I am 57. I have been listening to corporations for a lot longer than a decade. What they have been saying for the last 10, 20 or 30 years has no bearing on what they are planning to say tomorrow.
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Apple's Greg Joswiak: No Plans to Merge Mac and iPad
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What’s sadder is a large screen device where Apps haven’t had those minor changes that improves the experience.
it is the software that makes them hugely different in experience.
True, but Apple has denied making the Mac touchscreen friendly for over a decade now.
"We've done tons of user testing on this," Steve Jobs said in Wednesday's press conference, "and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical. It gives great demo, but after a short period of time you start to fatigue, and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off."
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Apple has been telling us this since 2010 starting with Steve Jobs.
Which fantasy has the biggest probability of happening:
1. Israel and Iran becoming BFF?
2. Apple releasing a device with two end-user facing Apple operating systems?
Are Windows and macOS an artificial divide?
They shared the same type of hardware and almost all the input devices for 15 years.
The Mac lacks a touchscreen.
The OS and all the applications lacks support for a touchscreen.
Windows and macOS shared almost the same hardware for 15 years, yet a lot of Mac users would say the difference between Windsows and Mac was huge.
Steve Jobs denied a touchscreen Mac in 2010, one year before he died.
11 years later there are still no touchsceeen Macs.
Apple can't make iPadOS behave like macOS since an essential part of macOS is the lack of touchscreen support and a lack of user interface optimised for touchscreen. The important thing is not if the OSes have merged or not, but that the Mac doesn't gain touchscreen support.
As long as Apple sells a Mac with macOS and no touchscreen support I would say they haven't merged.
Yeah, when you want to listen to music, you carry an Ipod. When you want to play a game, you stay home and play PS1 or carry a Nintendo.
Why would you need two devices if a touchscreen, Apple Pencil-enabled Macbook would fit all of them? Or a MacOs IPad Pro?
iPadOS seems like macOS‘s half-baked “tablet-mode”.
IMO, this relates to the classic Henry Ford quote about people wanting faster horses (what’s already available or known) versus something new but uncomfortable that may actually be better.
It is all conjecture until we see what does or doesn't happen.
Apple could add a macOS mode or macOS VM or who knows what that only is usable via a keyboard + trackpad like the Magic Keyboard and only when connected to an external display to prevent themselves from needing to overlap touchscreen support on macOS at all.
They could add it without the requirements I cited a moment ago and intermix it where you're launching macOS apps on an iPad and using the touch interface as is. Less elegant, but it is possible they allow it.
Or anything in between those two extremes that they deem fit.
There is no guarantee that they will add anything at all, but I am convinced they are adding more than nothing. The question remaining is what that more than nothing looks like. They didn't decide to start telling us how much RAM is in the iPad Pro for nothing. Notice they didn't update any other IPP information to include RAM specs? On an OS that manages RAM so aggressively they don't even expose RAM usage to the user.
Apple has been saying this for 11 years now.
They're never going to say they will never do it because they want to keep the option open.
How you do it is very important. It is what separates Windows from macOS too.
Sometimes it is even more important than can I do it.
No.
The argument is that it WON'T ACTUALLY BE BETTER.
You don't carry both an iPod and an iPhone, because the iPhone does music better than the iPod.
When people want to do serious gaming, they do carry a Nintendo Switch because it's better to game on that than an iPhone, iPad, or a MacBook. You wouldn't want to merge a Switch-like console features with an iPhone so that you can game better on a phone. Either the phone wouldn't fit in your pocket or the gaming experience simply wouldn't match the Switch.
Similarly, merging Mac and iPad won't be better at most things it wants to achieve and it adds a ton of confusion to the UX. You think you'll have 0 compromises in a drawing experience on a merged device? You think you won't have any compromises to the experience a Mac currently has? You think holding this merged device on a couch would be better than what you get with an iPad? Think again.
Said stuff being Apple’s proprietary fork of Unix, the Foundation framework, the LLVM compiler, etc.
iPadOS and macOS sharing the same device, side-by-side with instant switching would be trivial for Apple to do. I just hope they are looking into this because it would be a dream on a fully spec’d out new 12.9” iPad Pro.
^This. Apple provides adequate guidelines and they have a vision of how iPad apps are supposed to work. It’s squarely on the shoulders of developers to make that happen.
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You can run Windows on a Mac. The only reason you “can’t” run Windows on a PC is because of the EULA.
umm why would anyone ever think the screen is too small? 😅 thats just weird lol.
the difference is that most dont want a laptopOS on ipad, and likewise dont want a non detachable keyboard.
We dont want an apple surface laptop. A tablet that can do some heavy programs works fine.
also, Heavy work is not really what people make it out it to be. The Ipad would easily overheat.
Thats why we still have laptops. They are actual workhorses. Meant as computers that can do a very large variety of work and programs, including a much more open operating system. Heck, even MacOS is quite terrible at that department. I could argue against macbooks easily, but seeing how 99% here is a mac lover, i think it would be pointless, since we should foremost stick with what we like.
In short, not everyone wants a macOS.
also, why do i feel like i have already written this type of comment before? 🤔
well its quite few who would spend that much anyway.
as for the ipad pro 12.9 at the lower spectrum? yes, the average consumer can definetly get it.
Screen, hardware, useage, and what device youre on can quickly make for a good reason.
We're discussing what Apple will do, not what they can do.
Adding a macOS VM to iPadOS is not merging the operating systems. Making iOS apps run on macOS is not merging the operating systems.
To quote from the Dictionary application in macOS (something which is missing in iPadOS):
merge
combine or cause to combine to form a single entity [...]
blend or cause to blend gradually into something else so as to become indistinguishable from it
I consider it very unlikely this will happen in the next five years.