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The only thing that I love about macOS that can’t really be accomplished on iPadOS is the multiple desktops. I never really see anyone talk about this, but I love being able to have multiple different safari browsers open with different themed tabs and a bunch of different google docs and things of that nature. This level of multitasking just doesnt work for me on my iPad Pro. I’m a teacher and we use Google Apps so I always have a ton of Docs, sheets, and slides open. I use the pencil all the time and airplay my iPad to the board and move about the room freely, so when I’m teaching the iPad is a very powerful tool, but when it comes to managing documents I’m always on my MacBook. I think I could get by with just my iPad, but it would be less convenient and more time consuming.

I say all that to say this, if my iPad could dual boot macOS when attached to the smart keyboard, it would be the holy grail machine for me. Unfortunately I don’t think we will see this. My guess is iPadOS 15 will just be able to run some Mac apps that other professionals use.
You can kind of do this already, but only via split screen multi tasking.
But you can have any number of Safari windows, notes, and other apps with multiple instances open, side by side, then four finger swip to flick between them
 
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I learned this the hard way when using my Note8 and it's very precise stylus on a desktop website and trying to activate and select from a drop-down menu.

It just didn't work right and I couldn't do it.

The limitations go both ways, and I admit the world out there is still older infrastructure and desktop-centric.

This has not stopped the iPhone and iPad momentum though, which is why the iPad is the future: it's similarities to iOS that macOS does NOT share.

I'm in the Mac camp, myself. I find it always awkward and disruptive to have to reach up to the screen. But it's great we have both platforms.
 
They said they "won't merge Mac and iPad". They didn't say they "won't give the iPad some macOS app compatibility or macOS inside the iPad while still offering the Mac product lines".
Universal apps seems strange and less useful if its only for iPad / iOS apps inside Macs and not vice versa, especially when we finally got an M1 iPad Pro with ginormous RAM.

Knowing Apple, they are really masters of wordplays. :)
No. What do you think merging them even means? It absolutely, definitely, without any need for doubt, includes running macOS on iPad. Just stop.
 
Loads and Load

Pages and Keynote used to be very full featured - now they are simplified iOS apps that also run on the Mac

Dashboard used to house thousands of fun and creative and useful apps that now only exist in iOS. Must access the web for things that use to be a quick swipe away

just a quick list there

DASHBOARD?! You're saying the removal of Dashboard a feature about 1% of users still bothered with, with loads of chug heavy dated widgets is simplifying macOS? That's incredible. Ironically this was a daft easy to use simplied feature for new comers - it's hardly for power users.

iWork isn't macOS either is it - it has nothing to do with the OS they're Apple apps.

macOS has not had a single actual pro feature removed every - every single layer of Unix is still in tact, you can use Terminal today just like you could 2 decades ago.
 
no plans doesn't mean the two won't continue to have more and more overlap. It doesn't mean Mac apps won't come to Ipad Pro.

It doesn't even mean the two won't merge in the future. IT just means there isn't a plan for that to happen.
 
I would like the iPad Pro to do everything a MacBook Pro can do, but that will never happen because of $$$.

And the only reason you want the iPad Pro to do everything the MacBook Pro can do is to save yourself $

It would be a hideous compromised experianced. Never in my life have a seen a jack of all trades be better than an item designed to do the job properly.
 
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Consumers unanimously want a device that cost up to $2400 to run MacOS+iPadOS apps. No one is spending that much just to only run mobile applets. It's like building a formula 1 race car for the golf course.

Apple wants to profit off of selling two identical hardware running different OS'.
 
And the only reason you want the iPad Pro to do everything the MacBook Pro can do is to save yourself $

It would be a hideous compromised experianced. Never in my life have a seen a jack of all trades be better than an item designed to do the job properly.
Except if the Ipad Pro ran MacOS and was hooked up to a m/k/monitor then using MacOS would be identical as using it on a MacMini.
 
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Consumers unanimously want a device that cost up to $2400 to run MacOS+iPadOS apps. No one is spending that much just to only run mobile applets. It's like building a formula 1 race car for the golf course.

Apple wants to profit off of selling two identical hardware running different OS'.
Unanimously? Says who? Where are you getting this info from? Macrumours? This thread alone clearly shows it’s not unanimous.

Again, a random internet person just saying it, doesn’t make it true.
 
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Consumers unanimously want a device that cost up to $2400 to run MacOS+iPadOS apps. No one is spending that much just to only run mobile applets. It's like building a formula 1 race car for the golf course.

Apple wants to profit off of selling two identical hardware running different OS'.
yes and no. A lot people just buy one or the other as it is. They don't buy both.



And the average consumer isn't who the Ipad Pro is targeted at.

Professionals will pay $2k for an Ipad Pro if it makes them more $$$$.
 
Except if the Ipad Pro ran MacOS and was hooked up to a m/k/monitor then using MacOS would be identical as using it on a MacMini.

