Soon we’ll know how good or bad Face ID is. Either way i don’t like this idea that 3rd party developers can use this as well (snapchat is just the beginning…), i’ll continue waiting while using the correct phones (6s, SE, 7 or 8) till they will find a way to implement Touch ID under the screen.
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Apple's Face ID Turns Android Makers Away From Under-Screen Fingerprint Recognition
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The remote's not that bad. I say this as someone who recently just bought a 4k Hisense TV to replace my older TV which had just kicked the bucket. One thing the Apple TV remote is great for is quickly scrubbing through content, something which is a pain to do with the Hisense TV remote with its dedicated directional buttons.
As for the notch and landscape mode, I don't see it being an issue either. I suspect the reality is that most people use their iPhones in portrait mode anyways. The purpose of the notch is really about Face ID. I think Apple wants people to see the notch, and they want it to be noticeable not hidden, because it informs the user that Face ID is there, it let’s people look there more easily so Face ID works better. Wonder how sensitive attention detection is.
If Face ID works as advertised, the notch turns from a wart to a beauty mark.
Likewise, the design challenge is this: Apple wanted an edge to edge design but if they made whole thing one block at the top they’d have to do the same for the bottom otherwise you’re brain would think this isn’t balanced.
They sort of did that with the iMac but upside down with the chin thing. However, because the iMac is widescreen, it offsets the issue. Also we are all used to things like TVs or Hifi equipment having a bigger bottom section than the top simply to place controls on. We also have architecture in real life buildings that have that kind of bottom bigger than top thing going on. So the iMac can get away with this.
However a mainly portrait device cannot. It’s too thin vertically to get away with an unbalanced top and bottom. It would look strange. So the issue for Apple and the iPhone X was how do we make that edge to edge vertical as well as horizontal without making top and bottom borders that remove the edge to edge concept we are going for?
Apple realised that the majority of phone use is in portrait mode so they felt they could get away with the notch, keep the edge to edge concept going visually and not impair the usage of the phone in the mode that 90% of people use (portrait).
Furthermore, just like great design should, it made the compromise into a feature. Like leather patches on the elbow of a jacket, or ring binding of a folder. Both of which could be seen as unsightly compromises to a design problem but are now seen as natural elements of those products. Apple is likely trying to do the same with the notch and make it into something that separates the design of their phone.
Now if this works and it becomes a success with the public, no other knock off phone will be able to look like the iPhone X. Samsung will not be able to claim prior art. It is a pretty unique shape and size. If this works for Apple it’s a major branding win.
In landscape, I admit it does look a bit odd but I doubt anyone will watch films without the black bars on the side. I mean it’s not as if we don’t already watch films with black bars all over the place anyway to make up for aspect ratios. And let's be honest - who really uses a website on a phone in landscape mode? Hardly anyone really.
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This is yet another solution to a non-existent problem......if someone steals your iPhone...then cannot get it...you phone is still gone.....we all do not work for the NSA or FBI.....the secrecy by apple is an obsession....
You can. That’s exactly why they added the swipe up.I just don’t like FaceID. It looks gimmicky and far less intuitive than TouchID.
It makes a great tech demo (when it works) but I feel like using it day to day would get old quick. Plus I do not like being unable to wake up my device without unlocking. There are going to be a host of situations faceID breaks and the solution is “oh well”.
I feel like we’ve given up a lot to get bezel free devices and I’m not sure the trade offs were worth it.
You can touch to wake, or raise to wake, and look at the lock screen, or touch to wake, or raise to wake, and swipe up to complete the unlock.
Im going to disagree that having options is less secure. No one is saying you have to use all of these options at the same time. Secondly if you do authenticate with them, doesn't that mean you are n^n number of times more likely to be safe if you use two factor, three factor etc...? Some people have a preference for certain options depending upon their use case. Why not let the user decide what's best for them? However, I will say that some of the instances where faceID fails touchID does too. So lets say if you are in the cold. Do you cover your hands or your face and hair etc... Apple probably thought about this and realized that going all in of faceID was the best solution in the long run. Faces are harder to fake if done properly etc...
I don't see anything wrong with giving people the option. That in an of itself is another layer of security. Figuring out which method or methods and what level of auth (two or three factor etc) someone uses to authenticate their phone then unlocking it.
This. With any biometric you need to touch the screen or take some affirmative action to express intent. In other words, my phone can be absolutely sure it’s me (using biometrics) but just because I’m me doesn’t mean I agree to purchase that in-app purchase, or that I want my phone to unlock, or that I agree to the amount on the register and want the Apple Pay transaction to happen. So I have to do something to tell the phone “yeah, go ahead with that action.” Seems like the two choices are to touch the device (press a button, tap or swipe the screen, etc) or voice command. TouchID is great because in the process of expressing my intent, the biometric id transparently happens. It’s a single action.
