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Apple's Headset Said to Feature 14 Cameras Enabling Lifelike Avatars, Jony Ive Has Remained Involved With Design
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Assuming the EU let's them keep their privacy policies....but that's another threadI think I trust Apple with privacy but for AR, Google and Meta users will be shoving that in front of our faces in public spaces whether we agree or not.
price will be the big thing here. Quest 2 is a great VR headset for a great price. 4 friends of mine have recently bought Quest 2, I bought one (have the original Rift) and the Quest 2 is what I had hoped and wanted when I got the original Rift. Stand alone, wireless, good screen, easy. Apple needs to come in with great features for a great price. I would certainly not pay a premium for an Apple product unless it actually brought something significantly better.
I think that is old, last I heard Quest 2 was in the 60% market share now (from a YouTuber so info may be wrong).
I'm glad I'm not the only one very confused as to who the target audience is for this. It is almost like they are building it just for the sake of building it because someone thought it would be fun to work on and they have a ton of money.
It will probably be a killer demo for in store and with the press. Expect to see front page headlines about how "cool" it is and they will ignore the price. Then about a week afterwards people will start asking, "ok, so what do we do with it?" after 100 people buy it, if that.
It will probably be a killer demo for in store and with the press. Expect to see front page headlines about how "cool" it is and they will ignore the price. Then about a week afterwards people will start asking, "ok, so what do we do with it?" after 100 people buy it, if that.
The confidence with which people claim a product they’ve not worked on, let alone seen or touched or received any firsthand information about, serves no purpose or is destined to fail is truly entertaining.
that would be a good thing ... but then more than ever: what "average consumer" problem is this going to solve?
Hasn't the A-series technology gotten so good and miniaturized that now you can have excellent 3d graphics at low power?
I guess no one remembers the naysayers out in force, making fun of the iPod, and the iPhone, and even the iPad. Yet, they all became huge successes.
I don't understand why people don't have a vision or imagination about what such advances in technology will enable. I'm seeing so much negativity about it, which is surprising in itself. I'll reserve my opinion on the quality of it till it arrives and I can actually make an assessment, but I can say I'm excited about the possibilities.
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I’m skeptical, but I was also that way about the Watch. It wasn’t until Series 3 when I decided it was good enough to buy, and since then it keeps getting better and better and I love my Watch. I never imagined I’d be a daily wearer.
So… maybe v1 sucks and is for some basic tasks, but v3 of this thing might really start to show some cool concepts come to life that are useful. But my guess is that Apple will NOT give up on iterating this thing until it’s an amazing product.
Apple, at least in the last few decades, has been nearly unstoppable (despite some mistakes for which they seem to be correcting), so I’ll trust that they know what they’re doing.
So… maybe v1 sucks and is for some basic tasks, but v3 of this thing might really start to show some cool concepts come to life that are useful. But my guess is that Apple will NOT give up on iterating this thing until it’s an amazing product.
Apple, at least in the last few decades, has been nearly unstoppable (despite some mistakes for which they seem to be correcting), so I’ll trust that they know what they’re doing.
This is interesting. Sounds like Apple's hypotheses for VRs "killer feature" is connection. FaceTime or some variant to be center stage.
I think I agree. I've bought a Quest 2 for myself and co-workers + have convinced my sibling to get one too. My company is fully remote and I'd have to fly to give my brother/sister a hug. I love "hanging out" with them in VR. The medium itself is extremely immersive and, even with the 5cent Avatars, extremely connecting. We always comment on spatial audio and hand sensing bringing a different level of connecting v. a flat Mac/iPhone screen. It really is connecting virtually on a different level.
This is even in line with Meta's stated vision. From Mark Z, "We believe the metaverse will be the successor to the mobile internet, we’ll be able to feel present – like we’re right there with people no matter how far apart we actually are".
Avatars at the forefront of an Apple rOS makes sense. There are a few areas where they can be 10x better than competitors and that is definitely one of them.
Another no brainer - integration into the Apple ecosystem. Let me VR FaceTime my family, surf Safari together, and collaborate on a shared note for a trip we are planning. All while still being able to use iMessage to invite someone else into the experience and get calendar notifications that I've got to leave for dinner with my SO's parents.
