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Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition

SCOLANATOR said:
FaceID is impressive, but I still want TouchID. A mix of the two would really be the ultimate security combination.
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There is no way I'm trusting Face ID until it's been in the wild for at least one year. I just don't feel like Apple can be trusted right out of the gate any longer. After iOS 11 and High Sierra Apple has to prove to me any new system before I go near it.

Period. :apple:
 
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marty1980 said:
Would you prefer I update that to THREE-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION? Is that better for you?

I don't understand why people like you have to shut it down with TouchID. I understand the security pitfalls of the technology.

It's not like I'm arguing for Apple to take away FaceID or the passcode. It's not a bad thing for TouchID to remain part of the iPhone and coincide with FaceID and be used in conjunction with FaceID to create a more detailed signature of a person's identity.

If YOU don't like TouchID and it's not secure enough for YOU, then YOU don't need to use it. Personal preferences...

If someone wants a mouse with a trackball instead of a laser and someone wants to sell it to them, then how does that affect you?
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I've come to the realization that Apple has carefully crafted their Reality distortion field to follow a very American style "win at all cost" mentality.

That means, there can only be 1 way to do anything, and that way is the right way and that way is the winning way. Apple pushes this message and this mentality regularly.

its manifesting itself now again with the faceID v ToucHID. FaceID is not a bad thing. adding more security options is great for us as the user. And I get there was a technical limitation here preventing touchID.

But to suddenly think that there can only be FaceID or TouchID and not both? I don't understand why people think this way. if Apple can figure out to have both, we all win. So why do so many people jump immediately ot Apple's defense here and say "FACEID IS BETTER (without usign it), so TouchID is now garbage and so ancient!"

anyone who is currently attacking touchID in favour of FaceID is following Apple marketing hook line and sinker, since faceID isn't even in users hands yet.
 
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FaceID (See Me), TouchID (Feel Me) ... reminds me of The Who lyrics in the album Tommy.

The Who: See Me, Feel Me Lyrics
See Me, Feel Me
Touch Me, Heal Me
...
Listening to you, I get the music
Gazing at you, I get the heat
Following you, I climb the mountain
I get excitement at your feet
Right behind you, I see the millions
On you, I see the glory
From you, I get opinion
From you, I get the story
...
 
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No no no no no!! Ugh. I hate facial recognition. Fingerprint readers are far more versatile and easier to use, imo. I'm not buying into this stuff.
 
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navier said:
This is the next "3D TV", and hopefully deads soon.

TouchID forever!
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3D requires the viewer to take additional effort to see it and even then most people I talk to think seeing a 3d movie is uncomfortable. 3d is cool but it is not something you simply turn on and see, except for the 3DS and even then it required specific viewing angles to achieve the effect.

FaceID requires no effort to work with. Looking at the device makes it happen.

3D TVs and Face ID are not at all comparable.
 
Ralfi said:
Many here won't like this news, seeing as they haven't even used Face ID yet & decided it's a flop...



^Another interesting thing to take out from above article.
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Face ID requires you to do more to use it. You can't just look to unlock to your home screen- you have to swipe. You can't just look to authenticate Apple Pay transactions- you have to double click the side button. It doesn't work from every angle, and getting rid of the home button reduces ease of use for navigating and keeping screen space and interactions separate from home button interactions.

Apple keeps getting rid of features that do NOT need to be gotten rid of, and then requiring us all to buy ugly, annoying, and inelegant dongles to have all the same basic functionality. Devices don't need to be thinner anymore! Reducing thickness was important when they were several inches thick, but now they're all getting too thin to have basic features. Apple has lost its way and I am falling OUT of love with them with almost every product they release (Apple TV 4K being the exception). My 2012 high-resolution MBP likely will be the last Apple computer I buy because of all such decisions they've made, and my iPhone 7 Plus might be the last phone I buy from them.

Get your act together, Apple! "Now you're just somebody that I used to know."
 
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thekeyring said:
Why? I want my phone to unlock / work just for me and no one else.

It's why I set a password. Touch ID was more convenient when that came along so that's what I use now instead of typing in a password every time. If with my next phone I can swipe up from the bottom of the screen because it's recognised my face, then that seems more convenient than Touch ID.
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The number of times I pull the phone half out of my pocket or just keep it under the table to open and read/reply to a notification in meetings or out socializing makes faceid a total failure for me.
 
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MacRumors said:



With its iPhone X debut and the introduction of Face ID, Apple has now tilted interest in the mobile industry away from under-display fingerprint recognition towards camera-based 3D sensing technologies as the ideal user authentication solution. That's according to the latest research note from respected KGI securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

According to the new note seen by MacRumors, inquiries by Android smartphone vendors into 3D-sensing technologies have at least tripled since Apple unveiled its TrueDepth camera and Face ID technology, which replaces traditional Touch ID fingerprint recognition in the iPhone X, set to launch in November.

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Currently, the solutions available to Android phone vendors are said to be from Qualcomm and Himax, Orbbec, and Mantis Vision, with the more mature Qualcomm-Himax solutions attracting the most attention.

Kuo went on to say he believes the next two to three years will see shipments of 3D sensor-equipped Android devices to exceed those with under-display fingerprint recognition by a factor of two or three or more. This will be mainly due to 3D-sensing's wider compatibility with LCD screens than under-display optical fingerprint recognition, which is exclusive to OLED panels, said Kuo.

The KGI analyst also believes Samsung's continual dominance of the high-end OLED panel market over the next two to three years will mean shipments of under-display optical fingerprint recognition will remain significantly capped.

