Do you know what lens the FaceID camera is using? Is it wide angle, fish eye, 360 degree? It could very well mean that your face can be seen by the camera with the iPhone X on the desk. All the while, you've got a preconceived idea of what it can and can't do without ever using it.
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Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition
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Do you know what lens the FaceID camera is using? Is it wide angle, fish eye, 360 degree? It could very well mean that your face can be seen by the camera with the iPhone X on the desk. All the while, you've got a preconceived idea of what it can and can't do without ever using it.
Apple users are only just joining the world of oLED and wireless charging!
As for FaceID - Im fine with a fingerprint scanner and headphone jack thanks
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Shame it's in the wrong direction
I’m sure you’d be still using floppy drives if you had your way too.
Saying that you haven't been disappointed by an Apple product makes you an Apple fan. Now, to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that.
I'd been using Apple products exclusively from 2001 until 2013, and I tell you I have been disappointed by pretty much every new Apple product since 2012 (Pencil aside): iOS 7's design, MBPs with soldered RAM, the Mac Pro, iOS devices with little RAM, the removal of features with every subsequent product iteration, that AWFUL keyboard on the new portable Macs, the absolutely ridiculous TouchBar...the list goes on and on.
But just because you personally didn't buy an Apple product for it's trendiness doesn't mean Apple isn't trendy. There's a reason why someone like Angela Ahrendts is at Apple. The company is positioning itself as a fashion/luxury brand, which relies on trends and setting them in particular.
Apple is very much a trend-setter in the industry; it always has been. To say otherwise is simply foolish. In the past, they did this through the brilliance of Steve Jobs's vision and taste. But he's not there anymore and it's starting to show.
Apple's position in the industry as a trend-setter, coupled with their sometimes boneheaded decisions, can lead to the entire industry following their path and leaving less sensible options out ther for us that want them. Hopefully, some companies will decide to NOT follow Apple in everything, like Sammy did with their latest Galaxy devices (actually a reversal, since when the Note5 came out they were in the same "remove, remove" attitude Apple has). But one good influence I see is that everyone is making their devices easy to use, so Apple doesn't have that to themselves like they used to.
Except that Microsoft did it before they did with the Lumia 950. Never had a problem with it once I figured out how to get it to read it. Just keep the Microsoft logo at the top where your eyes are and it works every time.
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Good point. And if they make it by a legal decision in the US that a fingerprint can't be legally used to force you to unlock your phone, we'll see it make a comeback. Somehow, using your face to unlock your phone won't have any legal protection at all from 4th/5th amendment searches.
Don't crow too loud about the headphone jack. The Pixel is evidently dropping it and rumors have Samsung doing the same in upcoming models.
Including both a laser and a ball in a single mouse is as close as that should get. If combining these into a single device improved accuracy and decreased latency, people would be happy for such a product.
Good summary. If it works as reliably as Touch ID then I don't care, as long as it doesn't introduce some new annoyance. Right now only a few people know how well it works so I'm not going to invent possible problems with Face ID. If there are real problems we'll know in a few weeks.
Again, i'm going to keep repeating this as long as people keeping saying "ONE IS BETTER THAN TWO!"
why not both! I want both. I actually think it would be great to be able to require my face unlock AND fingerprint at the same time. two factor authentication is the future. not a single solitary point of failure.
why not both! I want both. I actually think it would be great to be able to require my face unlock AND fingerprint at the same time. two factor authentication is the future. not a single solitary point of failure.
Wow - it's like you're inside my head!
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So Apple has one way and Android has a myriad (of) options?
But wait...
Now Android has one way and Apple has a myriad options?
Brilliant!
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Certainly not. However, you can't get away from the fact that you believe:
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In no uncertain terms, other people are too stupid to be allowed to make their own choices so it should be forced on them for their own good.
However, it doesn't apply do you because like all true tyrants, you believe you are smart enough to understand the options and choose for yourself while it's everyone else who's too stupid to be allowed to live their own life. We have to take away their personal freedom and choice. For their own good.
Trying to use a floppy drive and a fingerprint scanner/headphone jack as a comparison is crazy. I find it amazing the lengths some people goto to defend a companies position.
That's like saying the iPhone 8 is comparable to a floppy drive because who doesn't use oLED now days!
Make no mistake, I think touch ID will re-imerge as the next new feature on a later iPhone. Completely removing touch ID from the iPhone X was smart. Now Apple can reintroduce it to the iPhone in later years and claim it as a new feature if it works under the display. I just don't see Face ID being the only secure method for unlocking a phone, its too slow, and I cant see it getting much faster in later iPhone generations.
Apple copies from Android phone they said
oLED, Wireless charging......What's your point?
you know how silly you sound?Apple copies from Android phone they said
The idea of using facial recognition in some form has existed in smartphones for a few years now, This is not a new concept.
what is new is Apple's implementation of it.
