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Apple's First New Low-Cost iPhone Since the iPhone SE Expected to Launch Early Next Year
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Well it’s cheap enough to put in a new SE.
At the time they fitted the latest available CPU in the last SE at launch.
But they could fit an A12 and any new SE would fly along!
Kinda keen to see what happens here with a new SE.
If this comes to fruition next year, I may get one. I use my iPad mini 5 for most everything now. Having a big iPhone is no longer part of my modus operandi, and a smaller phone might be work very well. A little too early to get excited much less commit to anything.
The 5c just wasn't what people expected from an iPhone. It's an expensive luxury item, status symbol etc... or atleast it was back in 2012 / 2013 with the iPhone 5 and 5s. NO Android really could compete with that one. Both 5 and 5s were super popular.
For a plastic phone the 5c was perfect, yes. Build Quality was amazing. Main issue was that it was priced to high - it was only 100$ less than a 5s. Last year's model (it was nothing else but an iPhone 5 in a plastic shell) being only 100$ cheaper than the fancy new 5s that brought "forward thinking" technology (as Apple marketed it). And i agree. Gold color turned out to be super popular, Touch ID, 64-bit much faster A7 chip, Camera improvements, True Tone flash etc. Now i miss my first iPhone, i had the gold 5s and i loved it so much. Fantastic phone and i can't believe it still runs iOS 12.
But why do i even bring this up? Everybody knows that. I'm sure it was discussed a lot when it released.
It depends on the type of app of course, but regardless I'm not surprised. They're becoming rare in the wild now, even though the SE even runs iOS 13.
BTW, I have two 4" iPhones actually, but they're just to be used by the kids as iPods and cameras. One is an iPhone 5 I recaptured from a friend before it went to the recycler, and one is an SE my mother-in-law had no use for after we gave her our hand-me-down 6s.
The iPhone 8 is already a great phone. The processor is fast enough for its screen size.
I guess though if Apple wants to break into India, having it as an Indian made only phone makes sense. As does updating the internals.
It’s a shame that Apple isn’t going to make an ‘XR-SE’ though.
I guess though if Apple wants to break into India, having it as an Indian made only phone makes sense. As does updating the internals.
It’s a shame that Apple isn’t going to make an ‘XR-SE’ though.
Apple isn’t going to spend loads on R and D to design an entirely new device for a small segment of people. Not something Apple would ever do.
It’ll end up being an iPhone 8 like device most likely.
I don't think SE was ever about Single Hand usage, it is more of an Entry or Cost saving model, or Affordable as Apple would likes to call it. And by releasing in March, Apple would have two cycles in a year, September cycles for Flagship and Mainstream. Affordable 6 months later.
But then I think most of this is my wishful thinking.
That is how Apple defines the SE. But not for the customers and SE lovers, they simply value the SE not only because it is fairly cheap but also because that phone is so compact and you can use it one-handed.
Except... it wasn’t „being left behind“ when Apple could have done so. To the contrary, their other 4" iOS device just got refreshed three months ago, (iPod touch on 28 may 2019)
I‘m not saying the touch is a big seller. And surely they didn’t spend much development cost on it. It might not even get much dedicated developer support.
But why didn’t Apple just silently cancel it, if they were really serious about „leaving behind“ these small screens? If anything, that might indicate Apple want to keep the display size around, even without currently having a phone in their lineup?
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Simple. Because they had to. It's because of iOS 13. Apple doesn't care about the iPod touch anymore. Neither do they focus on it. But Apple doesn't want to fully discontinue it yet. It somehow still sells. I mean, it's a great music player for the car or for the gym or for the kids. Also it's the cheapest iOS device you can get and some iOS developers use it to test their apps (if they otherwise use an Android phone).
The previous 6th gen iPod had the Apple A8 and 1 GB of RAM (It released in mid-2015 and that wasn't too bad for it's time). That hardware can't just support iOS 13 (primarily it's because of the RAM, the iPad mini 4 also gets iPadOS and that one also has the A8 chip but 2 GB of RAM)
So Apple just went ahead and upgraded the logicboard. They replaced the old A8 with the A10 chip but underclocked it (giving it the performance of the A9 chip), i guess because of the bad battery life. Battery life absolutely sucks with the iPod. They also added another GB of RAM and a 256 GB storage option.
