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Apple's iPad Battery Replacement Program Forgoes New Battery, Replaces iPad
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There are also people who spend their whole life defending Apple's every move, at any cost. Spewing hatred and venom towards anyone who has the gall to criticise Apple. Those can be found here too.
So, with iPad you'll be able to do 95% of what you can do with your laptop now. It's not a revolution, it's a devolution
So they don't replace the battery, they just chuck the whole device?
Score for environmental responsibility.
Score for environmental responsibility.
I don't see how this shows that they are expecting problems. A battery in any device can go bad. They simply have a policy to deal with the situation if/when that happens.
Regarding multitasking
Someone up there issued a list of reasons not to buy an iPad. One of them was the lack of multitasking.
If you read this site with any frequency, you will see that the next version of the iPhone OS is rumoured to have multitasking as the major advance. You can safely assume that there will be a version of this for the iPad as well shortly after the iPhone version if not at the same time.
So there goes that argument.
However, I can replace that reason with another one, namely:
An innate desire to be technologically challenged and backward while everyone else is going forward and enjoying new Apple innovations and advances.
Stick that in your hat and chomp on it!
Someone up there issued a list of reasons not to buy an iPad. One of them was the lack of multitasking.
If you read this site with any frequency, you will see that the next version of the iPhone OS is rumoured to have multitasking as the major advance. You can safely assume that there will be a version of this for the iPad as well shortly after the iPhone version if not at the same time.
So there goes that argument.
However, I can replace that reason with another one, namely:
An innate desire to be technologically challenged and backward while everyone else is going forward and enjoying new Apple innovations and advances.
Stick that in your hat and chomp on it!
It sounds a lot like there are many things wrong with the first generation iPad.
While I could use a tablet computer, this device sounds like trouble.
I think it's safe to say that there's a substantial amount of difference between your Nokia 2630 and the iPad. That's a little bit like comparing apples and oranges, don't you think?
My point is you can't use thinness as a reason to have the battery non-replaceable. I'm sure it's easily done, but Apple has decided to stop it being done, presumably for reasons of total control of the device.
Or it could be presumably for the reasons that Apple has completely done away with user serviceable batteries. Maximize space for said battery allows for bigger battery. Bigger battery means more power. More power presumably means better user experience. Apple services battery means Apple disposes of battery, presumably properly.
Most of the time the simplest and straightforward reason for something is true, not some quasi-conspiracy theory about device control.
This thread has some of the most ridiculous stuff I have ever read.
Every Apple product that has a battery (outside of peripherals) now has a built-in battery. Every said Apple product has a policy that covers battery replacement. Having a battery replacement policy does not imply there will be major problems with batteries. The success of the iPod, iPhone, and growth of mac notebooks the last year clearly demonstrates that the vast majority of users are not averse to built-in batteries.
I imagine the vast majority of users are never going to use this battery replacement service.
I doubt they will "chuck" the iPads they receive for battery replacement. Like the iPhones and iPods they will be refurbished with new batteries and new outer cases and put back into the system as warranty (or battery) replacements.
Tell me if I am missing something...
I should be grateful that a company that physically prevents you from changing the battery yourself, offers a battery replacement service (that costs money) - because other companies will make you pay for the battery too (but you can at least generally replace the battery yourself, instantly, without having to wait for them to get back to you)?
I doubt that any company, Apple included (without AppleCare), would replace your battery under warranty unless something was seriously wrong, like a sudden loss in capacity. FWIW, HP have sent me new batteries for exactly that reason, to my door, the day after I called. I guess Apple would make me drive hundreds of miles to an Apple Store. I live in the UK.
I haven't had a problem buying replacement batteries for stuff I own - I even have a Compaq laptop from 1999 with a battery produced in, I think, 2007. I don't believe it was official HP/Compaq, but who cares.
if you would follow this site closely you would know that multi tasking was in fact widely expected to be feature of the 3.0 software update. We all that didn't happen. So unless apple annouced it officially I wouldn't swipe it of any list yet.
I don't know that it would count as technogically challenged to not like a product or express why it doesn't fit ones personal needs. No product is made for everyone and while you might enjoy it a lot it can very well be useless to me. No reason to get personal.
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Where does it say that? I think that is your assumption -- and a wrong one too. If it were true you could just take your iPad to an Apple Store, hand over your iPad, and they'd give you a brand new one. But that isn't what happens.
Exchanging the unit instead of the battery is just a more efficient way to get an iPad back to the owner. Bad unit comes in, Apple ships out a refurb. Apple can then refurb the bad iPad at its leisure without inconveniencing the owner.
This is the same way most cellcos (at least in the U.S.) operate their repair program -- they take your non-working phone and give you a refurb. They then send the refurb to the manufacturer for repair.
Sarcasm notwithstanding, from a technical standpoint there is no way Apple could offer a thin tablet w/ 10 hour battery & make it user replaceable. Personally, this really seems like a non-issue by now -- I mean its been a couple years since Apple has started putting sealed batteries in products. Honestly, by the time most people's battery seriously starts to decline it will be time to upgrade the iPad itself. I don't really see why this is such a big deal -- especially since we've known what an iPhone/Touch battery costs and the replacement process for a long time.
Yes, yes, I know, it wasn't ment to be comparable.
But my opinions on the topic:
I owned 3 Mac laptops so far and never needed to change or even think of changing the battery, althought the devices always were in daily, heavy use (scientific computation, 3d programming). One of the devices is 5 years old now, belongs to my mother since 3 years and still the battery is very good (maybe 20% less time, but that's still long enough for her).
