Apple pays peanuts for the A chips as it’s their own design, the camera etc I think could cost more as they are supplied by Sony etc.
But they do like stuffing great spec chips in their devices.
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Apple's First New Low-Cost iPhone Since the iPhone SE Expected to Launch Early Next Year
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Apple pays peanuts for the A chips as it’s their own design, the camera etc I think could cost more as they are supplied by Sony etc.
But they do like stuffing great spec chips in their devices.
If it's not smaller, I don't really see much point of it. Super low cost was a very nice to have in the SE, but it was more about the small size, and the "decent specs for the casing" was a secondary benefit.
We have at least 2 more years on our 3 SEs. I’m waiting for a stand alone/ipad connected cell enabled watch. The other 2 will take either the watch with no phone or another cheap pocketable phone.
I like the idea but just bought the XS two weeks ago so too little to late for me now.
Apple plans to launch a new-generation "iPhone SE" in the form of a low-cost 4.7-inch iPhone this coming spring, sources in Asia have claimed.
Nikkei reports that the new model will be Apple's first low-cost smartphone since the 2016 launch of the popular iPhone SE, which started at $399, and while the name and price of the new model hasn't been decided, "it is viewed as the latest generation of the iPhone SE," according to the paper's sources.
Rumors of a new low-cost 4.7-inch iPhone modeled on the iPhone 8 first appeared in April via Economic Daily News. EDN's sources also claimed the device coming in early 2020 will include an LCD display. In addition, they also claimed it will feature a new PCB design to house Apple's A13 processor, a single-lens rear camera, and 128GB of base storage.
It's not clear if the rumored 4.7-inch iPhone would inherit the notched design and Face ID features of Apple's flagship smartphones, but Nikkei's references to 2017's iPhone 8 suggest it could retain the bordered screen and Touch ID-equipped Home button of that device to keep costs down.
Apple's iPhone XS, XS Max, and XR devices dominate its marketing, but the company continues to offer the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus (starting at $599) as lower cost options alongside the even cheaper iPhone 7 series (starting at $449).
Apple could end sales of the iPhone 7 when its new flagship models launch later this month, which would leave a space in its line-up for a new device that could boost its share of the mid-tier smartphone market. But apart from being new and coming in at a lower price, we'll have to wait and see if comparisons can be legitimately drawn with the much-loved 4-inch iPhone SE of yesteryear.
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For crying out loud, when will the complacent cheapskate device recycling stop? Again, they have the opportunity to radically (re)define the small handset market that has visible popular demand, but Cook would rather resurrect the Newton instead of investing in new tooling and matrices.
I reluctantly upgraded from the SE to the XR, and I'm pretty darn happy with it, other than the size. If this rumour ends up being true, though, I'd hand my XR over to the wife (she likes the video quality over her 7), and re-adopt this smaller size.
Why are you so passionately determined to believe that? Because you have bigger hands and feel that the bigger iPhones are better? That somehow the smaller screen is lacking something? Please explain... because the SE was my favourite phone — size, functionality and performance. No complaints. I love my new XR, too, especially with FaceID and wireless charging, so if they manage to bring those features back to a smaller size, I'd be ecstatic!
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Why a headphone jack? To use your legacy headphones that you already own? No point replacing them with newer ones (that are expensive) just because of the connector? I agree with that for those reasons. But the question is.... would you go out today and buy new headphones with a legacy connector, or would you go with wireless?
8 Page in and no one has even pointed out the what I thought was obvious.
How is a low cost devices with 2019 hardware sitting in the line up priced below the iPhone 8 with 2017 hardware?
Hopefully at least this mean Apple understand there is an important market in $399 to $499.
I think this "low cost" ( By Apple Standard ) iPhone will be a new design, with On Screen Touch ID ( After Patent settlement from Qualcomm ), and skimming cost on Camera and 4G Modem Speed ( Apple's own Modem on trial ). It could be a 4.7" iPhone in a iPhone SE Size. As a 4.7", 19.5:9 Ratio Display would have the same width as 16:9 4" Display.
