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Apple, yes it is time you stop caring for dead Mac Apps

ProbablyDylan said:
Least they could do is make them easily removable. Lord knows I don't need Chess or Image Playground but we're stuck with them.
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Chess has been a part of an Apple computer since Microchess in 1978 on Apple II, the first game for personal computers and sold over 50k copies.

Chess.app dates back to 1989 on NextStep 1.0. Ported to Mac OS X in 1999.

It’s a game that has been played for over 1000 years, so yeah, I guess we’re stuck with it.

It’s like the chime on startup. It’s part of the experience and history. Think of it like old family heirloom, you might not have any use for it but others might and there is probably a story behind why it’s still there.

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Microchess

Microchess is a game developed by Peter R. Jennings for the Apple-1 and Apple II series, as well as many other early personal computer systems. It is believed to be the first commercially-available game for personal computers. Jennings first developed Microchess for the KIM-1, a demonstration...
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Chess

Chess is a game based on the board game of the same name and distributed by Apple as part of macOS. When first launched, the user is presented with an option to download a 1.2 GB library to enable speech recognition. The user can select a variant of Chess gameplay for new games, including...
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shapesinaframe said:
Chess has been a part of an Apple computer since Microchess in 1978 on Apple II, the first game for personal computers and sold over 50k copies.

Chess.app dates back to 1989 on NextStep 1.0. Ported to Mac OS X in 1999.

It’s a game that has been played for over 1000 years, so yeah, I guess we’re stuck with it.

It’s like the chime on startup. It’s part of the experience and history. Think of it like old family heirloom, you might not have any use for it but others might and there is probably a story behind why it’s still there.

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Microchess

Microchess is a game developed by Peter R. Jennings for the Apple-1 and Apple II series, as well as many other early personal computer systems. It is believed to be the first commercially-available game for personal computers. Jennings first developed Microchess for the KIM-1, a demonstration...
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Chess

Chess is a game based on the board game of the same name and distributed by Apple as part of macOS. When first launched, the user is presented with an option to download a 1.2 GB library to enable speech recognition. The user can select a variant of Chess gameplay for new games, including...
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Wow, truly fascinating. I'm not the sentimental type though, especially not for someone else's heirlooms.
 
Refractor said:
I nearly fell off my chair.

I didn't know that Apple ships macOS 26 with "Grapher."

I think I must have used it in 1995 the last time.

And then the damp squib Maps.

Use Maps and you will loose the will to live.

Or let me ask: "Would anyone of you pay money for Grapher or Apple Maps?"

(A case could also be made for Pages and Keynote. Apple should team up with Microsoft and ship every OS with Word or Powerpoint. The last time when I used Word or Powerpoint on a Mac (although many years ago) it seemed to be well integrated.)
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I prefer Apple Maps. I prefer Pages and often will write in it and then convert to MS Word, because nobody in my field uses Pages. Same for Numbers. Now, I prefer older versions, for sure, but Apple's apps are superior and more enjoyable to use/

I found Grapher last week and had no idea what it was.
 
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Refractor said:
(If the word would revolve around me, we would be in big trouble).

But this piqued my interest.

For what do you use grapher?

Even 30 years ago Grapher was a gimmick.

I cannot remember an instance where grapher would have given me something I really need.

Coming back to the OPs post.

Yes I can understand he moans about Grapher and Maps.

Apple will most likely have people or teams looking after Grapher and Maps. Waste of resources.

Instead wouldn't we need more manpower making Safari more stable? Or the whole system a better experience?

There is probably other bloatware in my Apps folder which is dead in the water (and what is worse one cannot easily delete it from the system by not going rogue).
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Has Grapher changed in the last decade? How much work you think Apple is putting into it?
 
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shapesinaframe said:
Chess has been a part of an Apple computer since Microchess in 1978 on Apple II, the first game for personal computers and sold over 50k copies.
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You misunderstand. I have no objection to Apple shipping a selection of apps standard. The complaint is you can't get rid of the ones you find to be useless, and this is even worse since they got rid of Launchpad. That at least did let you set up a menu of programs you actually use.

Now the Applications menu is overly long and cluttered with useless-to-me apps. And they can't be deleted. On the iPad many of them can be deleted, (Messages being one example.) On a Mac mini with no camera why are Photo Booth and FaceTime not deletable? Find My Mac I can make an argument that it should not be deletable, but Stickies? Come on already.
 
