventive step.

After all if Apple didn't invent anything, why didn't we already have things like iPhones and iPads already?

 

[thenerdal]

After all if Apple didn't invent anything, why didn't we already have things like iPhones and iPads already?

Because Apple made them popular. There were touch screen phones before iPhones and tablets before iPads.

 

[cire]

Because Apple made them popular. There were touch screen phones before iPhones and tablets before iPads.

And which of them revolutionized their market segments? Which of them are among the leading sellers in their field? Which of them makes the lionshare of the industry's profits?