Ive actually was in on the new iMac 24" - plus many of the new designs, aren't made over night - they have probably been in the making for some years, just like the Steve was in on the iPhone 5.
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Apple's Former Design Chief Jony Ive to Speak at WIRED Event Next Week
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This is why good analogies are the best descriptive tools. I agree with this one, and would also mention one other thing about catwalk designers. The clothing only appeals to a very small number of people in the first place - even if it's only appealing on the catwalk.
Saying "form over function" implies that a lot of people will consider it good form. I look at this abomination of a redesigned UI starting with Big Sur, and I don't even see good form.
I agree. So does my 14 year old son. Thinks the touch bar is so cool. He’s learning to code on a MacBook 13 with it. SD and hdmi can only ever be that. With an adapter you get so much more functionality. Ive clearly had his time but apple need a strong replacement.
I would love for TVs to change to USB-C as HDMI sucks and is too clunky of a plug BUT it becomes chicken or egg because PS5, Xbox, Switch etc. all come with HDMI still....possibly next gen.
Wonder what he will speak about next week and wonder what will materialize. 🤔
His point is still valid. Most people here know **** about actually what's happening at Apple, stop pretending you do.
You don't know that I don't. You know **** about actually what's happening in my life, stop pretending you do.
Maybe you need new glasses (1) and more business partners (2) ?
1. Then you realize the difference in size and functionality between a 3,5" Floppy Disk and a tiny USB-Stick in comparison to the question of DIFFERENT SOCKETS of nearly the same size – see now? Keep me informed.
2. Then you would FEEL THE NEED of USB-SOCKET in MBAs and MBPs – like many users feel... and maybe you are right that Apple doesn't correct its (wrong) decision.
Just one small hole more here or there – what is the drama – but this handling with adapters for the common use of USB-A 3.1 sticks is made easier by other laptop companies – these companies left Floppy Drives same time as Apple, but keep these useful USB-A-sockets constantly – look at the products of HP, ACER, ASUS and others – glasses will assist you, too
Realize, that Apple make some big mistakes (e.g. 3 error versions of butterfly keyboards), or just think at Apple-MAIL app ? billions of mails are written every day and this app has nearly 20 BUGs that I know from daily work (since many years) and not one has been erased till today – this is UGLY and of LAST CENTURY
– best greetings to Craig ? with the strong remark, that so many NEW FEATURES are FANTASTIC and heavy useful in our daily workflow! That's why we stay at macOS/iOS ?Last statement.
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Deep conversation! ? If your idea of deep conversation is a simple understanding of recent history then you and I have an entirely different perception of deep conversation. Thanks for informing me about people not having to give reasons for their opinions. I’m not entirely sure where I referred to people having to give reasons or proof but hey ho! I’m old enough and wise enough to know how the internet works. Thanks though for your very useful insight!
I dont have too many customer exchanges, but I generally do everything over the cloud. Its much easier to send a customer a link (that I can add/remove from as needed) or just have a shared drive with a coworker. I rarely need to transfer files large enough to require a drive.
Except...
...photographers use SD cards constantly...
...aaaaand...
... having a HDMI port is often a real ass-saver.
One port is better than no port if all you've got at a client / office desk is a monitor with a HDMI cable coming out of it and no dongle available.
Want to plug it into your parents TV? Or the monitor at your mate's house? You can, with no fuss.
100%. The man is hands down the worlds top designer.
Some of the ‘utilitarians’ don’t realise what he realised… that beauty IS a function. It always has been.
People connect with beauty. It’s no coincidence that the iPod outsold all competition despite not being the first, or even the most technologically advanced music player.
When google was working on their first phone, once they saw the iPhone they ordered their project to start again. Apple had moved beyond the utilitarian designs of Nokia and Motorola to bring something so beautiful people literally loved their phones.
Jobs and Ive was a match made in heaven. Both prepared to innovate to reach their goals rather than settle for something any other company would release.
The last Intel MacBook pros probably pushed the thinness too far, but that was because Intel dropped the ball and couldn’t keep innovating at the same rate as the designers. Intels technology got stuck and they are suffering now as a company.