Except a number of things. Ignoring the fact that the Mac mini would be faster due to the fan and the sustained speed (no chance the iPad Pro is even clocked as high as the MacBook Air)

How on earth do you suggest two OS's are managed on the device? How is the drive partitioned, how big does this SSD now need to be, how does the switch happen - it can't hard reboot into each one it'd be horrible. How do you suggest data is managed between both? I assume you don't want to manage to entirely separate OS's so how files being handled between them, what about apps? They don't 100% work in both, even if you had a universal binary that did support both OS's you'd still need some elaborate partition work in APFS to be able to access them from both OS's. Are we now using dedupe to avoid double data? The entire thing would be a nightmare - all to save someone a few quid.

The power might be similar but the iPad Pro is a touch enabled iOS device and the MacBook Air is a macOS enabled notebook - the shared processor is the only thing they have in common in my eyes and should be kept as far apart from each other as possible.
 
Consumers unanimously want a device that cost up to $2400 to run MacOS+iPadOS apps.

No one, apart from you, has ever asked for this. Most people here want to run a botch attempt at macOS on the iPad so they can only spend $1000 on one device.

"Unanimously" 😂

"Identical hardware" as well- christ the only thing they have in common is the processor, literally every other hardware element between the iPad Pro, the M1 MacBook Pro and the M1 iMac is totally totally different. THEY'RE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS ffs.
 
What can't you do on an iPad that you can on the Mac?

And I mean can't, not just "can't do it the same way as on the Mac".

I want to add them to my running list, to see if Apple is going to start checking them off.

They checked all of mine off (in no particular order):

1. RAM amount
2. Processor power
3. Proper output to external monitor
4. Mouse/trackpad support
5. Screen size (they're hitting the bare minimum with 12.9", I want 17")
6. Thunderbolt access to peripherals/external drives
I'm teaching my kid to learn python with pygame library. It is absolute no problem to install Python3+VScode on my iMac. I don't think there is an equivalent way to do it on iPad.
 
macOS offers severely more features than just Terminal access:
- you choose what software ends up on your device, not Apple
- Kernel extensions (e. g. Little Snitch)
- pagefile (if you run low on memory, you can still switch apps without losing your saved state from other apps, which is the main argument that pro users have against mobile devices)
- sophisticated Finder/file management
- best-in-class multitasking
- optimized and workable pro apps for all scenarios

iPad hardware offers you:
- a well protected piece of hardware, going down as small as 7.9" devices and thus most portable one
- independent keyboards (in case of coffee or water spillt over it only requires you to swap the keyboard and doesn't trash your device)

People who change their working place often or travel a lot don't really appreciate carrying multiple devices with them. I myself did that and it is horrible to decide whether I pick my iPad but can't do tasks r-z or pick up my MacBook but its backside gets scratched by bomb detectors from airport security and it being more heavy or generally more bulky, and more prone to damage overall.
 
It's stupid to merge both products or both operating systems. No point. You might think you want it, but you're not going to use it in the long run.

Merging iPad and Mac is just plain stupid.

Good thing we have the harsh name calling out of the way with the first response.
 
Except a number of things. Ignoring the fact that the Mac mini would be faster due to the fan and the sustained speed (no chance the iPad Pro is even clocked as high as the MacBook Air)

How on earth do you suggest two OS's are managed on the device? How is the drive partitioned, how big does this SSD now need to be, how does the switch happen - it can't hard reboot into each one it'd be horrible. How do you suggest data is managed between both? I assume you don't want to manage to entirely separate OS's so how files being handled between them, what about apps? They don't 100% work in both, even if you had a universal binary that did support both OS's you'd still need some elaborate partition work in APFS to be able to access them from both OS's. Are we now using dedupe to avoid double data? The entire thing would be a nightmare - all to save someone a few quid.

The power might be similar but the iPad Pro is a touch enabled iOS device and the MacBook Air is a macOS enabled notebook - the shared processor is the only thing they have in common in my eyes and should be kept as far apart from each other as possible.

YOU're asking me to engineer the thing right now in a paragraph? And if I don't then my point doesn't stand? That doesn't make any sense.

IF you can boot up to Windows on a Mac. Then an Ipad Pro can boot into and run MacOS.


And obviously running MacOS would be virtually the same as running it on a Mac Mini if both were connected to a monitor/m/k.

HOw awkward would it be to switch between iOS and MacOS etc is besides the pt.
 
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Usually when some business tells you their not doing something, they are.

Ex: No, we’re not thinking about putting OS X on the Intel platform, surprise.
We’re not going to make iTunes for Windows, surprise.
We’re not going to make iMessage for Android...

Interesting though that none of the examples were ever real quotes from Apple.
 
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You're not putting the iMac in places where you're walking around a lot. iPad is portable so it can be placed anywhere.

I think one also needs to consider distance to screen when picking the best camera for a device.
On an iPad I usually sit a bit closer to the screen as with my iMac - hence a wider camera angle makes more sense.
 
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