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I miss the day when Apple was doing some very clever engineering and design.
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It does matter. This is a huge problem. It’s unresolved. It looks cheap.

It's not even a problem. So it's not flush? So what? It hasn't been since the iPhone 5s. No one cares apart from a few people who's views are unimportant.
 
Yes, it would be awesome to lose one of the best designers in the world, the one responsible for all Apple products you use and presumably care about because you’re here. The one all other companies try to compete against :p
That's a ridiculous statement and all hyperbole and marketing. A line of thinking that Apple cashes in on regularly.
The Apple design team is not fabulous. They are good, that's it. Yes they have released some lovely products.
The Apple hardware team is the division that you might call fabulous. THEY are the ones that make the electronics fit into the ridiculously narrow form factor that the design, (or art), team have put before them.

Honestly probably hundreds or thousands of mediocre designers could mock up a good sketch just as well. The hard part is making all of the innards work within those bounds and within a cost bracket.

Ever noticed how a concept car never actually makes it to production looking like that? It's because they need to make it meet crash regs and production costs and timescales and make it useable.

Have you been drinking the Kool Aid?
 
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You're being sarcastic but he's actually destroying the company. Condescending tongue emoji.
Destroying the company? First of all the company is doing better than ever, but even if it hadn’t just posted record revenues in so many countries/regions (not a record in China, but still up 10% year over year), why would you pin it all on Ive? That’s utterly ridiculous. On what factual basis do you base that on? Or maybe you just pulled it out of... thin air?
 
That's a ridiculous statement and all hyperbole and marketing. A line of thinking that Apple cashes in on regularly.
The Apple design team is not fabulous. They are good, that's it. Yes they have released some lovely products.
The Apple hardware team is the division that you might call fabulous. THEY are the ones that make the electronics fit into the ridiculously narrow form factor that the design, (or art), team have put before them.

Honestly probably hundreds or thousands of mediocre designers could mock up a good sketch just as well. The hard part is making all of the innards work within those bounds and within a cost bracket.

Ever noticed how a concept car never actually makes it to production looking like that? It's because they need to make it meet crash regs and production costs and timescales and make it useable.

Have you been drinking the Kool Aid?
Sure, and along with this sentiment a trained monkey could do Tim Cook’s job, because all Tim is doing is riding Steve’s coat tails.

It’s amazing the thinking here of the low bar of the caliber of person needed to make apple successful.
 
The vast majority of people put their phone in a case so it simply doesn't matter if it protrudes.

I still use my 4s from time to time, it is more beautiful on back than most mobiles on front. And I miss those times, maybe not important but it was nice.

Now if you don’t want to use a case and you dare to use that thing lying at the table, typing, more prone to bending, more prone to scratches on lens.
If there is a very good reason the camera MUST be protruding, I would, somewhat understand. If not, then it makes no sense
 
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If you were on the team that thought it was "magical" design to make the Apple Magic Mouse completely unusable while charging, then good riddance.
 
What a strange way of describing that... Are Zorkendorfer and De Iuliis partners in a job share or something?

It's actually a fairly common way marketers describe such things--at least in academia. When a group of professors retire, I always hear announcements describe the departing staff with phrases like, "Together, these retirees constitute 75 years of collective wisdom and experience at this institution."
 
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Wearing my tinfoil hat now but seems odd given the leaks of the new iPhone which appear to be more functional over form.

Where they wanting to design a better looking iPhone and engineering won this argument.

Ive no longer has Jobs to argue for his designs and pushing the engineering team to push the limits.

That's all design. Engineering just wasn't able to make the camera thin enough. If engineering won the argument. The phones would be twice as thick wiith massive battery life, a headphone jack, no glue, micro SD card and USB C 3.1 Gen 2.
 
Sounds less than positive? Usually when someone says they are leaving to 'spend time with his family', they are either being pushed out, or are leaving because of an issue that makes them hard to stay. Does this mean that the iPhone and iPad are about to gain some much needed weight? Hmm. Stay tuned...
 
"all-powerful", "Industrial designers have the final say over the user experience found with Apple devices"

Is this why buttons no longer look like buttons, and as a result there are times you have no idea where to tap? The user experience should trump design.
 
I'd bet the metallic oval sticking out from the iphone's back keeps out glare.

Like a built-in lens hood. That sort of makes sense, because every manufacturer started doing it. I don’t remember there being a ton of extra light/glare in iPhone 5 pictures, but with photo stuff there are always odd compromises that we never see.
 
Maybe this is the start of the purge that is needed?

I think this is just part of an ongoing turn-over that started roughly mid quarter last year. Just before the financials.

We've seen rumours of someone leaving Apple's higher echelons almost every couple weeks. Including a couple VP's, Major chipset developers, and a few other notable names.

Are these just run of the mill retirements and coincidental, or is it a "cleaning house" after a quarter with financial results that didn't meet expectations? Do these individuals know / see something from internal to Apple that have made them decide to go elsewhere? there are a lot of questions considering the recent rumours of people leaving.
 
I’ve never had a problem with their butterfly keyboard since their release. I physically don’t slam my fingers on the keys to type, or work in filthy environments either.

I have a friend that types hard, though, and he’s had issues. He’d also eat while using it. Once it was fixed, he spilled a little water on it. Fixed it again, and kept wiping his oily face, then typed on it, then ate chips around it, and had to be opened up a third time. Those keys were slick and nasty.

I can see how they’re fragile at times, but I don’t think Apple went into the design process thinking the general user base of multi-thousand dollar laptops would be clumsy, slamming-to-type slobs, so in a way it is indeed an oversight made by the design team.

I've eaten near every laptop I've had, as have many colleagues (sometimes have to work through lunch) in many of the different places I worked and not one of us on the many many different types of laptops we have used have had keyboard failures, except for the MBP with its butterfly keyboard. We are also quite heavy on our laptops as they are work tools not pretty things that we look at and say 'oooooo isn't it thin, aren't the bezels lovely', we work instead. So your comment suggesting that it is user error is at best naïve.

The keyboards on Thinkpads and Dell Latitudes are pretty much indestructible, but on the rare occasion one does get broken they can be replaced in a matter of minutes and the replacements normally cost around £20-30. No need for a 'genius' bar or ungluing of existing keyboard. They are also very comfortable to type on as they have a reasonable amount of key travel and the right amount of resistance to the keys.

Don't do the usual 'it must be the user, not the design' and wake up. The design of the butterfly keyboard is utter crap. It's proven to be very unreliable and its an absolute dogs dinner to type on. The MBP used to have an excellent keyboard, but the design has been compromised to make an already thin laptop thinner. Result, crap keyboard, poor port selection (needs dongles for everything) and cooling issues. Yet Apple persist with this and don't give the user any choice if they want an Apple product - thin and faulty or nothing. Do you hear of any other brand having such keyboard issues? Nope, didn't think so.
 
What are you expecting them to ‘design’ that would be totally different? The Apple Watch, the AirPods and the HomePod are all recent designs, do those count? I’d say they do.
Don’t forget the new iPad Pro complete redesign which is crazy good. But the trolls seem to have short memory spans.
 
Maybe a new design team is taking form. I have been watching a show from the late 90’s and it is filled with the old translucent colored iMacs and they look so cool. While I don’t except Apple to return to that, it would be nice to see a true, fun redesign other than the cold metal they have been using for a really long time.
 
Leaving Apple for greener pastures? No, getting the heck out of the Ive's reality distortion field. Anything is better than having his stain on your resume.
Yes working for the man who created products responsible for revolutionizing entire industries or creating new ones while being the envy of many other companies is SUCH a stain. Keep on trolling.
 
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