Everyone on Reddit, Facebook discussion groups, article comments, etc. except for you. No one in their right mind is spending upwards of $2400 to only run mobile applets.
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Everyone on Reddit, Facebook discussion groups, article comments, etc. except for you. No one in their right mind is spending upwards of $2400 to only run mobile applets.
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Wrong ... iPad is not the best iPad, because it's been limited by the OS since 2018 ... everybody and their grandma mentions this. The poor external monitor support, the horrible inability to do basic code on an iPad with major loops and hacks, the file management hell (better now, i think), etc. etc.
Not allowing the capability to dual boot a device like this (note that I support NOT replacing iPadOS, but dualboot) is just plainly a marketing decision ...
Wrong ... iPad is not the best iPad, because it's been limited by the OS since 2018 ... everybody and their grandma mentions this. The poor external monitor support, the horrible inability to do basic code on an iPad with major loops and hacks, the file management hell (better now, i think), etc. etc.
Not allowing the capability to dual boot a device like this (note that I support NOT replacing iPadOS, but dualboot) is just plainly a marketing decision ...
True. Others were saying it and Apple remained silent.Interesting though that none of the examples were ever real quotes from Apple.
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Pages are Keynote changes are not changes to macOS features so those examples don't count.
Dashboard is gone. It was useful to some people (I liked it and used it occasionally) but it's far from a core macOS feature. It's removal does not mean macOS is being "dumbed down" into iPadOS.
Any others?
About the biggest "loss" is being able to run 32-bit applications. That's a concern for some people but also the nature of technology progress. Technology moves on and people will adapt. Just like Apple getting rid of floppy drives or CD drives and so forth. Getting rid of 32-bit applications is not turning macOS into a simplified iOS.
ah, but that's not really how I read the post I was responding to. He was basically saying they wouldn't have fragmented support for certain OS functionality *within that platform*-- unless I totally misunderstood. Though I'm sure my examples aren't big enough to equate to having different flavors of one platform for different devices (there still, for a long time it was just "iOS", and the iPad did have a few things tailored to the bigger screen, though not many.)
Don't get me wrong-- the reason I like the iPad is the platform. I like iPad OS. My suggesting to boot into MacOS is just me being cynical that Apple will enable the functionality within the platform that I want in any time this century.
I just want to be able to do and do easily certain things that are probably better with a more precise input method (could be Apple Pencil-- just that it's not as easy to combine a pencil tap with keyboard keys as it is with a mouse or trackpad tap).
Someone already mentioned adding music and video to their libraries. If I could add music files to the music app (say via the files app, even), and then if I could run the desktop version of the Music app so that I can manage the metadata my music files (adjusting my own collection's categorization and album details, etc), that would knock out one of the areas that give me a need to use Mac OS even for casual use. (I'm one of their iTunes Match / iTunes in the Cloud customers.)
I just get the vibe that Apple would ditch this functionality from the desktop if they thought they could, they just want everyone to buy or rent their music through them.
This has always puzzled me, are you guys really holding your tablets up at arms length suspended in the air? Or are you putting it that far away from you when it's on a desk? When I use my surface pro, or my iPad I typically have them on a table propped up, but they are closer to me than a desktop monitor would be because the screen is smaller. If anything I find using a touchscreen much more comfortable than contorting my hand and wrist to use a touchpad, a touchpad which just adds a level of abstraction. Heck even using my surface pro on my lap is leaps and bounds better because of the touchscreen, I uploaded a video some time ago demonstrating this. But then again the iPad does not have a built in kickstand and has weird ways to accomplish the same thing like the magic keyboard which would never work in a lap, and IMO doesn't work well in a touchscreen scenario due to weight distribution. Maybe because of the lack of a built in kickstand the iPad's are viewed differently and more so as a tablet that you hold up with your hands all the time?
I'm only voicing my personal opinion here, but I would take a touchscreen ANY day over a touchpad, the touchpad wouldn't even be 2nd it would be a distant 3rd behind a mouse. Personally I don't see this as a valid reason why Apple wouldn't make a touchscreen MacOS device. Certainly there are other valid complaints like making MacOS touch friendly and a touchscreen adding to the cost. Heck I'll even accept that you don't want fingerprints on your laptop as a valid scenario.
