Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

[DrJohnnyN]

Anyone know who this gorgeous Asian FaceID model is?

 

[wozmatic]

1) agreed but its what was able to be done now.
2) no one is saying it looks good. sometimes a balance of practicality happens to get the product that's almost perfect out there.
3) I don't disagree with this. However, It used to annoy me that Touch ID would take me straight to the apps when sometimes all I wanted to do was look at the notifications. I know you can swipe down the left side for that but swipe up exists to prove the intent of the user.
4) yes, when it means you have significantly more screen real estate.

Lol you have a 1/2" more screen, apps are gonna be cropped, video is gonna be cropped, photos are gonna be cropped.

It's just not practical.

You agreed with all of my points.

Design is important, but at the cost of function it's a poor execution.

Apple shot themselves on this one.

 

[hank moody]

FACE ID is amazing. Just wait until you experience it

 

[AdonisSMU]

Then replace hate with "I don't like this and will not buy it"

Apple is a company and the objective is profits, make poor products and people will buy others instead.

October 4th will be interesting...

You mean November?

 

[wozmatic]

Anyone know who this gorgeous Asian FaceID model is?View attachment 718230 View attachment 718231

Looks like Shigeru Miyamoto

 

[AdonisSMU]

Lol you have a 1/2" more screen, apps are gonna be cropped, video is gonna be cropped, photos are gonna be cropped.

It's just not practical.

You agreed with all of my points.

Design is important, but at the cost of function it's a poor execution.

Apple shot themselves on this one.

I love what they are doing. Apple gives you the option to bring back the bezels if you don't like the faceID notch when watching videos. You feel strongly about the issues you brought up that were actually valid. I think some of those issues are minor or are better classified as YMMV.

Im basically saying the 4 issues you brought up aren't unreasonable. Im not saying that these issues influences my buying decision or that they materially affect my enjoyment negatively. Many of these issues you brought up Ive thought about months and years ago. Saying I don't disagree is not exactly "agreement"...it usually implies a more nuanced view of the situation.

 

[nviz22]

Apple wouldn't be Apple without Hedy Lamarr. Tesla wouldn't be Tesla without, um, Tesla. The United States couldn't exist without Plato.

But Apple IS Apple, and has broad shoulders of its own, which others do, and will, stand upon. Whoever it was that invented the wheel was raised by someone who used a stick or a rock to crush nuts and berries for the morning müsli.
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Every time I've used it, it has worked perfectly. You must have a clunky iPhone X.

It’s clunky because it requires too many steps compared to TouchID.

 

[flat five]

When i want to see the screen, i press on the power button once without unlocking, couldn't it have been the same here?

with iPhone X, you tap the screen to do the same thing.
tap the screen to wake it up or swipe the screen to unlock it.
(or raise to wake if you want to do it that way)

 

[citysnaps]

Here in Chicago over the past two years there’s been a rash of strong-arm confrontational phone thefts (often at weapon-point) on public transit and on the street. With Touch ID, at least the mugger had to go to the trouble of intimidating you at gun-or-knife-point into pressing the Home button (or knocking you out cold and then putting your finger on the button). With Face ID, all they’d need to do after grabbing it is point it at your face.

And if that's really true, in either case the robber gets your phone.

Or are you saying, you'd rather have the opportunity to resist putting your finger on the TouchId sensor while a gun is pointed at your head?

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

It'll be just like Touch ID. Many said it was crap and wouldn't work right. Then they got to try it and they loved it.

This also happened with AirPods. Everyone insisted they'd fall out instantly. Then they were released and people learned that wasn't the case at all.

 

[jlasoon]

"You have to buy it, to find out how good it is"

-Federighi

 

[Burger Thing]

When they introduced TouchID they never took out the numeral input to unlock. So it wasn't as big of a deal as they're making out. Most people who were against the feature just said it'd not work and they weren't bothered.

Now though they are taking out TouchID to replace it with FaceID so we are losing a material feature we trust and know. FaceID requiring a swipe up after you bring it to your face is already an extra step TouchID never had. Same with Apple Pay, you have to click the side button twice to acknowledge a payment where as before you just had your thumb already positioned on the TouchID sensor when you touched your phone to the reader.

It's inconvenient Craig and that's if it even works as intended. Apple, stop making things more complicated, keep it simple.

They had to switch to Plan B because Plan A: TouchID embedded in the screen didn't work. It would have been clearly far superior because of its user friendliness. Before the announcement of FaceID and its marketed security level, TouchID was certainly regarded to be secured enough. At least I didn't see many posts raising concerns about it.

But to come up with something special for the anniversary they launched the X with FaceID. This technology was intended to be implemented for their Macs, which would have made perfect sense. Instead it was shoehorned into a phone relatively late into the game and not even the supply chain wasn't ready. Hence the Notch, hence the awkward extra steps, hence the existence of the iPhone 8.

 

[MachCrit]

It's gonna be great while wearing a balaclava in Switzerland. Can't wait!

 

[flat five]

You don’t have to press the home to unlock. Just let your finger rest on it.

well, if it's already awake.. otherwise, you do have to press the button.