So depending on how you view it, it is a $499 entry level iPhone, or a much more expensive iPhone SE size with new design.
And just in case you are wondering, this leaves Apple the option to introduce a bigger SE in 2021. ( They could then discontinue the iPhone 8 ) And incidentally a 5.5" 19.5" Ratio Display also have the same width as a 4.7" 16:9 Display.
Edit: One of the good thing about this rumours is if it were true, the chances of Apple Dropping iPhone 7 this year is high and having iPhone 8 Starting in $499, and 8 Plus $599.
And in case the question arise of why Apple don't put FaceID in these model
1. FaceID is expensive.
2. FaceID component isn't going to shrink in half, there is no way to fit FaceID in those Width.
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I wish that is true, but it is not. It is certainly not peanuts by any standards, Fabbing in Leading edge node is expensive. But the Camera cost is definitely increasing faster than any other component.
How is a low cost devices with 2019 hardware sitting in the line up priced below the iPhone 8 with 2017 hardware?
Hopefully at least this mean Apple understand there is an important market in $399 to $499.
I think this "low cost" ( By Apple Standard ) iPhone will be a new design, with On Screen Touch ID ( After Patent settlement from Qualcomm ), and skimming cost on Camera and 4G Modem Speed ( Apple's own Modem on trial ). It could be a 4.7" iPhone in a iPhone SE Size. As a 4.7", 19.5:9 Ratio Display would have the same width as 16:9 4" Display.
So depending on how you view it, it is a $499 entry level iPhone, or a much more expensive iPhone SE size with new design.
And just in case you are wondering, this leaves Apple the option to introduce a bigger SE in 2021. ( They could then discontinue the iPhone 8 ) And incidentally a 5.5" 19.5" Ratio Display also have the same width as a 4.7" 16:9 Display.
Edit: One of the good thing about this rumours is if it were true, the chances of Apple Dropping iPhone 7 this year is high and having iPhone 8 Starting in $499, and 8 Plus $599.
And in case the question arise of why Apple don't put FaceID in these model
1. FaceID is expensive.
2. FaceID component isn't going to shrink in half, there is no way to fit FaceID in those Width.
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I wish that is true, but it is not. It is certainly not peanuts by any standards, Fabbing in Leading edge node is expensive. But the Camera cost is definitely increasing faster than any other component.
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I have small hands, but I too believe it's unlikely there will be another 4" iPhone. The writing is on the wall. It's not popular and developers are moving away from that target. It's yesterday's technology and is being left behind.
Think of the 4" screen as equivalent to 1024x768 monitors for desktops. Nobody wants those anymore, even though they were extremely popular at one time.
I run a lot and the iPhone SE is the ideal size for my pocket/pouch. It’s my first (and, so far, only) iPhone. Most phones are wayyy too big for my use.
If there was a new iPhone the same size as the SE, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
If the only option is going to be a larger one, I guess I’ll hold onto my SE for as long as possible and see what options are available when it stops receiving updates.
If there was a new iPhone the same size as the SE, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
If the only option is going to be a larger one, I guess I’ll hold onto my SE for as long as possible and see what options are available when it stops receiving updates.
Not exactly. If you follow Apple's past practices, you would know that the most likely outcome is that the 8 will be an 8 with a reduced price... possibly in the neighborhood of $400 to $450, without trade-in. The "9" (if I may be so bold as to offer a prediction) will essentially be an 8 in form factor, but with a subset of the innards of last year's XR, or (slightly less likely in my mind, but suggested by the article) possibly a subset of the innards of the new 11, and will be priced at roughly where the 8 is currently priced. The 7 will almost certainly cease to be offered, except as a refurb or from a small collection of resellers.
My speculation about naming this new phone the "9" is also a commentary on Apple's likely plan for obsoleting the "bordered screen" form factor of the 6/7/8 models: if it does indeed materialize, I fully expect this to be the last new iPhone model which does not use an edge-to-edge screen.