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shapesinaframe said:
Chess has been a part of an Apple computer since Microchess in 1978 on Apple II, the first game for personal computers and sold over 50k copies.

Chess.app dates back to 1989 on NextStep 1.0. Ported to Mac OS X in 1999.

It’s a game that has been played for over 1000 years, so yeah, I guess we’re stuck with it.

It’s like the chime on startup. It’s part of the experience and history. Think of it like old family heirloom, you might not have any use for it but others might and there is probably a story behind why it’s still there.

apple.fandom.com

Microchess

Microchess is a game developed by Peter R. Jennings for the Apple-1 and Apple II series, as well as many other early personal computer systems. It is believed to be the first commercially-available game for personal computers. Jennings first developed Microchess for the KIM-1, a demonstration...
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Chess

Chess is a game based on the board game of the same name and distributed by Apple as part of macOS. When first launched, the user is presented with an option to download a 1.2 GB library to enable speech recognition. The user can select a variant of Chess gameplay for new games, including...
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I agree BUT I also think we should be able to delete any application we want. Apple shouldn’t force us to keep their apps installed by putting them on a read-only volume
 
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Refractor said:
I nearly fell off my chair.

I didn't know that Apple ships macOS 26 with "Grapher."

I think I must have used it in 1995 the last time.

And then the damp squib Maps.

Use Maps and you will loose the will to live.

Or let me ask: "Would anyone of you pay money for Grapher or Apple Maps?"

(A case could also be made for Pages and Keynote. Apple should team up with Microsoft and ship every OS with Word or Powerpoint. The last time when I used Word or Powerpoint on a Mac (although many years ago) it seemed to be well integrated.)
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Apple Maps I use all the time. zero issues. I also use Keynote, and pages for everything. I would now say I'm years clean of Microsoft on my systems. My Kids use Mac stuff by choice for school and uni and they both have free access to Microsoft products for me how the Mac stuff works on the system is king. is there anything I need google maps for now. nope. Is there anything I can't do on pages etc nope.
 
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shapesinaframe said:
Chess has been a part of an Apple computer since Microchess in 1978 on Apple II, the first game for personal computers and sold over 50k copies.

Chess.app dates back to 1989 on NextStep 1.0. Ported to Mac OS X in 1999.

It’s a game that has been played for over 1000 years, so yeah, I guess we’re stuck with it.

It’s like the chime on startup. It’s part of the experience and history. Think of it like old family heirloom, you might not have any use for it but others might and there is probably a story behind why it’s still there.

apple.fandom.com

Microchess

Microchess is a game developed by Peter R. Jennings for the Apple-1 and Apple II series, as well as many other early personal computer systems. It is believed to be the first commercially-available game for personal computers. Jennings first developed Microchess for the KIM-1, a demonstration...
apple.fandom.com apple.fandom.com
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Chess

Chess is a game based on the board game of the same name and distributed by Apple as part of macOS. When first launched, the user is presented with an option to download a 1.2 GB library to enable speech recognition. The user can select a variant of Chess gameplay for new games, including...
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I agree BUT I also think we should be able to delete any application we want. Apple shouldn’t force us to keep their apps installed by putting them on a read-only volume
 
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I frequently need to look up addresses in my job, and in the city and suburbs, Apple Maps has been more reliable for me than Google Maps has, which has pointed to places in entirely different suburbs from the actual address multiple times. I don't even bother with Google Maps anymore. I'm sure Google Maps would be better in some places, but here in Australia, Apple Maps is quality. In the years I've been using it, there have been three navigation errors. I reported them, and they were fixed quickly. Quickly.

I would bitterly resent being forced off iWork and onto Microsoft Office. I used to think that the only reason people used it was because everyone else used it after I tried it in the 90s; now I just ignore it. Back then, I used WordPerfect and Quattro Pro, now Pages and Numbers do everything I want, quickly and cleanly.

I'm not going to tell you that you have to start using Apple Maps or stop using MS Office. If they're the tools that work well for you, great! More power to you. So please don't try to take ours away, thanks.
 
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Padre_Pio said:
Has Grapher changed in the last decade? How much work you think Apple is putting into it?
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Honest answer I don't know.

