Apple's Latest Ad Takes Aim at Microsoft's 'Laptop Hunters' Campaign

[Pnut13]

I have to disagree with you - I run both Vista and Mac OS X. Vista is a rock solid OS, provided all you do is e-mail, surf, compose a document from time to time, and gaze at a few photos. However, this changes dramatically while running several memory intensive applications simultaneously and while copying and moving large files. I am much happier just allowing Vista to run idle - it is problem free, and does not need to be restarted due to memory fragmentation. Rock solid, indeed.

yes but for me and i am sure most people on here just dont do that little. When i was running Win XP SP3 with 4GB of mam the somputer still was slow and i checked to make sure i had no viruses, etc.....

Rock solid only when you do basic things, that is my point everything above that is pretty much a problem.

And your point is...? Apple don't make their RAM, HDDs and other integral components yet it's branded as a Macbook.

but they put them together(j/k)

My point is that the case or even a hard drive really has nothing to do with Windows XP-Vista-7 problems

Good for you. Like I said, YMMV.

YMMV???idk

Fair enough. Windows PCs still have far more software and applications available to them than Macs though.

well they still do have an edge in programs, but compared to 5-10-15 years ago it is much closer....but as you said, fair enough

Not reallly. It's a nice feature though. Windows XP was horrible at it.

But it is not something to brag about, even if XP was or was not horrible at it, it still should be something that is a given.........I doubt Microsoft would put it as a bulletpoint as a feature on the side of a Vista software package.

I doubt it. There are far more PC gamers out there than console gamers. People keep telling us that it's dying but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Well there are a lot of xbox users and everyone knows how unreliable they are so it goes to reason that a MS fanboy needs his 1st person shooter online experience, when he is waiting a week or two to get his broken 360 back.

I don't think the Apple Genius bar is exactly in danger of going out of business either, no?

but they only talk to people they dont fix them....there is the net and a apple store to buy Macs, and some Best Buys.....how many more places to buy a PC and to get a PC fixed.......there are alot more and Apple knows this but doesnt care

No, they don't. A Mac is easier to set up but the difference in time is expressed in minutes.

I think I'l leave it there - I have no wish to be drawn into another tiresome Mac vs PC argument. All I can say is that I enjoy using OS X and Vista.

set up, i never said setup! Maybe i should have been clearer when i said it takes time to get antivirus protection plus get updates for programs and drivers for hardware, no need for a instalation disk for alot of hardware which you need for most Windows systems
ok fine nice talking

One thing that I find incredibly annoying about Vista is that it seems like every time I log in there's some sort of update (often for security, go figure) that needs to be installed and the computer needs to be restarted. Leopard needs to be updated far far less than Windows which is always a plus.

yes most users actually care about that stuff, just a lot of PC users still have not tried a Mac. I was a PC guy but now 3 months with a mac i will never go back to PC's in my home

Geez, Pnut13... Take a breath and relax a bit, ok?

Yes, I was speaking to you and the other fanboys. The rest of the normal, sensible part of the group was excluded from my post. My bad for not being clearer.

I am a fanboy? Am I a fanboy for mac because i am not a fanboy like you for PC's???It sounds like me you are
You are the one telling me to relax, maybe you dont have good enough counterpoints so you have to tell me to calm down......i am perfectly calm.

I am pro mac most of the time, when they're applicable for the task. I use the computer environment that suits my task or budget at the time. I'm just not very pro-Apple any more. Mostly because every time I had a problem with any of my Macs breaking down throughout the years Apple have been behaving like it was my damn fault when it was obvious it wasn't. In a "you-have-to-push-the-power-button-in-a-right-way" mentality, condescending if you will. I won't go into detail here because that isn't any of your business. But still, the point is even though I've been burnt several times from Apple I'm still here using their products so back the hell off!!

