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I suppose that means Microsoft too then, eh? Say goodbye 90% market share. :D

Ofcourse. Microsoft is not having the best time of their lives either. They used to be more dominating (and monopolistic) back in 90s; days when they thought they knew what customers wanted instead of listening to them but instead of giving them crap like Windows ME. Sony has the same problem. Once they had everything from TV to audiophile to consoles to Walkman; now they are losing money every year and no longer the dominant player they used to be. Ofcourse the difference is Microsoft has seen the light and they are improving everything as good as they can; Sony however is pretty much stuck in 80s ideas of creating a format and making money of royalties which in todays world is not the ultimate solution to success anymore

Apple is having the time of their lives right now and frankly they deserve it; they had their dark days and now it's time for peace but eventually they will make mistakes. Mistakes and flops will happen to every company and I dont think Apple is an exception either

Enjoy drinking the Ballmer kool aid. See what I did there? :rolleyes:

Your arguments are cliche and trite.

We get it - anyone who prefers something other than what you do is a blubbering fanboy obsessed with shiny things. Duly noted. Can you scamper away now? Here's some help:

http://www.winsupersite.com/

Nothing shiny over there. You'll feel right at home - in the company of friends.

Ballmer? Kool aid? Come on
He is no visionary nor a technical man behind Microsoft. Unlike Jobs and Gates who shaped the company's direction and products, Ballmer is mostly a guy taking care of financial stuff. He is a good accountant, but zero creativity and thats why they have someone like Ray Ozzie up there

As for Winsupersite (which I mentioned in my posts on last 2 pages by the way), is it really a forum for fans? They are like 10 regular posters that comment on Paul's articles. I asked, show me a forum like macrumors, Appleinsider, Sony insider, Sony Defense Force or such. None exist for Microsoft as a company. There is no point in being a fanboy for a company who's work is all related to IT business
 
That's exactly what I'd like to see.

The other commercials are just insulting to me.
Advertising statistics are the likely culprit here - it seems that negative advertising garners a much higher affect ratio than positive ads do - hopefully they'll consider negotiating a healthier balance in the near future.
 
Ballmer? Kool aid? Come on
He is no visionary nor a technical man behind Microsoft. Unlike Jobs and Gates who shaped the company's direction and products, Ballmer is mostly a guy taking care of financial stuff. He is a good accountant, but zero creativity and thats why they have someone like Ray Ozzie up there
You are absolutely right about that. Ballmer, on the other hand, would like to believe otherwise, as he apparently considers himself to be a(n):

- Great Predictor of the Future of Other Company's Products
- Accurate Assessor of WinMobile market share
- Accurate Assessor of Zune market share
- Firm Believer that the current trickling XBoX profits will eventually balance the 5+ Billion deficit created by subsidizing the XBox
- Leader and Instigator of Grand and Decadent Acquisitions
- Delusional Figurehead who Continuously Deflates all Hope for Stockholders through his actions, such as Buying Back Large Quantities of Company Stock, and chasing trails which have been successfully blazed by others, resulting in inaction - getting things out late to market.
- Employee Motivator of the Decade for his Track Record of Inadvertently Persuading Top Management to Defect to Google.
- Up and Coming Contestant for "Dancing with the Stars." ... just to name a few.
 
I asked, show me a forum like macrumors, Appleinsider, Sony insider, Sony Defense Force or such. None exist for Microsoft as a company.

Again, blame Microsoft if their products are so unlikeable that they can't inspire a single fan site despite 18 billion customers. Good grief, I bet even Carrot Top has a fan site. How sad is it that the company selling Microsoft fanboy tshirts is...Microsoft?

There is no point in being a fanboy for a company who's work is all related to IT business

Oh yeah, like Windows, the OS on a bajillion home computers? Zune? Live Search? Xbox 360? Surface? Sync? Media Center? That stupid singalong app? The sure-to-be-upcoming consumer-targeted-iPhone-esque smartphone OS?

Yep, all IT business. :rolleyes:

You're not even trying. Sorta like...Microsoft.
 
Did you know Apple could buy Dell for cash twice? DELL market caps = $21bn, total cash = $9bn, total debt = $2bn, gives an enterprise value of $14bn. That's about half of Apple's cash.