There are some simple rules, how a battery must be treated to ensure a long lifetime: 1. Always fully charge 2. always let the battery go very low till you charge again.
So, for the current Pro Laptops, there should really be no complain about the un-ability to replace batteries. In fact, I manage several of them in the office and none of them had problems with the battery so far.
BUT:
The iPad is a different device. I think that the usual behaviour will be: Fully charche the iPad. Then, take it away from the dock and use it. I predict, it will not be used by too many people while on the dock, so for the rest of the time, this device is unplugged. As this device is designed to be a reader/browser/composer, it will be turned on mostly during long time-periods such as 2 to 6 hours. For shorter time periods, people would not consider buying this device as there are other devices serving this purpose. So this means that this devices must be recharced about every third day, presumably over night.
Now, not everybody is patient enought to do this so frequently, even more as the device itself (as mentioned above) is more or less useless when docked (except if you have a keyboard-dock, which costs additional money). So people will not fully charge them or just put the thing in the dock every evening to ensure it is charged the next day. I know that the memory effect is less on the new batteries but there still is some effect. And I think, there is a real chance of a battery failing (in the sense of showing a much worse behaviour than in the beginning) within a short time period such as one or two years.
That is what the battery replacement / device replacement is here for. It basically would be a good thing but sending in the device and waiting for a new one is bad customer service. I don't know how Apple receives such high score for customer service, I think it is very mediocre. But this is again off topic.
Rating positive or negative: First, the whole battery replacement thing sounds very uncomfortable and stressful. Second, this might actually be better to let the company deal with it instead of make it by yourself or by a third company. Third, well, what do I care, it is not a device for my purposes, so I will not own one.
I always seem to be an exception to that rule. Both times I sent my phones into repair they always game me a brand new one! Shrink wrap and everything.
To be honest, unless you work in the design/manufacturing plant I think that's a bit of a leap in guesswork.
A battery would generally be on the back face of a unit (Screen front, then electronics, then battery at the back)
Even if apple wanted a non user servicable battery (as they do) then they would make it as easy to replace (for them) as possible.
I don't really buy that a metal clip/door could not cover an user replaceable battery without making the unit thicker (at the design stage)
I would appreciate it's one less thing to worry about, and also it makes it easier to give the back a one piece smooth cover.
There are plenty of thin mobiles out there with user changable batteries out there.
I just feel yet again we are going down the defending Apple because it's Apple route.
If Apple had a replacable battery and a Msoft tablet had a sealed in battery so you had to send the unit back. I'd bet BIG MONEY all the Apple fans would be saying how great Apple are for allowing users to change the battery (and carry a spare) and how stupid the Msoft design is.
Find me anywhere where Apple promised anything in relation to the iPad. Since when have they ever pre-announced or pre-promised anything? You must be new here...
Fact is, you're starting with a clearly faulty premise. Basically, you're disappointed that they didn't match some imaginary promise which didn't meet your expectations in regards to a product they never talked about, mentioned or made promises about in the first place. Of course you're disappointed. How can any company, and particularly Apple, make real products that live up to the hype of products that don't, and never did, exist?
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Actually it is. With electronics, especially in places like the United States with almost zero controls on eWaste. Apple handling those batteries makes it easy to track the outcome of that waste.
Actually it is. With electronics, especially in places like the United States with almost zero controls on eWaste. Apple handling those batteries makes it easy to track the outcome of that waste.
Yes, but we all spell it the in the same correct manner regardless of regional accent. Americans also misspell words regardless of regional accent also
The previous point is
We do not spell differently from Americans by pure definition of the name of the language. Americans spell and pronounce differently (incorrectly) from the original English language.
In as much as if America adopted a Chinese dialect and still called it Chinese, then pronounced and spelt words differently, then told Chinese people that THEY spell and pronounce their own original language differently. Differently being unusual or out of the ordinary to be in line with the original.
This is historically proven to be due to, shall we say, to the earlier educational inadequacies of the colonies to grasp the written language, rather than a deliberate attempt at a new sub-language.
Therefore it is you my American cousins, who spell differently from us ., not us spelling differently from you.
different [ˈdɪfərənt ˈdɪfrənt]
adj
1. partly or completely unlike
2. out of the ordinary; unusual
differently adv
Therefore it is you my American cousins, who spell differently from us ., not us spelling differently from you.
And we burn gas in our boilers at home, it's called gas as it is a GAS.
We don't put Gas in our cars as they run on a liquid called Petrol
This is not defending Apple for the sake of defending Apple. It's defending what appears to be a very practical design implementation.
I imagine that when this device gets torn down the battery is going to dominate the internals. Thus, if you want to get to allow easy access to the battery you either remove the entire back panel and hold it together with a ton of screws like the current macbooks, or you have some inverse of the original unibody bottom with a large part that comes off with some sort of mechanical latch.
As a result you have a device that is less structurally robust with a smaller battery in order to accommodate more discrete pieces. Doesn't seem like a good trade off.
I'd bet big money that all of this commotion is because Apple is doing this and there are some perceived nefarious motivations behind the move.
I'm very curious to see what the battery life and battery policies of the HP Slate and Dell 5" device are going to be.
Years ago I read that they were now able to mould a battery into a specific shape.
Since I read that, I never understood why they did not make the whole back of units be the battery itself.
Battery like is a MAJOR issue for me. A dead unit is no good to anyone.
And I hate rechanging things too often, which is why I have old Nokia phones that can run at least a week or more on one charge, the thought of having to charge something every days is terrible to me.