And as others have commented... yeah, the SE (aka 5) form factor is almost certainly dead, going forward.
I've heard "wolf, wolf" so many times that I don't care about the rumors anymore.
The 8 form factor is not guaranteed. That's is just what people at MacRumors are assuming.
It may very well be the 8 form factor, but I still think there is a possibility it could be the XR form factor, albeit smaller, to match the XS or 11 Pro, just like the XR is built to match the XS Max.
When MKBHD says "give me a bigger phone", my reply is "Yeah, you know, it's just like your opinion man". If 10% of all iPhones are SE and smaller, then 10% more will be happy to switch to a refreshed small phone.
I'm holding SE, and it's a magical size for a handheld device. If Apple does not iterate on the small phone, I will refresh its battery, Apple will get zeros.
I'm holding SE, and it's a magical size for a handheld device. If Apple does not iterate on the small phone, I will refresh its battery, Apple will get zeros.
I would call it an educated guess, actually. It has become extraordinarily difficult to keep anything a secret, anymore; if there were a smaller form factor version of the X-series phones under development, odds are we would have seen some indications of that by now, in the form of leaks from the usual suspects. In contrast, a new iPhone which is nearly identical to an existing model would almost certainly be able to fly under the radar for a bit longer.
Speaking of plastic phones: the iPhone 5c - "unapologetically plastic," in the words of Jony Ive - is a stunning piece of design, and still a perfectly functional item. It's the only iPhone with a completely flush camera - nothing protruding, nothing recessed. Watch Ive's beautiful video at the 5c introduction.
Looking at stats for the iOS version of the app at work (USA only, 32k devices) less than 1% of our users on on 5/SE sized phones. I think they folks who have them love them but my numbers show very little usage.
The one issue with your point is that even a 5.5 16:9 screen is longer - too large to use single-handedly, and that's a large part of the appeal of the SE.
Some of us don't live our lives on our phones. Maybe the people with small devices don't have any use for your app? Most of my online life is spent on my ipad. The SE is only for when I leave the house (and when I actually remember to take it with me).
The 6S is the last phone with a headphone jack, with a home button and is still supported. But the SE (it has the technology of the 6S) has a smaller form factor and a classic design, a very pleasing design. A very popular design. As shown with the new iPad pros. Apple seems to realize that as well. If there is a new SE in the body of the 8, its pointless. Just lower the price of the 8 bei a few hundred and its done.
BUT, a redesign in line of the current SE, even a bit (a tiny bit) larger to fit a larger screen (not as big as the 6-7-8) would be a killer product, never mind the price. Its not about a cheap phone, its about a phone with a “must have” factor, something missing from the line up at the moment. The Xs was a carbon copy of the X, the X is now for as little as 700Euros in discount shops, thats LESS then the 8+. Because people do not buy them. And Apple is not sharing the iPhone sales any more. There is no doubt that the 6-7-8 series is by far the most popular series, the X-Xs not so much. Too big, too heavy, less features and way to expensive for what you get. Apple can build fantastic devices, look at the new iPad mini, at more then resonable prices. Hopefully there will be a new SE in the design of the old SE, with touch id and headphone jack. $500-600, no problem. But bring something thats an iPhone and not something that looks like a Samsung or Huawei with a bigger notch.
To your first reasons, yes I have a number of wired headphones that don't need replacement. I have Air pods already that I use at the gym and sometimes at work, but I still use my wired headphones when I want to just listen to music at home and can't make a lot of noise. I'll admit I use the port less than I used to, but I also end up in friends cars that only have the 3.5mm connection and I want to play music. Sure that will slowly go away too as time progresses, but I like the fact that the headphones with wires don't have consumable items that go bad eventually like batteries, and wireless protocols that will eventually become obsolete. My headphones from 2003 still sound great and work just as well as they did back then, but will my airpods still work just as well in 2035? I doubt it. That said, I do like the airpods.