Regular MacRumors readers may recall that some reports claimed Apple struggled to implement under-display fingerprint recognition for its most advanced iPhone to date and instead opted for facial recognition as the exclusive authentication method as a result. In retrospect however, Kuo accurately contradicted that report shortly after it appeared, while well-connected Apple journalist John Gruber has also cast doubt on the assertion that Touch ID had been planned for iPhone X, claiming Apple had been "all-in" on replacing Touch ID with Face ID for over a year.

In an earlier report, Kuo said he believes it will take Apple's Android competitors up to two and a half years to replicate the functionality and user experience of the TrueDepth Camera in the iPhone X. He has also previously said that should Apple's TrueDepth camera prove to be popular with consumers, all of the company's future iPhones are likely to adopt the feature.

Face ID will become available to the public starting on November 3, the official launch date for the iPhone X.

Article Link: Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition
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This guy needs to pipe down.

"I'm an analyst. If I say enough stuff loud enough and often enough, some of it is bound to be right"

Throw enough **** at the wall, some of it is bound to stick. Jeez.
 
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LordVic said:
I've come to the realization that Apple has carefully crafted their Reality distortion field to follow a very American style "win at all cost" mentality.

That means, there can only be 1 way to do anything, and that way is the right way and that way is the winning way. Apple pushes this message and this mentality regularly.

its manifesting itself now again with the faceID v ToucHID. FaceID is not a bad thing. adding more security options is great for us as the user. And I get there was a technical limitation here preventing touchID.

But to suddenly think that there can only be FaceID or TouchID and not both? I don't understand why people think this way. if Apple can figure out to have both, we all win. So why do so many people jump immediately ot Apple's defense here and say "FACEID IS BETTER (without usign it), so TouchID is now garbage and so ancient!"

anyone who is currently attacking touchID in favour of FaceID is following Apple marketing hook line and sinker, since faceID isn't even in users hands yet.
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The inverse is true as well - so many people are already attacking Face ID despite it not being in the hands of users yet. Heck, leading up to the iPhone keynote, so many people were coming up with all sorts of imaginary scenarios where Face ID might prove to be a disaster, and they were all countered by Apple within minutes.

Given Apple's track record with Touch ID, I think they deserve the benefit of a doubt here. If Apple is prepared to replace an established and proven piece of tech (fingerprint sensor) with a brand new alternative, then you can be sure that Apple is fully confident that Face ID is every bit superior to Touch ID.

And you are wrong - having both Face ID and Touch ID would be worse than simply having Face ID on the phone, because the reality is that most users would opt to stick with Touch ID out of a sense of familiarity, thereby negating the improved security benefits that would come with Face ID.

That's precisely what we pay Apple to do - make the best decisions for its users so we don't have to. If you don't like the way Apple does things, that's what Android phones are for.
 
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Abazigal said:
Any company can take facial recognition technology already in the market today and shove it into a phone. But to do it as well as Apple?

This is classic Apple doing what it does best: take an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and delivering a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software.
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Shall we try it first before jumping to conclusions? Not even at pre-order stage?

And I say this as a post jobs Apple TV user, what I consider as one of the worst remote controls on the markert. This is just one example that proves your point invalid. Problem is the previous version was so good.... user experience is becoming an issue..... what jobs was so so so passionate about... the notch and landscape mode, already contradicts your statement.
 
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please22 said:
Now wait for the brigade who have no knowledge of business planning or logistics who will come in and insist that it was all last minute. It has to be because the notch is "so bad" and every rumor they'd read on Macrumors for the past year has to be true. And without trying FaceID, TouchID on the back has to have been better.
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Really? This same guy less than 6 months ago was telling us they had cracked the under screen sensor? [no pun intended]

If they really have been working in the X for more than 5 years [don't believe it personally] and FaceID for as long as they say, then there is zero reason that it wasn't also on the 8 - plenty of room on there with no need for a notch. For the volumes of Macs etc, again why have they just launched with TouchID - would have been a perfect proving ground without the drama of making 100's of millions of units.
 
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They have no clue what’s the future. They don’t have taste.

Let me guess, they’ll put their Face ID version on the back of the device
 
inb4 a gimped version of faceid turns up in an android a year or two from now and we’re told “mine does it cheaper, haha”
 
Eorlas said:
The definition of innovate is to introduce a new product so....you are incorrect.
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No its not

Unlocking your phone by staring at it has been around for years - their supposed "innovation" just makes it more complicated and more costly for 99.9% of users [remember 90% of phones purchased dont have a fingerprint, Iris scanner or face scanning]

Innovation would have been to create a new way of unlocking a phone with none of these methods.
 
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I might be in the minority but I don't think this is good news. I really have grown to like my 6s with finger print reader. I'm still on 9.3.5 so I have what I believe is the 2nd gen which is instant the min I touch the ID button. I love it.

What I hate is I upgraded my iPad to iOS 10 and I hate having to Touch ID button but then also pressing it down as it always gives false readings. It's like a chore to use it touching pressing down touching pressing down. While my iPhone 6s is perfect I touch it and it opens instantly every time all the time, never had a false reading.

I think Apple changed the way Touch ID works in iOS 10 just to aggrevate people into buying the face reader. It worked fine when they first introduced it especially when they made it quicker the 2nd yr like on my 6s.
 
Mike MA said:
Let the market and though the people decide which solution wins.
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Like Steve Jobs once said, if you're Henry Ford and you ask people what they want they will say a better buggy whip, not one of his new fangled contraptions. You have to show people what they want and Face ID will do that.
 
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