I can see how there customer service over the phone is not the greatest...i will give you that (I am sorry you had problems, hopefully i wont)

If anything, you only prove my point. Oh, and by the way if you want to go down on Windows 7, as it isn't officially released and in beta, compare it with something of an equal stage, say Snow Leopard. Oh, that's right we can't even try that officially, wonder why? Bugs maybe? [/QUOTE}
Yeah but they have a lot to fix before they "officially" release it. I can say that i have tried to install Roxio Creato 2009 on a XP computer a friends Vista and when i was running Parallels on my Mac and it had the same f'n problem. It would run once. Once closed once you tried opining up again it came up with "Program has to be shutdown, do you want to send MS and error report?" It turns out that they think that the laser mouse that a lot of PC users have has a file in it that conflicts with RC '09. This is not an isolated incident and one of the reasons why i left Windows

What I've seen of Windows 7 so far impresses me to some degree. Apple is going to get some competition and they know it too. And that's good for any Mac-user, whether they like it or not. Windows that is.

I ran it on a Mac and i was not impressed, of course there will be bugs but if the bugs are such an issue....then why rush putting out Win7?????I will tell you why, they rushed teh Xbox 360 out and that was nothing but problems. They dont learn and eventually it will snake bite them (MS)

I'm pro-competition and pro-evolution but you, you need to open your eyes! You could always start by looking up the "AppleCare on ebay" thread here at MacRumors and see how the good-minded folks at Apple help to fight the fraudulent cause by revoking AppleCare when they've already given their customers a certificate. You have to be able to trust a contract... Oh, what the hell. Read the thread yourself.

Ok Apple is not perfect, but from my vast experience in Windows and limited use of macs (1983 when i was 5, and now for a few months) and i am impressed with apple but i am disapointed in MS because they have had plenty of problems and i know i am not the only one. I am not this pro Apple guy, i am just against companies that make ****** hardware and software.........and believe it or not thats Microsoft! becuase of the poor harware they use in the 360 and XBox 1 and all teh noted software problems with Windows. Too bad, oh well.....

 

[Burning Radio]

Anyone see the new one about the gal who wants a laptop to edit movies on? I saw it during the American Idol Finale.

Her gripe about a Macbook was the the best one for under $2000 only had 2 gigs of RAM.


(Honestly, I do have to sort of agree. )

 

[ilovefanboyz]

Rock solid only when you do basic things, that is my point everything above that is pretty much a problem.

OK mate, I have to be honest here. You are genuinely starting to embarrass yourself. Are you telling me that the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people using Windows to; play games, run high end 3D software, use Office, Photoshop, etc etc are having problems? Are you actually serious? Really? Or are you just angry at Microsoft?


I said I USE 10 Vista stations, I am a CG artist and I have a little computer knowledge but nothing major. We dont have to touch anything, we update once a month.. but these machines don't. ever. crash. I must be the luckiest man alive to be in the presence of 10 non-crashing Vista machines.. and we push them hard, they have 16GB ram that I regularly need to do HD rendering.

I am not anti-Mac, I just like balanced and fair arguments.

I can say that i have tried to install Roxio Creato 2009 on a XP computer a friends Vista and when i was running Parallels on my Mac and it had the same f'n problem. It would run once. Once closed once you tried opining up again it came up with "Program has to be shutdown, do you want to send MS and error report?" It turns out that they think that the laser mouse that a lot of PC users have has a file in it that conflicts with RC '09. This is not an isolated incident and one of the reasons why i left Windows

I ran it on a Mac and i was not impressed, of course there will be bugs but if the bugs are such an issue....then why rush putting out Win7?????I will tell you why, they rushed teh Xbox 360 out and that was nothing but problems. They dont learn and eventually it will snake bite them (MS)

So you tried to install Roxio 2009 on 3 different Windows OS's and it didnt work on any of them. Fairly simple logic would dictate that maybe the software is at fault and not the OS? And then you said Windows 7 was no good because it also couldnt run the software. This is also a touch embarrassing for you.

Clearly you have major problems with Microsoft judging by your Xbox comments. Maybe you shouldnt let emotion cloud your arguments, they will be respected much more.

 

[contoursvt]

Since 2002 - never. Not a hard lock or bluescreen. Sure applications themselves can misbehave once in a while but the OS has been bulletproof. I dont even run antivirus on my non server boxes. The server has AV and I dump all the crap there.

2002-Current, Dell Dual PIII 1.2Ghz server with 2GB RAM, SCSI boot and SATA data drives, Win2K Server. APC Backups Pro 1400VA UPS. Box runs mail, web, FTP and fileserver duties and doubles as a media server.