So your pleased to have contributed to somebody elses vast fortune

:p
 
You are absolutely right about that. Ballmer, on the other hand, would like to believe otherwise, as he apparently considers himself to be a(n):

- Great Predictor of the Future of Other Company's Products
- Accurate Assessor of WinMobile market share
- Accurate Assessor of Zune market share
- Firm Believer that the current trickling XBoX profits will eventually balance the 5+ Billion deficit created by subsidizing the XBox
- Leader and Instigator of Grand and Decadent Acquisitions
- Delusional Figurehead who Continuously Deflates all Hope for Stockholders through his actions, such as Buying Back Large Quantities of Company Stock, and chasing trails which have been successfully blazed by others, resulting in inaction - getting things out late to market.
- Employee Motivator of the Decade for his Track Record of Inadvertently Persuading Top Management to Defect to Google.
- Up and Coming Contestant for "Dancing with the Stars." ... just to name a few.

Financially though, his performance is not bad. I dont think he knows much when it comes to technology, he is obviously an old school guy who thinks of computers as tools to do accounting rather than the center piece for media and entertainment
The good news is Microsoft has folks like Ray Ozzie and Robbie Bach who are much better when it comes to looking at the future. Ballmer can think whatever he wants, but any one who knows a thing about computers and technology knows that despite being a CEO, he has zero input in Microsoft's technology or anything close that. I'll give him credit for having the confidence to be the way he is though; it is hard to being disliked so much and yet continue to do your job. At the end of day, he is a successful man and not many people ever get chance to be as rich as him

PS: He is a billionaire. If I had his money, I'd do all those stupid dances as well....
 
Financially though, his performance is not bad.

Man, with Microsoft's stranglehold on the market, my mom could have run Microsoft and equaled Ballmer's profits. The guy is a clown - an guaranteed face palm every time he opens his maw.

The good news is Microsoft has folks like Ray Ozzie and Robbie Bach who are much better when it comes to looking at the future.

Hmm, hasn't it been Robbie Bach running the Xbox and Zune debacles? ("But hey, gaming console dominance in 2025!")

I'll give him credit for having the confidence to be the way he is though;

So for Joe Shmoe to act like that it would be called jackassery, but for billionaire Ballmer to act like that it's confidence???

Wow. Just wow. Talk about fanboyism. The guy is simply indefensible.

I'll be sure to use that line on my wife the next time I'm driving her nuts with my juvenile goofs. "I'm just exuding confidence, baby!"

PS: He is a billionaire. If I had his money, I'd do all those stupid dances as well....

Ballmer a billionaire: one of fate's greatest jokes upon mankind. Ever.

"GIVE IT UP FOR ME! YEEEAAAAAAHHH!"

There are plenty of billionaires in the world. I haven't seen any of them running around like sweat-soaked whirling dervishes, screaming incoherently. EDIT: except for Mark Cuban, when his Mavericks have lost. Again.

I would hope if you did have his money, you'd find a way to act like a civilized human being and not a crack-addled orangutan with Turrets syndrome and hyperactive sweat glands. :eek:
 
PS: He is a billionaire. If I had his money, I'd do all those stupid dances as well....
Perhaps, but his ill-begotten net worth has dropped considerably - from $15 Billion to $11 Billion. Steve Jobs net worth has managed to climb to $5.7 Billion, without the dancing. His fortune was earned through virtue of visionary and innovative leadership, in contradistinction to Gates's/Ballmer's monopolistic practices, vendor lock-in, and anti-trust practices. If I had the opportunity to earn this kind of money, I would much prefer to choose the modality of the former to the latter.
 
"GIVE IT UP FOR ME! YEEEAAAAAAHHH!"

There are plenty of billionaires in the world. I haven't seen any of them running around like sweat-soaked whirling dervishes, screaming incoherently. EDIT: except for Mark Cuban, when his Mavericks have lost. Again.

I would hope if you did have his money, you'd find a way to act like a civilized human being and not a crack-addled orangutan with Turrets syndrome and hyperactive sweat glands. :eek:
He actually makes Paris Hilton appear to be Mother Theresa-like by comparison.
 

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Ugh. Paul Thurrott. Windows fan-tard. :eek:

EDIT: No, actually, Microsoft fan-tard. Winsupersite.com has Mr. Thurrott drooling over EVERYTHING Microsoft-branded. :rolleyes:

You do know Paul uses a Mac and loves the iPhone, right? And that he puts the boot into WinMo mercilessly?

Guess not.
 
Sony has the same problem. Once they had everything from TV to audiophile to consoles to Walkman; now they are losing money every year and no longer the dominant player they used to be. Ofcourse the difference is Microsoft has seen the light and they are improving everything as good as they can; Sony however is pretty much stuck in 80s ideas of creating a format and making money of royalties which in todays world is not the ultimate solution to success anymore

I don't know if you've ever worked for Sony, but your commentary about them and comparison to Microsoft are, in my opinion, absolutely brilliant and spot on.

