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I agree. Ever since Jony left, they started reusing their old designs, and it looks like they're clueless on how to design a good looking device.

(thought it looks like the customers benefit since the new macbooks might be ugly but they brought back features that wouldn't be possible on the thin macbooks prior to them)
Ive actually was in on the new iMac 24" - plus many of the new designs, aren't made over night - they have probably been in the making for some years, just like the Steve was in on the iPhone 5.
 
Ive actually was in on the new iMac 24" - plus many of the new designs, aren't made over night - they have probably been in the making for some years, just like the Steve was in on the iPhone 5.
Didn't know that, thanks.
No wonder people talked about its design so much
 
Ive on his own is like an elite fashion designer making clothing just for the catwalk, not for people to actually wear.
This is why good analogies are the best descriptive tools. I agree with this one, and would also mention one other thing about catwalk designers. The clothing only appeals to a very small number of people in the first place - even if it's only appealing on the catwalk.

Saying "form over function" implies that a lot of people will consider it good form. I look at this abomination of a redesigned UI starting with Big Sur, and I don't even see good form.
 
Unpopular opinion: I’m not a big fan of Apple’s design language after Ive left. The new MacBook Pro’s are thick and ugly. And the old ports are overhyped. Photographers have already moved past SD card and HDMI 2.0 is on its way out to make way for HDMI 2.1

The MagSafe is great though.
I agree. So does my 14 year old son. Thinks the touch bar is so cool. He’s learning to code on a MacBook 13 with it. SD and hdmi can only ever be that. With an adapter you get so much more functionality. Ive clearly had his time but apple need a strong replacement.
 
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Not one with a 15 inch screen. I am a developer. I need a larger screen. And I need it to be as light weight as possible.

A pro can’t really live without adaptors and dongles. The best Apple can do is to give high speed common ports and let professionals adapt it to their needs. And push camera, projector and TV makers to adopt a USB C interface, which Apple failed to do.

It is an unpopular opinion as I said, but these additional ports could have been handled differently. Steve Jobs would not have bought back these ports. He would have made the world change to USB C.
I would love for TVs to change to USB-C as HDMI sucks and is too clunky of a plug BUT it becomes chicken or egg because PS5, Xbox, Switch etc. all come with HDMI still....possibly next gen.
 
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Yes I'm sure your life and Jony Ive's life designing products for Apple are quite similar.
They are.
The life of a lot of parents is quite similar yet there are massive differences in how children are brought up.
What a short sighted answer. Go back to bed.
 
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His point is still valid. Most people here know **** about actually what's happening at Apple, stop pretending you do.
You don't know that I don't. You know **** about actually what's happening in my life, stop pretending you do.
 
You'd probably be arguing the same thing about floppy drives when Apple killed those off.

One thing this company has been very forward looking and instrumental in is killing off old standards before everyone else was willing to admit they need to go but precisely when someone needs to step up and rip off the bandaid.

Good riddance to USB A. It's over. You're never getting it on another Apple laptop again. Accept it.

Maybe you need new glasses (1) and more business partners (2) ?

1. Then you realize the difference in size and functionality between a 3,5" Floppy Disk and a tiny USB-Stick in comparison to the question of DIFFERENT SOCKETS of nearly the same size – see now? Keep me informed.

2. Then you would FEEL THE NEED of USB-SOCKET in MBAs and MBPs – like many users feel... and maybe you are right that Apple doesn't correct its (wrong) decision.

Just one small hole more here or there – what is the drama – but this handling with adapters for the common use of USB-A 3.1 sticks is made easier by other laptop companies – these companies left Floppy Drives same time as Apple, but keep these useful USB-A-sockets constantly – look at the products of HP, ACER, ASUS and others – glasses will assist you, too ;)

Realize, that Apple make some big mistakes (e.g. 3 error versions of butterfly keyboards), or just think at Apple-MAIL app ? billions of mails are written every day and this app has nearly 20 BUGs that I know from daily work (since many years) and not one has been erased till today – this is UGLY and of LAST CENTURY :mad: :apple: – best greetings to Craig ? with the strong remark, that so many NEW FEATURES are FANTASTIC and heavy useful in our daily workflow! That's why we stay at macOS/iOS ?