2004-Current, Dual Xeon 3Ghz box with 3GB RAM, 15K SCSI drives, Radeon X850XT Platinum, XP SP2. APC Backups Pro 1000VA UPS. This was my main box until I got my Q6600. Its not my secondary workstation.

2007-Current, Q6600 quad with 8GB RAM, 15K SCSI drives and 8800GT, Vista X64 Ultimate. Belkin 750VA UPS. This is my primary machine.

Funny, how in 3 years of owning my macbook I saw that screen only 2 times. Wonder what's the PC ratio.

 

[Matek]

Even if the "customers" were allowed to pick Macs, do you think MS would go ahead and turn that into a commercial? Really, are you that dense? If the customers can pick a Mac (which they can't because you'd be foolish to think they weren't hired by MS) every other customer could be saying, "oh hell yeah, I'll take this Macbook for free!" You'll never know that though because that would not be beneficial to MS marketing. Use your head.

Sheesh! You could at least read more carefully before you argue. Some guy was stating this commercial is bad because it says "people only buy PCs if you pay them". I explained that he was factually wrong. The commercial shows people who are given money to buy a laptop and pick something else than Apple, because it's more value, which conveys a pretty clear message.

Whether it's acted out or not is completely irrelevant, I only explained what happened in the ad. The same way I would explain to someone that at the end of LOTR, Frodo in fact does NOT hump a camel, no, he drops the ring into the volcano.

I don't think so either, because there's another dimension to this as well:

if the Ads are actually being effective, shouldn't there be a Real World HALO EFFECT visible on HP's sales, since they were the brand being sold in several of the spots?

The point here is that HP is currently reporting that their real world sales have tanked.

a) Laptop companies don't get mentioned in the ads, you can see the brands but they don't actually say "I'm getting an HP", it's still a Microsoft commercial.
b) HP sells printers, cameras, servers, loads of different stuff, not just laptops.
c) That graph doesn't show sales, it shows brand satisfaction/reputation.

You're way off.

 

[celtikmind]

c) That graph doesn't show sales, it shows brand satisfaction/reputation.

Exactly, and the interesting and most scary part isn't that Apple is below Microsoft. It is that they have dropped!!

Now why is that? Is it something they do or not? Or is it that their customers requirements have changed?

Apple claims to be a "#1 Customer Experience" company. This chart proves they're not. And with the quality problems I have with my hardware atm and in the way Apple have chosen to deal with them and me, unfortunately, I sadly have to agree. Their higher price average is no longer justifiable imho.

 

[vvebsta]

Exactly, and the interesting and most scary part isn't that Apple is below Microsoft. It is that they have dropped!!

Now why is that? Is it something they do or not? Or is it that their customers requirements have changed?

Apple claims to be a "#1 Customer Experience" company. This chart proves they're not. And with the quality problems I have with my hardware atm and in the way Apple have chosen to deal with them and me, unfortunately, I sadly have to agree. Their higher price average is no longer justifiable imho.

Truth be told...Apple has been lagging. Yes it is an innovative company with brilliant breakthrough moment. But someone needs to work on PR in between. All the little things that upset customers like announcing things way too far in advance (push notifications) and deciding which features the pubic won't need (firewire) just makes for a poor user experience. The problem is Apple is looking TOO far ahead and neglecting the here and now. Its kind of like 'Absent Minded Professor" syndrome, good intentions but head in the clouds.

 

[-hh]

{RE: if the Ads are actually being effective, shouldn't there be a Real World HALO EFFECT visible on HP's sales, since they were the brand being sold in several of the spots?}

...a) Laptop companies don't get mentioned in the ads, you can see the brands but they don't actually say "I'm getting an HP", it's still a Microsoft commercial.

But if its about selling Microsoft, then pray tell where did the "V Word" (Vista) get spoken aloud?

b) HP sells printers, cameras, servers, loads of different stuff, not just laptops.

Sure, but HP reported sales were down roughly equal to Microsoft's Client Division (WIndows): roughly -16%, which is 10% worse than the Economy overall.

c) That graph doesn't show sales, it shows brand satisfaction/reputation.

You're way off.

I'm not Off, but merely pointing out a healthy contrast exists here between a soft & squishy "reputation" perception survey and hard numbers of real world product sales. Business revenue only occurs when you close the deal, so despite what people say, what's often more important is what they actually do.

