Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

[kas23]

I don’t think it is a fair comparison.

When TouchID was introduced, it was an additional feature. You could choose to stick with passcode if you wanted.

With FaceID you are having a well known and familiar feature *removed* and replaced with a new one that people are unfamiliar with. They can’t opt to stick with TouchID.

Not only that, they are removing functionality from the phone. My wife and I use each other’s phone from time-to-time. We have our fingers registered in each phone. Multiple registered faces is not allowed on the new phone. I guess this will be a “new feature” in the future.

 

[citysnaps]

I don’t think it is a fair comparison.

When TouchID was introduced, it was an additional feature. You could choose to stick with passcode if you wanted.

With FaceID you are having a well known and familiar feature *removed* and replaced with a new one that people are unfamiliar with. They can’t opt to stick with TouchID.

And with FaceId you can choose to go back to passcode. Just like you could when TouchId was introduced.

 

[twintin]

I still don't get how Apple thought that FaceID was a good idea, a regular passcode is more secure! Think, you show your face every day in public, what's to stop some group of criminals reverse-engineer some of the Face-ID tech so that they could get all (or most) of the "30,000 data points" of someone's face? Part of the reason TouchID was so great was that your fingerprint is hidden from plain sight and efforts to use your fingerprint to get into your phone are difficult and require serious resources, all some criminals need is a good camera, some program that converts that into a printable 3-D file and a good 3-D printer.

From https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/how-iphone-x-face-id-works/

Face ID is also sensitive enough to tell the difference between you and someone who is wearing a mask of your face. Apple trained Face ID with hyperrealistic masks created by Hollywood studios, ensuring a mask of a person wouldn't be able to fool the Face ID system.

 

[ani4ani]

And a moaning site for Android users who should be posting on their own forum rather than here....

ahhhh...does this forum belong to you?

Just for the sake of balance, lots of folks who post here have IOS and Android devices [me personaly, two iPads, a 6S, Tab 2S and a GE6 - and the iPad Air 2, is the one peice of tech I couldn't get by without] In the main, most have the ability to be constructive in comment either way. You're not supporting a religion you know, we are talking in the main about some consumer product made from some oil based polymers, heavy and precious metals constructed into a telephone!

 

[Gasu E.]

Before going on to add, "…It's not the only thing that FaceID's lasers will melt away." When asked for clarification, Federighi quickly said, "Nothing!" and tried to change the subject.

You are very funny... usually. 3/10

 

[ani4ani]

Not only that, they are removing functionality from the phone. My wife and I use each other’s phone from time-to-time. We have our fingers registered in each phone. Multiple registered faces is not allowed on the new phone. I guess this will be a “new feature” in the future.

Tell your wife your passcode, stare at the phone twice and bingo - problem solved

 

[GaryWatson]

Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

FaceID should allow a custom "duress" expression to be defined that locks the phone, such as sticking your tongue out at it or a huge forced smile or whatever works for you.

 

[617660]

Even without the keynote fail, FaceID just doesn't seem to work as well as TouchID.

 

[magbarn]

Good questions. This is why I have a hard time taking Gruber seriously as a "journalist". My gut feeling is that his livelihood is too tied to Apple for him to be objective enough to ask the question you referenced.

Gruber is basically a spokeshole for Apple at this point. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you..."

 

[mrklaw]

But you can still fall back to a passcode.

But you can’t fall back to what you’re used to (TouchID) which was my point

 

[arkitect]

You realize they can just use the passcode instead, right?

Why is it needed in emergencies? Anyone can use any iPhone to call 911 and dial important numbers without any need for the security code, Touch ID, etc.

Errrm. Thanks captain obvious.

And no, a phone is more than just making calls.

But, yah, thanks again.

 

[coolspot18]

Not only that, they are removing functionality from the phone. My wife and I use each other’s phone from time-to-time. We have our fingers registered in each phone. Multiple registered faces is not allowed on the new phone. I guess this will be a “new feature” in the future.

And how secure is Face ID vs. Touch ID - many banks and organizations have placed their faith into the security of on-device Touch ID. With this major change in biometrics, will banks continue to trust Apple biometrics or will they move to server-side authentication so that they can better control the technology and the risk?

 

[mdelvecchio]

What about the notch? Will that melt away too ?

I dont give a **** about the notch. Caring about it is just an OCD problem for those with nothing else to worry about.

 

[Act3]

I dont give a **** about the notch. Caring about it is just an OCD problem for those with nothing else to worry about.

Ok thanks for your opinion

 

[Brammy]

And how secure is Face ID vs. Touch ID - many banks and organizations have placed their faith into the security of on-device Touch ID. With this major change in biometrics, will banks continue to trust Apple biometrics or will they move to server-side authentication so that they can better control the technology and the risk?

Given the use case you two are talking about, it actually sounds like FaceID is MORE secure. If you have your fingerprint registered on someone's device, what's stopping you from going to a store with their phone and buying someone with their credit card and your fingerprint?