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This may come as a shock to you and the post your are responding to, but providing you with some deep conversation is not really what the internet is all about. No one has to justify any opinion, no one has to provide any proof. It is just the way it is. I would say if you are looking for some deeper conversation the internet is not going to provide that for you really no matter where you go on it.
Deep conversation! ? If your idea of deep conversation is a simple understanding of recent history then you and I have an entirely different perception of deep conversation. Thanks for informing me about people not having to give reasons for their opinions. I’m not entirely sure where I referred to people having to give reasons or proof but hey ho! I’m old enough and wise enough to know how the internet works. Thanks though for your very useful insight!
 
In 5 to 10 years I would agree to you – but if you are working hard with your MBs and need exchange with others (customers, clients) you never receive or pass over an USB-C-Stick – you take the smallest and cheapest available:

USB-A 3.1 – right?! ?

Maybe you prefer to use an adapter for this purpose ? – don't forget to pass one to customer/client, too?

If you would see Ive's MBP in Modern Art Museum with plugged in all these horrible adapters people needed to keep in basket...
I dont have too many customer exchanges, but I generally do everything over the cloud. Its much easier to send a customer a link (that I can add/remove from as needed) or just have a shared drive with a coworker. I rarely need to transfer files large enough to require a drive.
 
Unpopular opinion: I’m not a big fan of Apple’s design language after Ive left. The new MacBook Pro’s are thick and ugly. And the old ports are overhyped. Photographers have already moved past SD card and HDMI 2.0 is on its way out to make way for HDMI 2.1

The MagSafe is great though.
Except...
...photographers use SD cards constantly...
...aaaaand...
... having a HDMI port is often a real ass-saver.

One port is better than no port if all you've got at a client / office desk is a monitor with a HDMI cable coming out of it and no dongle available.

Want to plug it into your parents TV? Or the monitor at your mate's house? You can, with no fuss.
 
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Jony Ive, the down and out brother of Jason Statham

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The amount of hate towards this guy on this forum is ridiculously over the top.
1) The product design and manufacturing pipeline is so long there is a good chance he was involved in many of Apple's current products while still at Apple.
2) His new company's first customer was Apple. He still consults for them.
3) All of the designs people are praising Apple for after he "left" are direct callbacks to HIS designs over the past decade plus.
Did Apple fly too close to the sun in the name of "thinness"? Yes. Did it influence the entire consumer electronics industry in doing so? Yes! Design outpaced technology and form surpassed function and it's good Apple is course correcting, but give me a break with how much you despised "his designs". You all bought the thin and light products and the majority of Apple fans defended all those compromises until the chickens came home to roost. Stop acting like you never liked his work because as an "Apple fan" you most certainly did.
100%. The man is hands down the worlds top designer.

Some of the ‘utilitarians’ don’t realise what he realised… that beauty IS a function. It always has been.

People connect with beauty. It’s no coincidence that the iPod outsold all competition despite not being the first, or even the most technologically advanced music player.

When google was working on their first phone, once they saw the iPhone they ordered their project to start again. Apple had moved beyond the utilitarian designs of Nokia and Motorola to bring something so beautiful people literally loved their phones.

Jobs and Ive was a match made in heaven. Both prepared to innovate to reach their goals rather than settle for something any other company would release.

The last Intel MacBook pros probably pushed the thinness too far, but that was because Intel dropped the ball and couldn’t keep innovating at the same rate as the designers. Intels technology got stuck and they are suffering now as a company.

The design of the aluminium MacBook pros from the G4 onwards have been revolutionary for the industry and solidified Apple as ‘different’. Again beauty has a function. The details were beautifully resolved. Everything considered. The fit and finish far beyond the utilitarian plastics of the majority of the industry. And people were willing to pay for that beauty.

Apple is apple because of Jobs, but he couldn’t have done it without Ive. People love their apple products because they are designed better than other companies. People are attracted to beautiful things. Ive knew that and Apple had major hits with his designs.

As Apple progresses without the two of them, they will do well to remember what made the company. Any company can do “function over form”. That’s easy. And it’s the quickest way to turn Apple back in to Dell.

As my wife says “why would you buy a Mac if it’s not beautiful”. That’s the power of design right there.
 
Maybe you need new glasses (1) and more business partners (2) ?

1. Then you realize the difference in size and functionality between a 3,5" Floppy Disk and a tiny USB-Stick in comparison to the question of DIFFERENT SOCKETS of nearly the same size – see now? Keep me informed.