So maybe next quarter's sales numbers will be different, thereby providing some credence to this opinion survey (or even less) as an indicator of future sales potential...time will tell.

However, in the meantime, let's also not forget what John Wanamaker was popularly attributed to have said:

"Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half."

FWIW, I do agree that these ads are a bit innovative and do have the potential to send a good message. For example, in one of the more recent ones, ("Film Maker"?) the girl mentions that the Mac only has 2GB of RAM and then looks right at the camera and gives a very, very effective shrug. Not another word spoken. This is very clever & effective scripting.

Technically, we can argue here on the details of if 2GB vs 4GB and if it is actually profound in the context of the different OS's until the cows come home, but that's going to be a losing battle.

Effectively, the only pragmatic recourse that Apple has is to bump up (again) their minimum standards, and while it can be argued that this cuts into their BTO profit margins, it also reduces their expenses of having to provide that same BTO service, so the financials might come out closer to a wash than what we first might initially believe.


-hh

 

[Melrose]

People who are offered $1000 to buy a computer go buy what will fit in $1000. It doesn't matter what they want, per se, it only matters at what they don't have to pay for. If they don't pick one under $1000, they don't get anything.

While I don't agree that people only buy PCs if they're paid for it, I'd love to see how many people would go buy a Mac if they were given a $1000 discount.

 

[dejo]

c) That graph doesn't show sales, it shows brand satisfaction/reputation.

Apple claims to be a "#1 Customer Experience" company. This chart proves they're not.

Wrong.

All this chart shows is a measurement of "value perception". It does not show satisfaction or reputation or "customer experience". Customer experience is probably the same as satisfaction. I would even go so far to say that satisfaction would be shown in the Satisfaction tab of the chart and that reputation is shown in the Reputation tab of the chart. But those charts have not been released to the public.

 

[Matek]

But if its about selling Microsoft, then pray tell where did the "V Word" (Vista) get spoken aloud?

It wasn't directly, but the logo and other stuff was much more clearly visible. And besides, regardless of the company you buy your laptop from, Microsoft gets money for the OS. So by saying "get something else than Apple", they will get the money in 99% while HP will still have to compete dozens of other companies at that stage.

I'm not Off, but merely pointing out a healthy contrast exists here between a soft & squishy "reputation" perception survey and hard numbers of real world product sales. Business revenue only occurs when you close the deal, so despite what people say, what's often more important is what they actually do.

So maybe next quarter's sales numbers will be different, thereby providing some credence to this opinion survey (or even less) as an indicator of future sales potential...time will tell.

However, in the meantime, let's also not forget what John Wanamaker was popularly attributed to have said:

"Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half."

You said it yourself, it can be quite difficult to analyse correlation between things in a market. That's precisely why I argued it's not necessary you're right when you said that according to that grahp, HP sales should go up too.

It would make sense for those two values to be slightly correlated, I agree, but it's also not impossible if they aren't.

All this chart shows is a measurement of "value perception". It does not show satisfaction or reputation or "customer experience". Customer experience is probably the same as satisfaction. I would even go so far to say that satisfaction would be shown in the Satisfaction tab of the chart and that reputation is shown in the Reputation tab of the chart. But those charts have not been released to the public.

I'm sorry, that was a slip up on my side, you're absolutely correct. But still, I was generally only trying to say that the graph didn't show actual sales numbers that would almost necessarily need to correlate with sales numbers of laptop companies (since some hardware had to be sold to sell that much Vista), it only shows custumer opinions which can be connected to sales in a much more clouded way.

 

[celtikmind]

All this chart shows is a measurement of "value perception". It does not show satisfaction or reputation or "customer experience". Customer experience is probably the same as satisfaction. I would even go so far to say that satisfaction would be shown in the Satisfaction tab of the chart and that reputation is shown in the Reputation tab of the chart. But those charts have not been released to the public.

Truth be told, I feel it's somewhere in between. I read "value perception" as in something you have a great experience with (or of) would also make you hold that brand in high value, see? These are very cloudy things to sample, so yes, I guess it could also be put under satisfaction or reputation. I guess it all depends how the question is put when doing the research.