 

[citysnaps]

They had to switch to Plan B because Plan A: TouchID embedded in the screen didn't work. It would have been clearly far superior because of its user friendliness. Before the announcement of FaceID and its marketed security level, TouchID was certainly regarded to be secured enough. At least I didn't see many posts raising concerns about it.

But to come up with something special for the anniversary they launched the X with FaceID. This technology was intended to be implemented for their Macs, which would have made perfect sense. Instead it was shoehorned into a phone relatively late into the game and not even the supply chain wasn't ready. Hence the Notch, hence the awkward extra steps, hence the existence of the iPhone 8.

No. FaceID will be far more user-friendly.
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It'll be just like Touch ID. Many said it was crap and wouldn't work right. Then they got to try it and they loved it.

This also happened with AirPods. Everyone insisted they'd fall out instantly. Then they were released and people learned that wasn't the case at all.

People just can't help themselves trying to catch Apple with a gotcha. It's kind of funny.

Totally agree with you on TouchId and AirPods. People coming up with outlandish gotchas that never materialized.

 

[Rogifan]

They had to switch to Plan B because Plan A: TouchID embedded in the screen didn't work. It would have been clearly far superior because of its user friendliness. Before the announcement of FaceID and its marketed security level, TouchID was certainly regarded to be secured enough. At least I didn't see many posts raising concerns about it.

But to come up with something special for the anniversary they launched the X with FaceID. This technology was intended to be implemented for their Macs, which would have made perfect sense. Instead it was shoehorned into a phone relatively late into the game and not even the supply chain wasn't ready. Hence the Notch, hence the awkward extra steps, hence the existence of the iPhone 8.

That’s not what Federighi told Gruber. He said Touch ID was plan B. No way would Apple introduce what they feel is the future of biometrics on the Mac first. Also the tech in the iPhone is useful for more than just authentication.

 

[JMO1]

Yea, good ideas! So, it could be that, if I grab the phone from my pocket, holding a finger on the screen (thumb, for instance), then it’ll unlock to the homescreen by the time I raise it because it’s seen, and analyzed, my face so quickly. Then, I could swipe across home screen pages, or do whatever.

I can see why Apple has the ‘swipe up’ feature, as there are times when I just want to look at the lock screen to see if I missed anything. In those instances, if I grab the edges of the phone, and pull it out of my pocket, it’ll ‘standby unlock’ (stay locked, but be ready to unlock to the homescreen the millisecond I start to swipe up), and I can just view/interact with anything on the lock screen.

Does this make sense? It’s fun trying to predict user interactions, and design the software accordingly.

Yup exactly. Apple DM us and we can solve your problems. We are like the Wayne gretskys of your team

 

[Burger Thing]

No. FaceID will be far more user-friendly.

Clearly. Instead of pressing anywhere on the front of the phone and be transferred to your home screen you have to hold it almost straight and level to your face, wait a bit and then swiping up.

I wait for the Xs, thank you very much. For the others, please buy it. I don't want the share price to tank.

 

[Rogifan]

Federighi doesn’t do hardware.

Since when is Apple hardware done independent of software. The notch required changes to iOS. As head of software engineering Federighi was certainly involved in that.

 

[Burger Thing]

That’s not what Federighi told Gruber.

I like Federighi. But what do you expect him to say. Do you think he would be completely honest about everything? These interviews are nothing more than marketing on a more subversive level. Especially with Gruber. Has there ever be one critical question with him? Has he ever pushed deep into a controversial subject? Don't be so naive.

 

[pubwvj]

I don't like the thing about only one face being able to unlock. Multiple people use my devices. This is a big problem.

 

[simonmet]

"Peoples faces will melt away once they see the iPhone X"

Hahaha. One of the funniest comments I’ve read on hear in ages.

I hope Craig sees it and gets a good chuckle out of it.
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It’s uncanny how similar this has been to 2013 with the initial Touch ID launch.

Can’t wait to start using Face ID instead of Touch ID.

You are right. I was just as critical and skeptical then as I am with Face ID now.

I think it’s right and good to be cautious and skeptical however. Would Apple have gone to such lengths to protect our biometrics with secure enclave if we weren’t?

 

[arkitect]

I don't like the thing about only one face being able to unlock. Multiple people use my devices. This is a big problem.

I totally agree.
Right now I have my partner's finger set up as an unlock on my iPhone. In emergencies that could be useful.

If only one face is allowed to unlock… well… that's no good.

 

[Rafterman]

Yes, when you get one. If you happen to be up in the middle of the night, try for 20 minutes to even get in because of the traffic, then find your delivery dte to be two months from now.

Of course, if you manage to get in at within 5 seconds of the store going online (or even earlier), then you might be blessed with an only two week extra delay.

And that is all with popular iPhones with no extra constraining. Can't waaaait to see the delays with this one.

 

[flat five]

you have to hold it almost straight and level to your face, wait a bit and then swiping up.

where are you getting this info?
as far as i can gather, you don't have to 'hold it almost straight and level to you face'.. nor do you have to 'wait a bit' prior to swiping up.

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