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Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X
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Has Apple stated anything about taking repeated facial pictures of FaceID scans when an IPx is set as Find-My-iPhone LOCKED?! As a way to report o authorities of a potential theif?
I still don't get how Apple thought that FaceID was a good idea, a regular passcode is more secure! Think, you show your face every day in public, what's to stop some group of criminals reverse-engineer some of the Face-ID tech so that they could get all (or most) of the "30,000 data points" of someone's face? Part of the reason TouchID was so great was that your fingerprint is hidden from plain sight and efforts to use your fingerprint to get into your phone are difficult and require serious resources, all some criminals need is a good camera, some program that converts that into a printable 3-D file and a good 3-D printer.
And a moaning site for Android users who should be posting on their own forum rather than here....
When has Gruber ever asked a tough question to anyone at Apple? He, Rene Ritchie at iMore and Jim Dalrymple always soft-ball questions to Apple and stick to pre-screened questions so they can continue to get pre-release hardware & get invited to events.
I have been changing my tune a bit over the last few days. And since my phone is now 3 years old it could use an upgrade. I've decided to try and pre order an X.
You realize they can just use the passcode instead, right?
Why is it needed in emergencies? Anyone can use any iPhone to call 911 and dial important numbers without any need for the security code, Touch ID, etc.
I remember it being very similar today. There were a lot of people who said that it just wouldn't work or would be too unreliable to be practical. Then there was the ever increasing hysterical use cases for fooling it ranging from making copies of your fingerprint to chopping your finger off and using it on your phone.
You do realize that there are lots of Android users that also use Apple products don't you?
I'm trying myself to hold off comments like this until I've used the phone for at least a week, and in almost every situation. Too soon to fairly compare otherwise.
You have to ask that, really? hahaha
FaceID and the bezel-less screen are the 2 major things that make people buy the X man c'mon...if the 8 also had faceID, more people would be persuaded to buy a cheaper 8/8Plus instead of the X and Apple doesn't want that lol
Have you people thought about what the prices will be next year? With this move, Apple moved away from 700-900 price range, passed the 1000 psychological barrier. Next year most probably the next iphone will be above 1000 also of course. Curious to see what will happen with the 8 though...
I’ve watched my ex with his galaxy 8. He has to take off his glasses, position his eyes in a box on the screen, wait about a second to unlock, and put his glasses back on. I would hate that.Same for me, I figured it'd be like android. But seeing how much effort they put into the front facing camera, I'm on the bandwagon for the X
Who cares? If someone does all that work to get into my phone, they can gladly have it. What does everyone here work for military intelligence or something?
All this fuss -- think about it -- biometric face scanning. How cool is that. We should all just be happy we have something so cool and sci fi like to unlock our phones. I for one am happy to try it out. I don't see the big deal. Many times I end up using a code instead of touch ID anyway, because I haven't used it in a while, have rebooted, my hands are wet/greasy/dirty, etc. So if face id trips up sometimes, big whoop.
The questions aren't prescreened, but the scope of the interview is laid out before hand.
"Craig can give you 20 minutes to talk about FaceID, and nothing else. He does want to talk about the tech demo issue Do you want that?"
People seem to think there is investigative level journalism needed for these things. There were a few questions I thought were good:
- The sunglasses thing. Craig mentioned that most sunglasses will work fine. However, depending on the filters for the lens it may block FaceID
- However, you can disable this portion of FaceID, which, if you are blind you will need to do. So, that cleared up two questions.
- He also said that if an app supports TouchID, it will work out of the box with FaceID.
- Oddly, the one question Craig fell into some sort of a vague script was around what is was like to build their own silicone. That's when I thought Craig danced around the issue somewhat. Were I giving the interview I would have taken the hint that hardware topics weren't going to get an answer.
Gruber is not a journalist, nor has he ever claimed to be one. He has said repeatedly that he feels more like the back page columnist of a magazine than a reporter. There are a lot of criticisms I have with him over the years: He is spending less time writing the long-form pieces I enjoyed reading, and a lot of his linked list items just have a few snarky comments. For this, he gets some serious advertising dollars. This interview isn't one of them. He knew he only had 20 minutes and wanted to ask the questions he felt he had the best chance of getting an answer to.
I also worked in the video game press for a long time as a reviewer and columnist. All types of enthusiast press suffer from the same issues: how do you critically cover an industry where access to these folks is important. Back in the print days it was a lot easier. If some publisher wanted to play hard ball over something, well, sucked to be them. With 12 issues covers a year, if they didn't want to offer up people for the interviews, we'd just go to someone else.
My experience with Apple and other companies is as long as your critique is fair, it didn't really matter for access. Grinding an axe during a review could affect your access, but, I think also a general airing of the grievances during an article is unprofessional. I've found most companies know the issues long before a launch, and so a review that calls it out isn't going to be a problem.
When I wrote about Apple, and I did write some critical stuff at times, the only time I heard from Apple PR about an article was if I had a fact wrong. I forget what I wrote that sparked an email exchange with Apple PR, my editor, and me, but I actually think it was a minor issue. Apple also rarely supplied me a quote, but would give me some information "on background." Which is a nice way of giving me the info EXACTLY how they wanted it quoted, but was very, very, clear it was not be "Apple says, 'blank blank blank'" when anyone who covered Apple who read, "I heard on background" meant that Apple said.
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With Face ID it is 2 steps (not 3). You can pick up phone and look at it simultaneously. So it's 1 extra step. I still think it's cool. And many times I can't use Touch ID because my hands are wet, greasy or whatever.
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And they would be doing this for what reason? Is James Bond carrying an iPhone -- this is a ludicrous scenario. The average person with an iPhone is not going to have someone going to all this effort to get into their phone.
I don’t think it is a fair comparison.
When TouchID was introduced, it was an additional feature. You could choose to stick with passcode if you wanted.
With FaceID you are having a well known and familiar feature *removed* and replaced with a new one that people are unfamiliar with. They can’t opt to stick with TouchID.
When TouchID was introduced, it was an additional feature. You could choose to stick with passcode if you wanted.
With FaceID you are having a well known and familiar feature *removed* and replaced with a new one that people are unfamiliar with. They can’t opt to stick with TouchID.
FaceID is a convenience feature that lets you have a stronger passcode, but an easy way to bypass it if you want. My general advice for security is this:
- If someone really, really, really wants access to your device they will get it. Even with a strong passcode, if someone straps you to a table and starts kneecapping you, how long will you give out? Me: about until the guy raises the hammer.
- If you are routinely in a situation where Face/TouchID could allow an untrusted individual access to your data, no not enable those features. Use the longest, most secure passcode you can use and use only that.
Anyway you spin it, it was a fail. The function failed to open the phone, right? The same thing could happen in real life, rendering FaceID useless. Why they didn’t think about this before introducing FaceID to the world is beyond me.
if it's a huge concern of yours, it appears the option is available.
https://www.apple.com/iphone-8/
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