2. Then you would FEEL THE NEED of USB-SOCKET in MBAs and MBPs – like many users feel... and maybe you are right that Apple doesn't correct its (wrong) decision.

Just one small hole more here or there – what is the drama – but this handling with adapters for the common use of USB-A 3.1 sticks is made easier by other laptop companies – these companies left Floppy Drives same time as Apple, but keep these useful USB-A-sockets constantly – look at the products of HP, ACER, ASUS and others – glasses will assist you, too ;)

Realize, that Apple make some big mistakes (e.g. 3 error versions of butterfly keyboards), or just think at Apple-MAIL app ? billions of mails are written every day and this app has nearly 20 BUGs that I know from daily work (since many years) and not one has been erased till today – this is UGLY and of LAST CENTURY :mad: :apple: – best greetings to Craig ? with the strong remark, that so many NEW FEATURES are FANTASTIC and heavy useful in our daily workflow! That's why we stay at macOS/iOS ?

Last statement.
Like I said, you can fume all you want, there will never be another USB A port on macbooks again. Better to accept it and move on than write me these big multi paragraph rants about it.
 
As my wife says “why would you buy a Mac if it’s not beautiful”. That’s the power of design right there.
If someone wants to buy a machine based on aesthetics, Pros are not for them. They should get an Air.

I ordered one of these because it's a by all indications an absolute beast of a machine for getting creative work done. Is it as sleek as the previous generation? No. Does that fact have any impact on my work? Also no.

They also don't look that bad. I've seen them in stores and they look fine.
 
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If someone wants to buy a machine based on aesthetics, Pros are not for them. They should get an Air.

I ordered one of these because it's a by all indications an absolute beast of a machine for getting creative work done. Is it as sleek as the previous generation? No. Does that fact have any impact on my work? Also no.

They also don't look that bad. I've seen them in stores and they look fine.
“Fine” is not what made Apple :p

Don’t get me wrong. I’ve got a 14”. But it is not as nice as my previous laptops. If that trend continues it will be bad for apple.
 
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If someone wants to buy a machine based on aesthetics, Pros are not for them. They should get an Air.

I ordered one of these because it's a by all indications an absolute beast of a machine for getting creative work done. Is it as sleek as the previous generation? No. Does that fact have any impact on my work? Also no.

They also don't look that bad. I've seen them in stores and they look fine.
Um. I’m a professional Architect. My wife is a professional Interior Designer.
The idea that beauty is separate from professional activities is ridiculous.
 
seemingly a good deal of people around here dislike him, even though apple's portfolio is built on his artistry
I don't hate Jony Ive, I just disagree with his design choices between 2012 and his departure.

All of my favorite Apple devices were designed by him, including the iPad Pros I love so much and my favorite computer of all time: the iMac G4 (table lamp).

But the Tube Mac Pro, the soldered-down-for thinness MacBooks (Pros), the butterfly keyboards, the TouchBar, the single-port-type Macs, and the iOS7/Yosemite flat design choices were such hard passes for me, that after being all-Apple since 2001 I quit iPhone after the 4s and Macs after my 2012 15" and 27" iMac, which I still use.

I finally came back with an iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro 12.9 combo, and now I'm good to go.

But I AM happy to see that Apple is moving away from his thinness-and-design-at-the-expense-of-functionality paradigm (where it makes sense, like MBPs).
 
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Um. I’m a professional Architect. My wife is a professional Interior Designer.
The idea that beauty is separate from professional activities is ridiculous.
Agreed.

However, the new MBPs are beautiful AND functional (at least in my objectively subjective opinion, which all "beauty" is). Hell, my 2011/2012 "fat" MBPs are still prettier (again, in my opinion) than ANY laptop not made by Apple in the last 15 years.

The problem with Jony was that his late work implemented the former subjective concept (beauty) at the expense of the objective latter (functionality).

It was like giving a family home 6 foot ceilings because (the designer thinks) it has nice curb appeal, and getting rid of the carport for a bike rack because (the designer thinks) everyone should be riding green transportation to reduce fuel emissions and save the planet.

That's what it was like in 2016 with the TouchBar, no function-row (not even the ESC key!), butterfly keyboard, single-port-type, too-thin-for-proper-cooling, throttle-city MBPs.

Apple can, and historically has, been able to do both: give us beauty AND the BEAST. They just don't all have to be the same machine.
 
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