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Why not? It's capable and exactly same hardware? Why can't I have a laptop that I can use as tablet too? I have tons of desktop apps that I'd like to use on tablet and want the portability of it.
Why can't I attach the 47" external monitor when needed, but use the tablet while in move? I don't understand.. Big Sur already allows you to run the iOS apps...
Why can't I attach the 47" external monitor when needed, but use the tablet while in move? I don't understand.. Big Sur already allows you to run the iOS apps...
I’m the only one in the world that doesn’t want it? Good one 😂
I don’t think you have ever used a pro iPad Pro app. If you had you wouldn’t describe them as mobile applets.
Affinity Photo, for example is a renowned macos/windows Photoshop competitor, just as fully featured. Guess what? The iPad version is identical.
There are plenty of other examples that can be described as thus.
It’s very funny to me how easy it is to completely destroy a trolls argument with a bit of fact.
Wait, aren't they doing exactly that, $2400 (for the highest priced ipad pro anyway) to run mobile applets? Well maybe mobile applets isn't a good descriptor, certainly apps are "programs" too. But "apps" seem to be more simplistic in design with less features than their full OS counterparts.
It was a rhetorical question. The answer is no, you can’t run Xcode on an iPad, or Final Cut, or countless other Mac applications.
Apple also was not sure where it was taking iPad tbh, hence at one point it had dwindling sales and interest in the product was evident. It’s until Apple started to rebrand iOS for iPad as iPadOS and giving it more functionality that it seemed a vision for the future for the product.
Contrary to belief Apple does not always know what it’s doing as it depends on market/consumer sentiment, this have been introduced and scrapped later in products. Example, 3D Touch, Ping, etc.
The question is the 2021 iPadPro has the hardware power on par with a M1 MBA, the question is will it be wasted on the present iPadOS or will WWDC introduce an iPadOS on steroids with most of the functionality of macOS.
Please specifically name one feature in Pages or Keynote that has been removed in the past three years, because a quick look at the feature history only shows additions.
We will ignore that Pages and Keynote are optional applications and not part of the OS, which destroys your assertion of the OS being dumbed down.
This is some serious Double Speak here. He also said the Mac and iPad , he did not say MacOS and iPadOS.
Or that time Phil Schiller mocked big screen phones saying you can't use them as your thumb can't reach all the screen corners one handed.
Isn’t iPadOS a spin-off from iOS. Both have more in common compared to macOS, however with recent updates the lines are blurry.Well, iOS was based off of macOS. So… I guess it’s allll one big happy family
You make some valid points, Apple knows that once a TouchScreen Mac is released the iPadPro is doomed with maybe the exception of iPad mini as it’s a nice portable size.
Want the camera system use an iPhone and the rest on a TouchScreen MBA Connected via Handoff. Have a removable screen and the products have merged. Save a ton of money on developing iPadOS and new iPads.
This would be pretty great. I don’t want a touchscreen on my Mac but I very much could see using an iPad Pro as an “adaptive” device that lets you run a cursor-optimized MacOS alongside a touch-optimized iPadOS.
Someone smarter than me will probably have to weigh in on this, but I would imagine the same machine could just run both side by side, or switching based on whether it’s hooked up to an external monitor or keyboard or whatever.
Yes, but by the same token, iOS is a spin-off from macOS. As well as all of Apple’s other OS’s. At a foundational level, they’re all built from the same stuff.
Some inherent difference between iOS and macOS much bigger than iOS and iPadOS.
At the foundational level? Not all that much. At the User Interface level, VERY significant. And, that’s the primary difference between all Apple’s various OS’s. If you could get to a command line on an iPhone, and AppleTV and compare it to what you see at the command line on macOS, you’d see the same structure.
If you’re just focused on how things “look”, then yes, the iPad took what iOS looked like and extended it to add new non-iOS related graphic features.
Not every app makes it into the App Store. Enterprise development is a thing.
Not my definition. The definition of the people who use the term. The iPad is a real computer, but I also understand why my DSLR is also a real computer.