 

[TMRJIJ]

You don’t have to press the home to unlock. Just let your finger rest on it.

Actually there's an option for not pressing the home button to reach the main screen, so with Touch ID the minimum is two actions.

I guess Face ID will have that too.

Except you can change that setting, which I have, if screen is on all I do is touch home button, no need to press to unlock.

Ok, here’s the corrected steps

Touch ID:

1. Go to/Pick up Phone
2. Use Touch ID/Press Home Button

Face ID:

1. GO to/Pick up Phone
2. Swipe up

Either way, you going to be looking at and touching your device. From the OP’s point, using Face ID to immediately go the the Home Screen will make it harder for people who want to see just their notifications. That is the top priority for phones.

 

[AZ63]

Don't expect Apple haters to get the actual device to actually experience the things they complain about. They have a narrative, they won't change their minds about the hate they have.

Perhaps they are Apple lovers who don't want to see their beloved company make a HUGE mistake by removing TouchID. I, for one, won't have to worry about the interface change for years to come as I won't be paying over $1000 for my next phone. I am still loving my 6s.

 

[ChromeAce]

The fact that authorities can unlock your phone by pointing it at you and saying, "What's this?" as you look up at it while detained in handcuffs is enough for any reasonable person to realize this is the biggest security blunder in the history of technology. The only way to fix it is to sense when a user is no longer in contact with the phone (like the Apple Watch) and auto-lock.

 

[doelcm82]

Anyway you spin it, it was a fail. The function failed to open the phone, right? The same thing could happen in real life, rendering FaceID useless. Why they didn’t think about this before introducing FaceID to the world is beyond me.

They probably did think about it. But in their internal testing (in their real lives), the Face ID function worked well. Only in the artificial situation of having to set up a demonstration did it fail (for one phone, but not the other). If your life involves presenting Face ID on stage, you'll have to take extra care not to accidentally disable the feature. If that's how your day-to-day life goes, and you don't want to deal with the extra hassle, you should get the iPhone 8. Really. That's what you should do.

In my day-to-day life, I have to deal with four small children, especially three two-year-olds who like to punch in random numbers into my phone. So I get locked out for a minute, or five minutes sometimes, where Touch ID or even the passcode doesn't work. Extrapolating from your comment, Apple obviously didn't think about people with children when they designed the iPhone to have a passcode or Touch ID, right? They should never have created the iPhone to begin with. Right?

For myself, even though I know that the kids will occasionally disable Face ID if I leave the phone where they can get to it, I'm still planning to get the iPhone X. I think it will be worth it. And I'm not getting rid of the children either. They're worth it, to.

 

[woodynorman]

The fact that authorities can unlock your phone by pointing it at you and saying, "What's this?" as you look up at it while detained in handcuffs is enough for any reasonable person to realize this is the biggest security blunder in the history of technology. The only way to fix it is to sense when a user is no longer in contact with the phone (like the Apple Watch) and auto-lock.

Biggest security blunder in history of technology?? What percentage of Americans will actually be faced with a situation like you presented? Not much.

I would say last weeks Equifax security blunder is a little bigger, with half the American population affected.

 

[doelcm82]

The fact that authorities can unlock your phone by pointing it at you and saying, "What's this?" as you look up at it while detained in handcuffs is enough for any reasonable person to realize this is the biggest security blunder in the history of technology. The only way to fix it is to sense when a user is no longer in contact with the phone (like the Apple Watch) and auto-lock.

Without a warrant, they can't legally use what they find on the phone against you.

If you expect this to happen to you, you should not enable Face ID in the first place. Or practice not looking up when someone asks "What's this?" while you are handcuffed (it could be a fun game, like "Simon Says").

 

[dampfnudel]

Not going to lie, at first I was one who didn't want Face ID, but now after seeing it in use and understanding much better how it works I can say I think this will be better than Touch ID. It will only get better from here as well. I think in future iterations of this once Apple has perfected face scanning, they will also incorporate iris scanning. Then they will also bring back Touch ID in an advanced form.

Yeah, advanced integrated in the display TouchID version 3 could be a year away. Besides the price and reliability of FaceID, that's the only other thing slowing my roll toward getting a X.

 

[MH01]

And with FaceId you can choose to go back to passcode. Just like you could when TouchId was introduced.

Touchid did not do away with the home button and change the way you interacted with your device . Major difference here.

 

[doelcm82]

Given the use case you two are talking about, it actually sounds like FaceID is MORE secure. If you have your fingerprint registered on someone's device, what's stopping you from going to a store with their phone and buying someone with their credit card and your fingerprint?

When you say "buying someone" do you mean a slave, or are you talking about a red-light district situation?
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Touchid did not do away with the home button and change the way you interacted with your device . Major difference here.

It kind of did. Apple got rid of the iconic swipe-to-unlock feature.

 

[FelixDerKater]

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