Same look. Same colors. Same display. Same old iPhone 5-like homebutton. Same camera. It's the same thing as the 6th gen. Except for the refreshed chipset. So it can support iOS 13 and Apple can keep it in their line-up. You can't call that refresh a development.
Apple spends more time developing accessories like the HomePod or AirPods. The last real development of the iPod touch was with the 5th gen. For the 6th gen they done a little bit more work and atleast gave it fresh new colors and a slightly improved camera with 8 MP and Slo-Mo Video. I think that was it. Apart from the CPU refresh of course.
The iPod days are over. Every other iPod (shuffle, nano, classic etc) already got discontinued. And so is the 4" SE. I mean, it's still my favorite iPhone look. iPhone 5 / 5s / SE style. They were amazing for the time. But those days are over. These things are so tiny. And while it fits in your pocket and it's very compact, and very small phone also means a tiny screen. And that's the problem.
I loved my 5s when i had one. Now i have the 8 Plus. And to my surprise my local Apple Store had plenty of new iPod touches 7th gen for display when i walked it a couple months ago. I held one in my hands and i couldn't believe how tiny and light-weight they were. It felt like i was holding a toy. Like a chinese fake or a demonstration product Apple would give away for free to companies. It's crazy.
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I bought an iPhone 7+ only because of the dual lens camera. The size is probably bigger than I want but it works. I would likely be happier with a small pocket size phone (with a good camera) and an iPad.
That would be physically about the size of the SE, with approximately a 4.7” screen. I think it would have to have somewhat of a top bezel, though. I think what you’re talking about would satisfy many of those who want an SE2, there are a few diehards though lol.
With iPad Pro taking a similar design to the SE, I’m sure the next iPads will as well. I would love if the phones took that same design. That’s what I like about my S10e, very similar styling although the edges aren’t completely flat and the chamfer is much softer.
I still have my SE and I keep it in an otter box case and use it for light duty in a shipping warehouse. I use it daily actually. New screen, new speaker, and new headphone jack is what had to be done with it since I bought it. Still looks brand new since it’s been in a case it’s whole life.
I still have my SE and I keep it in an otter box case and use it for light duty in a shipping warehouse. I use it daily actually. New screen, new speaker, and new headphone jack is what had to be done with it since I bought it. Still looks brand new since it’s been in a case it’s whole life.
The 2020 5.4” is exactly that, the physical size should actually be a few mm smaller, though a little thicker than the 8.
Apple is in complete touch. There simply aren’t enough of you.
The SE didn’t really sell all that well and most were sold due to it being the lowest priced iPhone, imo. If Apple made an SE-sized XS, it would be $899 and I can’t imagine how few they’d sell at that price
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I would like it to have the latest parts eg A13 cpu, 4gb ram, BT5, etc.
It save cost just make it have a plastic case, make it thicker, LCD, no face ID, button with touchID, headphone jack if possible, a single lens camera but of course improved from the 6S/SE.
It save cost just make it have a plastic case, make it thicker, LCD, no face ID, button with touchID, headphone jack if possible, a single lens camera but of course improved from the 6S/SE.
I think you’ll get almost all that. Probably not the higher dpi though unless the cost increase from a 326—>401 dpi panel is close to zero. It’s all about BOM cost with this model.
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That might make it appealing enough to really hurt sales of the flagship iPhones.
I have used the iPhone SE then upgraded to the iPhone 8. I miss my iPhone SE, it is so compact and very mobile compared to the iPhone 8. iPhone 8 and iPhone 6 do share more or less the same size.
I just enjoy typing on my iPhone 8 more, I agree with you that it is nearly the perfect size.
10% isn’t enough, especially since those 10% are less likely to subscribe to services, because video and games just aren’t as compelling on a 4.0” screen.
But Apple knows not everyone wants a phablet, and next year the 5.8” is going down to 5.42. It’ll be just slightly smaller than the 8 in height and width, but a little thicker. The “11SE” will be about the same size, hopefully a little smaller for all the SE fans out there.
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