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You realize they can just use the passcode instead, right?

Why is it needed in emergencies? Anyone can use any iPhone to call 911 and dial important numbers without any need for the security code, Touch ID, etc.
You do realise that at an "emergency" can be something that has nothing to do with phoning 911 ;-)
 
I don't understand the obsessing over the "notch". If something that minuscule bothers you that much, you've got some stuff to work out upstairs. It's not even close to a big deal.

For a device I'm expected to drop £1350 with AppleCare ...... I'm not blind ;)

Just cause it's not a big deal to you does not mean it's a clean design. No need to insult others .
 
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you have to pick up your phone if you need it...so step 1 is needed,or you want to unlocked your iphone in your pants or on the table?!

Yup, I unlock the phone while sitting on the table while I'm working on the computer in many circumstances in order to check a message that just came in, a notification, to quickly launch an app etc. Face ID will require to lean over it or pick it up.

We can talk about it all we want. Bottom line, though, is that Face ID removes functionality that apple itself gave it to us. I could see Touch ID and Face ID co-exist and choose one of them or both, but face id alone?
 
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If you are that afraid of technology you need to live in a cabin in Montana and live like everyone did 200 years ago.
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Interesting. Meanwhile users back on iPhone 5s can wake and unlock their device in one action. Unfortunate compromises, wish Touch ID was included as an option as well.
Everything improves with time Touch ID can be fooled - Face ID is way harder to bypass
 
If you are that afraid of technology you need to live in a cabin in Montana and live like everyone did 200 years ago.
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Everything improves with time Touch ID can be fooled - Face ID is way harder to bypass
I'm afraid of getting nailed by a car in a crosswalk. Do I need to move to Amish country?
 
Yup, I unlock the phone while sitting on the table while I'm working on the computer in many circumstances in order to check a message that just came in, a notification, to quickly launch an app etc. Face ID will require to lean over it or pick it up.

We can talk about it all we want. Bottom line, though, is that Face ID removes functionality that apple itself gave it to us. I could see Touch ID and Face ID co-exist and choose one of them or both, but face id alone?

Agree, I'd like to see the home button and touchid continue, with face id as an option, just like the S8 has done. The S8 user experience is still very good cause the home button was not removed, faceid should be optional
 
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I'm happy for people who like Face ID. For me, I just want the option to do it the "old fashioned way" with a passcode. I hope that is still an option.
 
How long was it for Touch ID?
Hackers got into touch ID on day one by lifting fingerprints.
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Seems like you want Face ID to fail. I can tell you this. Apple values security more over any other feature with the iPhone and takes the consumer protection seriously. Do you really think Apple has not invested the time necessary to ensure this technology is ready for masses? I guarantee Apple's research and development with Face ID is far prepared for those who think they will successfully hack ID. This Company knows what they are doing.

I recall hackers got into the touch ID on day one.
How long before hackers override FACE ID?
 
No one has mentioned it but just watch as Apple implements this Face ID on other products such as iPad and the MacBook and MacBook Pro line.

I love my Touch ID on my 6s works faster than blinking an eye, will Face ID work just as fast? Or will it be slower?
 
The only thing I have to say about the iPhone X is 'a thousand quid'. Really? It can have whatever security is available to earth or alien tech. £1000 for a phone....... right.
 



Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi today joined Daring Fireball's John Gruber on an episode of The Talk Show, where he likened uncertainties over Face ID to the concerns that customers expressed when Touch ID first launched in 2013 in the iPhone 5s.In a discussion that revisited the on-stage gaffe that saw Face ID fail to authenticate his face during Tuesday's event, Federighi said he was shocked when it happened because the feature normally "just works." He went on to say he understands the uncertainty, but that it will "melt away" once people experience the product. "You don't even think about it," he said.

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Federighi went on to say that as much as Apple loves Touch ID, Face ID is "that much better." He confirmed that Apple believes Face ID is the future of biometric authentication, with the caveat that there are settings where different biometric techniques or combinations of biometrics could make sense.

Much of the rest of the discussion covered the same topics that were discussed in Federighi's earlier interview with TechCrunch. Federighi reiterated that most sunglasses work with Face ID, aside from some that have coatings that block infrared. One way around that, he says, is to turn off the "attention aware" feature that requires eye contact for Face ID to unlock.

He also explained why users need to swipe to get past the lock screen of the iPhone X, rather than it opening directly with a facial scan - it's so you can still glimpse at the time, check your notifications, or get to the flashlight without the iPhone opening up to the Home screen. The swipe and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay.

One last little tidbit -- with the feature that allows you to disable Face ID temporarily by pressing the side button and the volume buttons, it also takes a screenshot because the gestures are the same. Apple's looking into fixing that by deleting the screenshot when a press and hold gesture is detected.

Federighi's full interview with John Gruber can be listened to on The Talk Show.

Article Link: Apple's Craig Federighi: Uncertainty About Face ID Will 'Melt Away' Once People Get iPhone X

I can't help but notice the anti-Islamic design philosophy of requiring eyes, nose, and mouth be uncovered. Surprising for a company that puts diversity out there as a core value.
 