At least, my "value perception" of Apple has dropped. I don't like that. I previously held Apple in high regard, recommending them whenever I had the chance and it was appropriate, but considering the troubles I've had my last Mac (HEAT!) and now reading of the unpatched Java exploit etc. I no longer have that trust. Perhaps it has gone a little too fast for them lately but I don't find them that dependable like they used to be.

 

[dejo]

Truth be told, I feel it's somewhere in between. I read "value perception" as in something you have a great experience with (or of) would also make you hold that brand in high value, see? These are very cloudy things to sample, so yes, I guess it could also be put under satisfaction or reputation. I guess it all depends how the question is put when doing the research.

That's the problem. They attempt to throw this graph out there as proof of something with no real details as to how the data was gathered. ("daily interviews of 5,000 people"? ooh, i'm convinced )

 

[Pnut13]

OK mate, I have to be honest here. You are genuinely starting to embarrass yourself. Are you telling me that the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people using Windows to; play games, run high end 3D software, use Office, Photoshop, etc etc are having problems? Are you actually serious? Really? Or are you just angry at Microsoft?

It can go the other way, that you have something against Apple, you go onto a Mac message board as a pro Windows guy and you arent angry at Apple????? Maybe you are the fanboy of MS?

oh and i am not your mate, bro, bra or any of those other names.

I said I USE 10 Vista stations, I am a CG artist and I have a little computer knowledge but nothing major. We dont have to touch anything, we update once a month.. but these machines don't. ever. crash. I must be the luckiest man alive to be in the presence of 10 non-crashing Vista machines.. and we push them hard, they have 16GB ram that I regularly need to do HD rendering.

I am not anti-Mac, I just like balanced and fair arguments.

So you tried to install Roxio 2009 on 3 different Windows OS's and it didnt work on any of them. Fairly simple logic would dictate that maybe the software is at fault and not the OS? And then you said Windows 7 was no good because it also couldnt run the software. This is also a touch embarrassing for you.

Clearly you have major problems with Microsoft judging by your Xbox comments. Maybe you shouldnt let emotion cloud your arguments, they will be respected much more.

You have only done one thing on these computers that have 16 GB of ram/ Do you know that Macs dont support that much ram yet? Maybe they dont need that much with OSX
Yet you claim to know in the first part of your post up top that millions and millions.....dont have problems. How do you know that for sure, since you personally only do one thing on these computers?? Especially that they have 16Gigs of RAM. How many people you know
1) have 8 or 16 gugs of rams on their computers (answer: not millions na millions)
2)People dont have IT deoartments at their homes to run virus ware, software updates, Windows updates, getting drivers for programs. So your experience is rare and not really among millions of windows users. So great you are th .001% that use high end editing (with 16GB) on computers that only do that...then try to make that seem like its the norm. Come on you know thats not the case, and so does everybody (hopefully) here.

and by the way before I had dells and HP's and Sony's and i had multiple problems, so what you are saying it is never MS's fault, it is the computer manufacturers fault. Just like Roxio Creator who was made for Windows and it doesnt work, could it possibly be Windows, if it doesnt work on all Windows platforms????could it possibly be or are you too confused with your rose colored MS glases on? Is it a posibility????Maybe???

 

[-hh]

{Re: the "V" word}

It wasn't directly, but the logo and other stuff was much more clearly visible. And besides, regardless of the company you buy your laptop from, Microsoft gets money for the OS. So by saying "get something else than Apple", they will get the money in 99% while HP will still have to compete dozens of other companies at that stage.

Agree on both counts - - with my point being that the HP logo was similarly represented, so if there is to be a market upswing as the result of this marketing, then HP should similarly be a beneficiary.

You said it yourself, it can be quite difficult to analyse correlation between things in a market. That's precisely why I argued it's not necessary you're right when you said that according to that grahp, HP sales should go up too.

It would make sense for those two values to be slightly correlated, I agree, but it's also not impossible if they aren't.

Understood. My point is that this is essentially why the claims of some huge amount of significance on this ("squishy") consumer perception survey are to be questioned.

... I was generally only trying to say that the graph didn't show actual sales numbers...{but} ... only shows custumer opinions which can be connected to sales in a much more clouded way.