This is what Apple does best. Takes technologies that exist, and figure out a way to make them work very well and usually seemless.
That doesn't mean they invented anything. They're an innovative company. They are NOT an inventive company. Apple has very VERY few inventions to their name. Face unlock, just because it's called "FaceID" doesn't suddenly make it a new concept.
The FaceID wasn’t a solution for an existing problem. It’s a new way of unlocking the phone. They’ve never claimed that it solves any sort of “problem”. Only that it’s quick and easy to use.
If you’re so unwilling to try then so be it.
I don't think it was a matter of TouchID being a problem to begin with. It worked fine for him, but now he is forced to give up something that worked, for a new method that is unproven. This is already causing fragmentation within the iOS platform. Customers must decide whether or not to get the aged iPhone design, to keep touchID or get something that looks like an upgrade, but lose out on the method of unlocking that customers are used to.
This is the argument that I’ve never understood. There’s a more secure way to lock the phone (as Apple claims) and no matter how you look at it, it’s a step forward. Is he expecting Apple to rest on its laurels and stop finding more secure ways of securing his privacy and info?
Consumers want new tech, new innovations and yet they complain when companies give it to them. And that’s even before trying it for himself.
In any case, Apple didn’t point a gun at you to use Face ID. There’s the 8/8 Plus to choose from if you want Touch ID (at least for this 2017/2018 model year). Or you can always buy an android device with fingerprint sensor.
I suppose that depends on how you define a "factor."
When I use 2FA for work email, I use the browser on my phone and a text sent to my phone. All on a single device.
So, yeah. Imo, FaceID+TouchID is 2FA. It requires 2 very different forms of identification to access the secure content on the device.
Thing is, it isn't proven yet. There are barely any videos of it actually working, despite the device being spotted frequently in the public the last few days.
I agree completely with you, consumers definitely want new technology. I am all for that statement, but new technology doesn't always have to come with a sacrifice. Each year I love watching the keynotes from Google, Apple, Samsung, etc to see what new ideas will emerge in our everyday lives. But this year, Apple really confused me with their lineup and offerings. If FaceID is supposed to take over TouchID, then why was the iphone 8 released without it? Some claim lack of sensors, oled panels, etc. But if that's case, then why not wait another year to get supply ready, and evade fragmentation altogether. Now there are 3 different iphones with 3 different cameras, 2 different unlocking methods, 2 different screen types. Now don't get me wrong, I am all about having options and choices. But doesn't that seem a bit sloppy for Apple, especially with all the negativity surrounding iOS11?
Ultimately I feel that TouchID was working perfectly fine up until a new method was announced, and now all of a sudden everyone feels like their Area 51, extra security clearance, personal data has been breached because the lack of FaceID in their current devices. Now its the Holy Grail for so many users in the matter of a failed tech demo presentation?
TouchID/fingerprint readers are the go to for majority of people. While more security is never a bad thing, I'm pretty sure not one person on this thread has had their data stolen because of someone getting into their account via fake fingerprint.
Yeah, though if that was the case, wouldn't there be a super-mouse out there that contained both a ball and a laser?
The arguments for having both Touch ID and Face ID have basically been two: A backup in case one or the other method doesn't work; and freedom of choice. I won't get into the pros and cons of those arguments here.
There is a "superior security" argument, but nobody's making it. The Touch ID fans are happy with their 1:50,000 accuracy. Nobody is complaining about the claimed 1:1,000,000 accuracy of Face ID. But if you combine the two together, you'll have far greater than 1:1,000,000 accuracy.
Yes, within the context of a consumer product like a smartphone. Not everyone likes fiddling with a dozen different knobs and settings. They want their product to just work, and for them, the iPhone represents an integrated computing solution which just works right out of the box, even if it means giving up a bunch of options and versatility which they might not need or particularly care for.
Where do you get the idea that there are a dozen settings needed to be changed or tinkered with on Android? I never understood this foolish ideology. If anything, its much simpler signing to an Android phone. You literally turn it on, sign in with your google account, and bam! DONE. Everything gets synced, apps get downloaded, contacts, email, etc. What else do you think occurs in setting up an android phone?
EDIT: If I turn off wifi or Bluetooth via the toggles, its turned OFF. No need to take extra steps to open up settings, wifi, turn off etc. There are plenty of resources online that show how its even simpler or it takes less steps to do something with Android than iphone lately.
2 factor quite literally means you need 2 forms of authentication.
Not sure what you are trying to say.
Have you never logged into Facebook on your phone and then received a text to the same phone with a 2nd passcode to authenticate? That’s two factor,
There are a lot of forms of it. All 2facor authentication is for is a double security method. And the more security levels you apply, the harder it is for someone else to circumvent it.