If Apple goggles have great hand tracking it could be a computer without physical keyboard, mouse, display... It could have better LIDAR for object scanning.
It is good Ive is involved in designing the goggles.
It is good Ive is involved in designing the goggles.
Too All those blaming Jony Ive here and mocking him, get your facts right, we all are blaming him for no reason. It was the HW Engineering Team's actions. The weaker battery, thinner Macs, lacking ports etc. Jony just designed a product that would enclose their requirements. Also Form over Function brought us the 1984 Mac, the 2007 iPhone, the iPod, and many revolutionary products. So let's not prioritise one over another. We all must understand we are blaming a person, who is not at all responsible. Just because he came in those Advertisements and Product Videos, and said the products are XY mm Thin etc. we are assuming he was the guy behind this. If you think he was behind making products smaller, thinner etc. then let me tell you Mac Pro 2019 was designed by Jony Ive, the iPhone thicker iPhones like X, 11 Pro which were quite thicker than their Predecessors
no?
Ive left Apple to start up his own firm. That firm’s first client? Apple.
So he still does work for them, he’s still probably consulted on every product as described here, and I highly doubt that’s going to change anytime soon
Awful design indeed.Maybe it will charge like Magic Mouse?
I feel like this was written by AI, not merely touched. Just a collection of generic statements bundled together to form a post that gives no insight into why you hold those views.
Have you used VR? Honestly I don’t think it’s hard to see the potential if you do. To date the tech isn’t there as a productivity tool, but it’s not that far off. Having virtual monitors is genuinely great, but it’s hurt by the limited integration of physical objects in your virtual space and the size/weight of the headset. My biggest irritation with the quest 2 is that I can’t interact with my iPhone and Apple watch. I could write paragraphs on the potential and pitfalls of VR/AR uses, but I don’t think you’d be interested in the discussion.
What VR specific privacy concerns do you have compared to a phone that travels everywhere with you and a watch recording your biometric data in the background? I understand the hesitance to tying more activities to a Meta/Facebook account with the Quest, but not the privacy concerns a headset itself unlocks. Are you worried about the outward facing cameras mapping your home, the other inward cameras determining your emotional response to various stimulus? Honestly to have fleshed out privacy concerns for a headset, you have to a pretty optimistic view of the capabilities of VR/MR…
All that said, no gaming focus is a huge mistake. It’s the most complete implementation of VR tech available right now to drive sales while more complicated applications are refined. It’s like launching the iPhone with no App Store and expecting people to use web apps that aren’t ready to perform on par with native apps. The first gen Apple Headset probably won’t be the one to buy, much like the iPhone.
Here I was expecting this to be one Apple’s big splashes into gaming and take it to a new level.
Disappointing news to hear it’s seemingly being ignored yet again. A multi-billion dollar industry and yet Apple is not interested? I will never understand why.
Disappointing news to hear it’s seemingly being ignored yet again. A multi-billion dollar industry and yet Apple is not interested? I will never understand why.
The iPod was absolutely not a massive hit right out of the gate.
It was $400, it was Mac only, it was FireWire.
It took a small Price drop, storage options, a windows client, and the iTunes store before it *actually* took off and became the cultural phenomenon we know it as today.
And even then, most wouldn’t say that it hit it’s real peak until they diversified the lineup with a cheaper smaller version, the Mini, Which later became the nano, which was their best selling model for years.
Same with the iPhone, the first generation iPhone was absolutely not a massive smash.
Sure The potential of it was obvious, it got a lot of press, but in terms of people actually buying them, there wasn’t that many until they started subsidizing them dramatically through carriers and introduced third-party application support.
If by that you mean that it’s lowered in price a year later, and then a version that’s smaller, cheaper, and more practical but with the exact same functionality is introduced a while after that then I’m all for it
Not sure why people haven’t been paying attention but this has to keep being brought up in every discussion on this topic…
APPLE IS NOT MAKING A METAVERSE!!!
Gurman: Apple is not building a metaverse
In the latest edition of Mark Gurman's "Power On" newsletter, the journalist says that you shouldn't expect a metaverse from Apple.
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