With faceID you have to look at the device (or, even if you turn off “attention,” at a minimum orient the device so it can see your face) and then express intent using a different technique (which varies depending on what you are trying to do).
On the “face of it” this doesn’t seem like an improvement.
I’ll reserve judgment until I have an iPhone x in hand, but I’m concerned.
Monkey see, monkey do...this is hilarious. The S8 already has both fingerprint scanner and face recognition. Apple just completely killed off Touch ID on the X. In six months I bet Samsung will have removed their fingerprint scanner. Yet all of their users will claim they’re “setting the pace”.
Because as I already mentioned above, that's not how Apple operates. Customers pay Apple to make what they believe to be the best choices for them so that they don't have to. Apple is not going to leave in an option they know to be worse than Face ID; else they could just as easily have put a fingerprint sensor at the back of the phone and call it a day.
Certainly a good observation, but based on what we've seen to date it also appears that the discrete usability of TouchID won't be replicated in the FaceID. Everyone is just speculating anyway, so there are no wrong answers.
you are too old .. go to senior houses .
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nah
soon we will plant a chip at birth under skin and no one will need any ID technology anymore.
Great way to hype up 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology from PrimeSense that was abandoned for better internal implementations.
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I hope this works well.
Unfortunately, no one here knows how this will work in reality and how easy/practical it is.
For me, it's how you need to hold/look/position the phone that will be the killer.
And perhaps there needs to be more than one sensor ?
Having to DELIBERATELY hold the phone to your face, See the unlock icon move and then it works is a FAIL.
It needs to work invisibly, from any angle, take the phone out our pocket and as soon as you face comes into view any any angle/distance the phone is unlocked for you, is a WINNER.
It's going to be interesting to see just how deliberate you need to hold the phone in front for it to work when real members of the public get it.
Looking forward to seeing this in the real world
Unfortunately, no one here knows how this will work in reality and how easy/practical it is.
For me, it's how you need to hold/look/position the phone that will be the killer.
And perhaps there needs to be more than one sensor ?
Having to DELIBERATELY hold the phone to your face, See the unlock icon move and then it works is a FAIL.
It needs to work invisibly, from any angle, take the phone out our pocket and as soon as you face comes into view any any angle/distance the phone is unlocked for you, is a WINNER.
It's going to be interesting to see just how deliberate you need to hold the phone in front for it to work when real members of the public get it.
Looking forward to seeing this in the real world
not really , people can still steal data from your phone without stealing it.
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soon it will be hacked using 3D print methods ...
I will try the iPhone X , cause at this point I'm speculating, as we all are.
The Apple TV remote, you can't overlook the glaring useability failures by saying other features make up for it . It fails on the most basic useability element, when you pick it up ..... sorry.
Sadly , excuses aside, it's been judged as as poor design decision. I'd argue that Apple under jobs would have never shipped it as t stands, even worse, they could not be bothered to address the design issue in the 4K unit..... lazy or greedy? Definitely not user experience focus.
Had jobs not comeback to Apple I would argue the cluster **** that was the iPod shuffle 3rd gen would have continued. The mindset of profit first and user experience first....don't go hand in hand today. That's my opinion, and I also respect your viewpoint on this . User experience means different things to different people
Not true, once you look at the phone it’s unlocked. Anyone can swipe up and open it.
Right now I frequently raise my phone, check for notifications or news, then lay it back down. My phone is still secure, because I have not used touchID. FaceID will have unlocked my phone and when I walk away from my desk it will be open to anyone.
Uhhh. You can go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Home Button, then toggle “Rest Finger to Open” to On. Then you wouldn’t need to press the home button to unlock your iOS 10 devices, just need to rest your finger on it to unlock just like iOS 9.
Face ID also requires additional effort - you have to hold it up to your face. If I am in a meeting and want to discreetly check my messages, with TouchID I can unlock the phone under the table without even looking then take a quick glance, with FaceID I would have to hold it up where it can see me, make the appropriate interest expression, then look at the message. Its far less discrete and more effort. No thank you.
I am aware of the criticism surrounding the Apple TV remote. I am simply saying that my experiences with it haven't been all that bad. Maybe it's because every other remote I have handled have been even worse?
I agree that yes, I do get the front and back mixed up from time to time. Else, it's thin and light and the touchscreen on top makes scrolling through content a breeze. Just wish Google would update their youtube app for the TV to support 4k and restore the missing functionality the Android TVs have.
Iris scanner is not easy to fool!
Facial recognition and pattern recognition are simple systems that people can choose to use to prevent any passing person picking up your phone and opening it.
How long from unlock to swipe up does the phone stay unlocked? Have you tried it?
This will soon change after the first idiot causes a multi car pileup killing multiple people, all because he was staring at his phone instead of the road. Tick Tock.
Touch ID is not gone. I think Timmy might be though soon with his September track record of bad press and flubs.
Touch ID is not gone. I think Timmy might be though soon with his September track record of bad press and flubs.