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You know what would be really nice, is if we could plug our old $3000 Apple Cinema Displays into them to use as the TV. Sound via the Atv‘s output. They’d work fine as a tv, & place one more apple logo in peoples homes... & anyway what else are we supposed to do with these old displays...
 
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I agree! But more important then that, they also have to start making legit, REAL games. Apple is too PC and inoffensive to do that. At this moment they are making casual games for kids and stay at home moms and I feel, this audience don’t need anything more.
If you think apple is “too pc and inoffensive” you obviously have not been watching apple tv+.
 
Can I get some new games for my Pippin first?

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As far as gaming is concerned, the Apple TV experiment failed big time, and it remained the hobby that it was during the Jobs days.

My opinion: get 4-5 killer games, those that anyone would love.

1. Sports (soccer, NFL, basketball)
2. Addictive FPS, CoD style
3. A proper racing game
4. Maybe the mind blowing RPG

Surely all existing iPad games e.g. RR3, COD-M etc .. could just be ported to ATV ? Many are not lacking and they play beautifully even on an A10 Fusion.

I'm finding the tablet to be a better controller than an any other controller on most games I've been playing ... proper buttons would be nicer for triggering, but love using a smooth surface for joypad movements and accelerometer rotation for racing games rather than a joypad (I have Steel Series that's been relegated to a drawer).

Something in-between the two would be ideal, two solid tracking areas instead of pads/analogues and couple of buttons and rear triggers would be awesome.
 
Wonder if they are looking to release 2 with one marketed at streaming only (basically a direct replacement of the current 4K using an A12) at a cheaper price (say around the price point of the current HD) and a more expensive Arcade version marketed at gaming which would have an A14X (or whatever is coming for the next iPad Pros and entry level Macs) and more RAM. That’s the way I’m reading these rumours at least...
 
They don’t make them but they do sell them and they are compatible with their console.

Yup, particularly now that the new, California-based Sony keeps even traditional female-showing anime (not even "mature"!) stuff out of their platform, anime-styled game writers now only targeting other platforms (X, PC and Switch):
 
I think you’re right, they probably should do some type of basic streamer, as opposed to the streaming+gaming device they have. With the A12/A14 + RAM + storage, the BOM cost is too high to sell that box for $50.

But there’s no technical reason they couldn’t sell a $30-50 dongle-type streamer, the cheaper the better. I haven’t thought about the strategic implications of that though. It might be at odds with their grand plan. (Whatever that might be; I sure as hell haven’t figured out what it is.)
If all one is interested in is TV and movies, the days of spending $149 to $199 on an ATV box are over. A lot of those services are getting integrated into TV's themselves are can be well handled by a $50 streaming stick (assuming your TV doesn't have built-in services). Where the ATV will have to prove its value is in other services => a perfect example being gaming or the new Fitness+ service that Apple just announced.
 
I agree! But more important then that, they also have to start making legit, REAL games. Apple is too PC and inoffensive to do that. At this moment they are making casual games for kids and stay at home moms and I feel, this audience don’t need anything more.

Yup, they may end up to be even more PC than Sony now (see the above anti-anime stance of current Sony). They may even end up forcing(!) multiplatform developers also targetting ATV to "bend their knees" for the PC/SJW/feminist brigade - see for example the case of Cyberpunk 2077 and its dev's refusing to obey the PC command.
 
I think that apple isn't necessarily interested in carving out market from other consoles. I think they are really trying to create a market of semi-casual gamers that don't have consoles. I think they would definitely need a 1st party controller, but not necessarily one that is radically different from current offerings.
 
Releasing a new model that can’t play the new releases would seem an odd move. If you consider the SE comes with an A13 it seems Apple os pretty comfortable sticking high end chips in low end gadgets. It wouldn’t surprise me if we get an Apple TV and an Apple TV Pro that can deliver more though but id expect the games to work on both.
 
Maybe literally, but isn't it true that the video game industry is more profitable than any other media industry now? Meaning that even though the audience is smaller, overall consumers spend more?

Just Googled and found this, which I think cites the figures I was thinking of: https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/artic...stry-silently-taking-over-entertainment-world
In 2018, global box office and home video revenue was 96.8 billion.

Video game revenue in 2018 was 35 billion.
 
I don’t have a smart tv so I would also use the other apps on the Apple TV. I would imagine if you have one, you only buy this for the arcade?
 
In 2018, global box office and home video revenue was 96.8 billion.

Video game revenue in 2018 was 35 billion.

I think you are looking at US-only numbers. I'm pretty sure the video game industry has been the biggest media industry for a few years now:

"As an industry, video games generated $119.6 billion in revenue during 2018, according to SuperData."

 
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