The design of the aluminium MacBook pros from the G4 onwards have been revolutionary for the industry and solidified Apple as ‘different’. Again beauty has a function. The details were beautifully resolved. Everything considered. The fit and finish far beyond the utilitarian plastics of the majority of the industry. And people were willing to pay for that beauty.
Apple is apple because of Jobs, but he couldn’t have done it without Ive. People love their apple products because they are designed better than other companies. People are attracted to beautiful things. Ive knew that and Apple had major hits with his designs.
As Apple progresses without the two of them, they will do well to remember what made the company. Any company can do “function over form”. That’s easy. And it’s the quickest way to turn Apple back in to Dell.
As my wife says “why would you buy a Mac if it’s not beautiful”. That’s the power of design right there.
Like I said, you can fume all you want, there will never be another USB A port on macbooks again. Better to accept it and move on than write me these big multi paragraph rants about it.Maybe you need new glasses (1) and more business partners (2) ?
1. Then you realize the difference in size and functionality between a 3,5" Floppy Disk and a tiny USB-Stick in comparison to the question of DIFFERENT SOCKETS of nearly the same size – see now? Keep me informed.
2. Then you would FEEL THE NEED of USB-SOCKET in MBAs and MBPs – like many users feel... and maybe you are right that Apple doesn't correct its (wrong) decision.
Just one small hole more here or there – what is the drama – but this handling with adapters for the common use of USB-A 3.1 sticks is made easier by other laptop companies – these companies left Floppy Drives same time as Apple, but keep these useful USB-A-sockets constantly – look at the products of HP, ACER, ASUS and others – glasses will assist you, too
Realize, that Apple make some big mistakes (e.g. 3 error versions of butterfly keyboards), or just think at Apple-MAIL app ? billions of mails are written every day and this app has nearly 20 BUGs that I know from daily work (since many years) and not one has been erased till today – this is UGLY and of LAST CENTURY
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If someone wants to buy a machine based on aesthetics, Pros are not for them. They should get an Air.
I ordered one of these because it's a by all indications an absolute beast of a machine for getting creative work done. Is it as sleek as the previous generation? No. Does that fact have any impact on my work? Also no.
They also don't look that bad. I've seen them in stores and they look fine.
Um. I’m a professional Architect. My wife is a professional Interior Designer.
The idea that beauty is separate from professional activities is ridiculous.
Darth Tulhu
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I don't hate Jony Ive, I just disagree with his design choices between 2012 and his departure.
All of my favorite Apple devices were designed by him, including the iPad Pros I love so much and my favorite computer of all time: the iMac G4 (table lamp).
But the Tube Mac Pro, the soldered-down-for thinness MacBooks (Pros), the butterfly keyboards, the TouchBar, the single-port-type Macs, and the iOS7/Yosemite flat design choices were such hard passes for me, that after being all-Apple since 2001 I quit iPhone after the 4s and Macs after my 2012 15" and 27" iMac, which I still use.
I finally came back with an iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro 12.9 combo, and now I'm good to go.
But I AM happy to see that Apple is moving away from his thinness-and-design-at-the-expense-of-functionality paradigm (where it makes sense, like MBPs).
Darth Tulhu
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Agreed.
However, the new MBPs are beautiful AND functional (at least in my objectively subjective opinion, which all "beauty" is). Hell, my 2011/2012 "fat" MBPs are still prettier (again, in my opinion) than ANY laptop not made by Apple in the last 15 years.
The problem with Jony was that his late work implemented the former subjective concept (beauty) at the expense of the objective latter (functionality).
It was like giving a family home 6 foot ceilings because (the designer thinks) it has nice curb appeal, and getting rid of the carport for a bike rack because (the designer thinks) everyone should be riding green transportation to reduce fuel emissions and save the planet.
That's what it was like in 2016 with the TouchBar, no function-row (not even the ESC key!), butterfly keyboard, single-port-type, too-thin-for-proper-cooling, throttle-city MBPs.
Apple can, and historically has, been able to do both: give us beauty AND the BEAST. They just don't all have to be the same machine.
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