I used it the last time many decades ago.

I just cannot remember what was there in Grapher at that time.

Someone mentioned above the Mac Chess App is kind of a museum artefact or heirloom and should be seen like that.

Apple should have a folder somewhere: /Applications/Museum/
 
Siliconguy said:
You misunderstand. I have no objection to Apple shipping a selection of apps standard. The complaint is you can't get rid of the ones you find to be useless, and this is even worse since they got rid of Launchpad. That at least did let you set up a menu of programs you actually use.

Now the Applications menu is overly long and cluttered with useless-to-me apps. And they can't be deleted. On the iPad many of them can be deleted, (Messages being one example.) On a Mac mini with no camera why are Photo Booth and FaceTime not deletable? Find My Mac I can make an argument that it should not be deletable, but Stickies? Come on already.
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What would be good to have (I already see it coming: I get so many angry smilies but I have a thick skin made of Teflon and nothing sticks):

Why doesn't Apple ship a base version and later one can in a controlled and clean way, from the App Store, download all the applications they need:

e.g. I have absolute no need for GarageBand.

Stickies.

I use that beast literally every day.

You may not.

It would make sense I install it from the AppStore and you don't.
 
Refractor said:
What would be good to have (I already see it coming: I get so many angry smilies but I have a thick skin made of Teflon and nothing sticks):

Why doesn't Apple ship a base version and later one can in a controlled and clean way, from the App Store, download all the applications they need:

e.g. I have absolute no need for GarageBand.

Stickies.

I use that beast literally every day.

You may not.

It would make sense I install it from the AppStore and you don't.
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You seem to live in your own bubble. I mean, who doesn't? But I don't understand why imposing your personal choices on everyone would seem to solve anything. I also don't know why you telling a forum you have a thick skin made of Teflon matters in a discussion on default apps? Who cares?
 
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matteomigliaccio said:
You seem to live in your own bubble. I mean, who doesn't? But I don't understand why imposing your personal choices on everyone would seem to solve anything. I also don't know why you telling a forum you have a thick skin made of Teflon matters in a discussion on default apps? Who cares?
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You seem to be caring a lot or not? Why respond?

Why should I agree on your personal choice?
 
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Apple Maps is much cleaner looking in the car.

Google's design is confusing as a GPS. Text too small and too much info on screen.
 
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What, you prefer if they kept simple disk operations for Terminal ? 😅
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A few years ago I could access my memory card of my pocket camera via the Terminal.

But this all changed.

I cannot remember which macOS version.

But it took me a whole afternoon until I realised the thing now appears in the Photo App and there is no way to Unix 'mount' the SD card.

I have got no idea why they did it.
 
Refractor said:
I nearly fell off my chair.

I didn't know that Apple ships macOS 26 with "Grapher."

I think I must have used it in 1995 the last time.

And then the damp squib Maps.

Use Maps and you will loose the will to live.

Or let me ask: "Would anyone of you pay money for Grapher or Apple Maps?"

(A case could also be made for Pages and Keynote. Apple should team up with Microsoft and ship every OS with Word or Powerpoint. The last time when I used Word or Powerpoint on a Mac (although many years ago) it seemed to be well integrated.)
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Speak for yourself, but I very much prefer Pages/Keynot/Numbers over the UX-torture that is Microsoft Office.

I too like maps, but google maps obviously works better where it counts (finding the right address, austocomplete in countries with different address formats than the US).
 
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I wish Apple cared more about dead Mac Apps. Through im talking more about legacy apps that lost or will lose support due to Apple transitions like PowerPC apps, 32 bit apps, Intel apps, etc. Like new doesn't automatically include better and not everything needs to be regularly updated. How many updates does an offline word processor need? Or an app to connect to some specialized equipment in a design studio? Like there has to be a middle ground between what Microsoft does (supporting legacy software - to a degree, try running a 16 bit app on a modern 64 bit OS) to what Apple does (dropping it mercilessly). Couldn't they create some sort of virtualized isolated bucket where the app can exist? Kind of a classic mode or something? Technology should serve users not technology itself, if a better and older app exists let the user use it, if there's an app without a modern equivalent let the user use it. The focus should be around the needs and wants of the person using the product, not some product manager sitting in a golden chair in Cupertino.
 
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