I think we're in the same neighborhood: its not that what the survey said was wrong, or even uttery incorrect, but rather that the claimed high degree of significance being attached thereto is what is being questioned as non-plausible ... at least at this time. Give it another 6 months to see how much of this alleged shift in perceptions actually translates into changes in real world purchases ... specifically, Apple Macintosh sales declines that are steeper than what HP / Microsoft saw this past quarter. Time will tell.


-hh

 

[Chwisch87]

I think there are a lot of people here that are really hating on Win 7 but ignore the fact that there isn't really been a overly bad review of the OS and a lot people are very excited for it. I found the UI enhancements so far ahead of OSX I am having a hard time going back and forth.

 

[celtikmind]

It can go the other way, that you have something against Apple, you go onto a Mac message board as a pro Windows guy and you arent angry at Apple????? Maybe you are the fanboy of MS?

oh and i am not your mate, bro, bra or any of those other names.



You have only done one thing on these computers that have 16 GB of ram/ Do you know that Macs dont support that much ram yet? Maybe they dont need that much with OSX
Yet you claim to know in the first part of your post up top that millions and millions.....dont have problems. How do you know that for sure, since you personally only do one thing on these computers?? Especially that they have 16Gigs of RAM. How many people you know
1) have 8 or 16 gugs of rams on their computers (answer: not millions na millions)
2)People dont have IT deoartments at their homes to run virus ware, software updates, Windows updates, getting drivers for programs. So your experience is rare and not really among millions of windows users. So great you are th .001% that use high end editing (with 16GB) on computers that only do that...then try to make that seem like its the norm. Come on you know thats not the case, and so does everybody (hopefully) here.

and by the way before I had dells and HP's and Sony's and i had multiple problems, so what you are saying it is never MS's fault, it is the computer manufacturers fault. Just like Roxio Creator who was made for Windows and it doesnt work, could it possibly be Windows, if it doesnt work on all Windows platforms????could it possibly be or are you too confused with your rose colored MS glases on? Is it a posibility????Maybe???

Pnut... seriously, take a break and get some air, go for a walk or something. Enjoy life. This thread is not doing you any good.

 

[dejo]

You have only done one thing on these computers that have 16 GB of ram/ Do you know that Macs dont support that much ram yet?

Actually, the 8-core Mac Pros support up to 32 GB of RAM.

 

[celtikmind]

I think we're in the same neighborhood: its not that what the survey said was wrong, or even uttery incorrect, but rather that the claimed high degree of significance being attached thereto is what is being questioned as non-plausible ... at least at this time. Give it another 6 months to see how much of this alleged shift in perceptions actually translates into changes in real world purchases ... specifically, Apple Macintosh sales declines that are steeper than what HP / Microsoft saw this past quarter. Time will tell.


-hh

Yes, thank you for a better expression!

I think there are a lot of people here that are really hating on Win 7 but ignore the fact that there isn't really been a overly bad review of the OS and a lot people are very excited for it. I found the UI enhancements so far ahead of OSX I am having a hard time going back and forth.

Likewise, don't know why but something in Windows 7 makes OS X feel old, not necessarily bad but still... old. It felt very fresh once but something needs to happen.

 

[DMann]

a) Laptop companies don't get mentioned in the ads, you can see the brands but they don't actually say "I'm getting an HP", it's still a Microsoft commercial.
b) HP sells printers, cameras, servers, loads of different stuff, not just laptops.
c) That graph doesn't show sales, it shows brand satisfaction/reputation.

You're way off.

Way off indeed - Laptop companies do get mentioned in these ads: Let's go look at that Dell agian ...37-38 seconds in, and "We haven't looked at the Macs yet," at 18 seconds in. It is only the Windows logo which is visually shown, albeit briefly. It is interesting how the comparably spec'd and better priced MacBook was not at all mentioned here, while the incomparably, superiorly spec'd MacBook Pro was used for price comparison instead. Furthermore, the graph does not reflect brand satisfaction/reputation, as you claim. Such a graph would look more like this:

 

[Pnut13]

Pnut... seriously, take a break and get some air, go for a walk or something. Enjoy life. This thread is not doing you any good.