Regarding making the model, yeah I imagine it would be difficult. But who knows with special effects and 3D printing, maybe it won't be long until that technology becomes accurate enough and accessible.

Regarding your other points, one would of course have to have the model face ready to go, then steal the phone, turn it off so that it can't be remotely wiped, and bring it somewhere with no data reception to do the face scan.

But again this would only ever happen to high value targets like big celebrities. I'm just posing theoreticals. I think it's important to do when security is involved.

Here's another hypothetical:

Imagine you do all the hard work to build an accurate 3D model of Justin Timberlake's face. You collect all sorts of data and you have the best model-makers in the business. Sure.

Then you actually have steal Justin Timberlake's phone... which might be the most difficult step of all. But let's say you do... and you take it to a faraday location so it couldn't be wiped remotely. Fine.

But when you try to unlock his phone with the amazing 3D mask... and it turns out he wasn't using FaceID at all. He still uses a password!!!

All that hard work was wasted. :)

Ya know... it might be easier to just ask him for his passcode as you're stealing the phone from him.

Besides... didn't Apple say you cannot fool FaceID with a mask?
 
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Yeah.... except that it actually failed twice and then you can see him wiping sweat from his face before trying it a third time on the second phone. Touch ID was a little buggy when it first came out on the 6, then was much improved with the 6s.
 
Yeah.... except that it actually failed twice and then you can see him wiping sweat from his face before trying it a third time on the second phone. Touch ID was a little buggy when it first came out on the 6, then was much improved with the 6s.


Nooo... it worked as it was designed to, just like apple said and which is actually eveident by the video. The device locked out because during set up it read faces of the set up staff (who was not Craig) thus failsaved fed to passcode, just like TouchId does on all phones now if your have like 4 failed attempts. It didn’t fail at all, sadly it was just an unfortunate coincidence
[doublepost=1505600219][/doublepost]I find the people skeptic are probably the people who don’t understand the technology behind how it works, they are assuming its taking a photo and comparing it when in reality it does no such thing
 
Besides... didn't Apple say you cannot fool FaceID with a mask?

In a round about way, but not in any detail.
If the mask is the same physical shape and it had eyes open (not just holes) I don't see why it would fail.
If it's just scanning the physical shape and your eyes open
 
I don't remember any complaints or worries about TouchID if it's going to work or not. The only concern that I heard a lot the first time Apples introduced is security. A lot of questions that time how safe our fingerprints stored on iPhones, or concerns if the government could access the fingerprint data. Fingerprint technology is already a matured technology when Apple integrated it on iPhone. On the other hand facial recognition is a fallable technology. Although Apple has added some layers of technology but a lot of questions how accurate or how safe it is. Considering the fact that it already failed on day one of demo that raises more qiestion. So many unanswered questions and uncertainties about this technology. It will get better that's for sure but it takes time.
Then you remember incorrectly. People called it a gimmick. Said old fingerprint scanners worked horribly etc. A simple "Touch ID 2013 macrumors" Google easily disproves your recollection.
 
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Nooo... it worked as it was designed to, just like apple said and which is actually eveident by the video. The device locked out because during set up it read faces of the set up staff (who was not Craig) thus failsaved fed to passcode, just like TouchId does on all phones now if your have like 4 failed attempts. It didn’t fail at all, sadly it was just an unfortunate coincidence
[doublepost=1505600219][/doublepost]I find the people skeptic are probably the people who don’t understand the technology behind how it works, they are assuming its taking a photo and comparing it when in reality it does no such thing

As they explained it.

It scans the 3D contours of your face shape, from your mouth to eye area I believe.
It will allow for most glasses and facial hair
We assume make up wont matter
As it's just the 3D shape of that area of your head.

Plus it checks (I presume with the normal camera) that your eyes are open.

With that in mind it will be interesting to see just how close to the original it will pass.
A pink face model with fake eyes ?

I hope it's really secure. but I'm still interested just what will fool it.
 
Then you remember incorrectly. People called it a gimmick. Said old fingerprint scanners worked horribly etc. A simple "Touch ID 2013 macrumors" Google easily disproves your recollection.

Exactly.

I remember lots of "Motorola did it first with the Atrix" comments back then.

And also many "Atrix fingerprint sensor sucked" comments too.

:p
 
As they explained it.

It scans the 3D contours of your face shape, from your mouth to eye area I believe.
It will allow for most glasses and facial hair
We assume make up wont matter
As it's just the 3D shape of that area of your head.

Plus it checks (I presume with the normal camera) that your eyes are open.

With that in mind it will be interesting to see just how close to the original it will pass.
A pink face model with fake eyes ?

I hope it's really secure. but I'm still interested just what will fool it.

I’m talking science, yeah it uses laser dot imaging to map a mathematic coordinate model of your face in 3D, which is what it will match when unlocking. And i doubt it, the device uses inferad imaging and laser dot it can probably detect heat, meaning it will be calibrated to the various body heats of the face which is how it cant be fooled by a mask. Obviously if your calibrate it to a mask , the mask will unlock it so that’s no test to make.
 
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