I left Sony in 2006 and you know what they were handing out to us shortly before that? Lapel pins celebrating the Sony Walkman. These pins were not old -- they were, in fact, quite up-to-date. Now, not to hijack this thread, but the reason I mention this is that Sony has become a company that almost exclusively lives off of past glories. Swear to God, they're still bragging about how they were the creators of Trinitron and (of course) the Walkman. I don't think most people "get" just how screwed up Sony is.

Microsoft, on the other hand (to return to the thread's purpose) is a company which started off with bad business practices and became greedy and decadent with the incredible successes they've had in power acquisition. They've long-since forgotten what it's like to have to compete. There is a qualitative difference between Apple (and, frankly, Linux too) merely "scooping up" some of Microsoft's customers, and the kind of customers Microsoft is losing.

Microsoft has for a long time capitalized on the ignorance of the general public, but that is slowly fading under the incessant onslaught experience out there. It is a uniquely "Microsoft-only" experience, and what people learn as they use OS products not made by Microsoft tends to cause them to feel either empowered or liberated in some way. In short, people are waking up to the fact that they don't *need* Microsoft any more, and this above all is what (should?) scare Microsoft the most.

To use a couple of analogues, this makes me think of the SW ep III scene between Palpatine and Anakin where he tells Anakin that those who have power are motivated by their fear of losing it; and secondarily Linux to me represents this "threat from underneath" to the establishment best summed up in that episode of Babylon 5 where Sheridan confronts the Shadows and the Vorlons at the same time and tells them that mankind doesn't need either of them anymore.
 
Again, blame Microsoft if their products are so unlikeable that they can't inspire a single fan site despite 18 billion customers. Good grief, I bet even Carrot Top has a fan site. How sad is it that the company selling Microsoft fanboy tshirts is...Microsoft?

I would chalk a lack of dedicated forums up to three things - the first one being (qualifier: IMHO) that M$ products are so unlikeable they can't inspire a fan site (as you said), but the other two I think are bigger factors: 1 In general, there is a much greater divide between noob and expert in the Windows world - mostly, I've noticed, you're either a user ho checks email and CNN and doesn't know what RAM is, or 2 a user who loves to tinker around with in-depth stuff and may even have Windows certification. It just seems like the middle-of-the-Knowledge-Road user doesn't exist, or at least not in such numbers as on Macintosh. You can go to a Mac forum with any question related to Macintosh - there's little or no separation between software and hardware and any Mac forum will have an answer (mostly).

The second factor, and the biggest hurt to Windows, is the additional step between company and customer - Apple makes the software that runs on their own system; Therefore, when they make an advert or brand themselves, they can reach the whole Macintosh ecosystem directly. This makes it very easy to market since all Apple has to do is say get a Mac and there's the whole system. M$ has no such luxury. They can't just say get Windows because that leaves most people in the dark, being hounded at and suckered in by HP, Dell, Sony, et al. Half the questions that get asked are dealing with third-party drivers or third-party hardware.
 
Perhaps, but his ill-begotten net worth has dropped considerably - from $15 Billion to $11 Billion. Steve Jobs net worth has managed to climb to $5.7 Billion, without the dancing. His fortune was earned through virtue of visionary and innovative leadership, in contradistinction to Gates's/Ballmer's monopolistic practices, vendor lock-in, and anti-trust practices. If I had the opportunity to earn this kind of money, I would much prefer to choose the modality of the former to the latter.

Surely you mean visionary and innovative stock option dating? :p :D (i keed i keed)
 
You do know Paul uses a Mac and loves the iPhone, right? And that he puts the boot into WinMo mercilessly?

Guess not.

I do know that Paul T. uses a Mac, though I believe he uses it to run Vista full time on it though. I really doubt he does much on the Mac side of things.
 
The second factor, and the biggest hurt to Windows, is the additional step between company and customer - Apple makes the software that runs on their own system; Therefore, when they make an advert or brand themselves, they can reach the whole Macintosh ecosystem directly. This makes it very easy to market since all Apple has to do is say get a Mac and there's the whole system. M$ has no such luxury. They can't just say get Windows because that leaves most people in the dark, being hounded at and suckered in by HP, Dell, Sony, et al. Half the questions that get asked are dealing with third-party drivers or third-party hardware.

I'd just like to chime in and say that I think this is spot on.

When I owned Dell laptops running Windows, I frequented Dell forums. When I had an Xbox, I frequented Xbox/gamer forums. Now that I own a netbook running Windows XP, I frequent netbook/portable computing forums.
 
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