No i am perfectly fine......I dont live and die by this stuff
Also i find it funny that most posters that dont have a leg to stand on their arguments go to do this other stuff like saying, "we are just discussing here", when they are the ones forcing their argument on others and when you rebutt them they act like they are the one being attacked, not the one that was being obsessed/rambungious/overy heated in their lame arguments....but to each his own.

Actually, the 8-core Mac Pros support up to 32 GB of RAM.

Mac pro's which are too much computer for your average mac or PC user, so using them as an example in this discussion is wrong because most people dont use powerful/computer artist PC/Macs

Likewise, don't know why but something in Windows 7 makes OS X feel old, not necessarily bad but still... old. It felt very fresh once but something needs to happen.

I think that it gets rid of the stigma to start off with of Vista, because they could have just called it Windows Vista Service Pack 4(or what ever) because it is just a slight upgrade from Vista(which is exactly the opposite, by teh way, of what PC fanboys said that it would be a whole new OS built form teh ground up---whish has been proven to be 100% wrong)

Way off indeed - Laptop companies do get mentioned in these ads: Let's go look at that Dell agian ...37-38 seconds in, and "We haven't looked at the Macs yet," at 18 seconds in. It is only the Windows logo which is visually shown, albeit briefly. It is interesting how the comparably spec'd and better priced MacBook was not at all mentioned here, while the incomparably, superiorly spec'd MacBook Pro was used for price comparison instead. Furthermore, the graph does not reflect brand satisfaction/reputation, as you claim. Such a graph would look more like this:

yes becuse it hurts their precious little ad campiagn, maybe they told the store to hide the cheaper MacBook in the back.:sarcasm??)

 

[dejo]

Mac pro's which are too much computer for your average mac or PC user, so using them as an example in this discussion is wrong because most people dont use powerful/computer artist PC/Macs

Oh. I didn't realize you were restricting your claim about Macs not supporting even 16GB of RAM to only Macs "for your average user". And in light of ilovefanboyz' mention of using the computers for HD rendering, I think it's a perfectly legitimate example.

 

[Pnut13]

Oh. I didn't realize you were restricting your claim about Macs not supporting even 16GB of RAM to only Macs "for your average user". And in light of ilovefanboyz' mention of using the computers for HD rendering, I think it's a perfectly legitimate example.

Actually it isn't a legit example because those Laptop Hunters comnercials didnt have people saying " I need a computer for rendering" One needed movie editing and that is it. As i said before most people dont need 32 or 16GB of RAM and these MS comercials also back up my point here.
So it actually is not a good example for this thread or all computer users in general because there is such a small pool of people needing/wanting high end computers for computer animation/editing/HD/etc....

 

[dejo]

Actually it isn't a legit example because those Laptop Hunters comnercials didnt have people saying " I need a computer for rendering" One needed movie editing and that is it. As i said before most people dont need 32 or 16GB of RAM and these MS comercials also back up my point here.
So it actually is not a good example for this thread or all computer users in general because there is such a small pool of people needing/wanting high end computers for computer animation/editing/HD/etc....

ilovefanboyz: "they have 16GB ram that I regularly need to do HD rendering."
Pnut13: "Do you know that Macs dont support that much ram yet?"
dejo: "Actually, the 8-core Mac Pros support up to 32 GB of RAM."
Pnut13: "too much computer for your average mac or PC user"

Way to jump the tracks there!

 

[Pnut13]

ilovefanboyz: "they have 16GB ram that I regularly need to do HD rendering."
Pnut13: "Do you know that Macs dont support that much ram yet?"
dejo: "Actually, the 8-core Mac Pros support up to 32 GB of RAM."
Pnut13: "too much computer for your average mac or PC user"

Way to jump the tracks there!

Honestly i didnt know they supported 16GB so you got me on one thing, but that doesnt prove ****
It actually proves my point is that these ads:
-are with average people that dont need computers with 16GB or 32GB's (never mind whether PC's and/or Macs have those specs)
therefore ilovePCfanboyzbecauseIamone's point has zero to do with these ads, which is what this thread is about, you average joe shmoe walks into a computer retailer/

DO you guys actually think that 16GB computers are for teh average user today? do you really?
Do you guys actually think that these laptop hunter people need that kind of power? do you really?
They really dont, because they are just like the majority of computer users that need to use their computers for email and the web.