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Apple's New 27-Inch iMacs Experiencing Performance Issues?
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Don't read the latest Macworld article about Leopard and Snow Leopard annoyances. You'll break out it in a sweat just reading it.
My Mac Pro (Leopard) has had no problems viewing YouTube videos. However, flash videos embedded in certain web sites (I cannot say ALL websites) cause Safari to hang or to crash. In other web sites, I can load and watch videos that are identified as .flv with no problems. I just don't have an app that will allow me to watch them later after downloading them.
Maybe I need to update my app to view flash video ... ? Any suggestions?
Maybe I need to update my app to view flash video ... ? Any suggestions?
Exactly. I wonder if these are the same people who will carp endlessly about how bad Quicktime and iTunes are on Windows and how that's all Apple's fault.
FLASH is here to stay
FLASH is here to stay for the foreseeable future, regardless of how much a few here whine.
It is up to Apple to work with Adobe and to dedicate the relatively minor resources to get it to work well on Macs, and also on the iPhone.
Virtually every major site, from Nike, to Disney, to Hulu, uses Flash. Often for whole sections, and sometimes for the whole site. There are tons of other sites built entirely in Flash.
Of course, some would rather stick their heads in the sands....
FLASH is here to stay for the foreseeable future, regardless of how much a few here whine.
It is up to Apple to work with Adobe and to dedicate the relatively minor resources to get it to work well on Macs, and also on the iPhone.
Virtually every major site, from Nike, to Disney, to Hulu, uses Flash. Often for whole sections, and sometimes for the whole site. There are tons of other sites built entirely in Flash.
Of course, some would rather stick their heads in the sands....
.......and we're not talking about Ubuntu OR Mandriva either, thanks.
But, I'm getting the feeling you think Adobe is responsible. Yay, who cares. Somebody...ANYBODY....fix Flash's performance on the 27 monster.....it's just embarrassing!
Hopefully, Apple has told Adobe about this problem and we may see an update to Adobe Flash Player to correct this problem within the next few weeks.
Things that would be interesting to know:
- have they updated their flash? Cuz it is known that Leopard shipped with an old version of it
- have they tried other browsers?
And most important of all, the article title is totally wrong IMHO, because it is not THE iMAC!!!!! It is a problem on FLASH PLAYER for SAFARI with the new iMacs.
Obviously, it is better to burn the fastest iMac ever than giving it the proper tittle, isn't it?
Just my 2 cents on the flash player thing: this is the worst application that EVER was invented. It messed up with so many computers and so many OSes that I wish Mac OS was the only problem. Yes, it would be awesome if technology was used to comfort, not only to profit. It is a bad technology and most ppl acknowledge it, but everybody sits there and do nothing.
Oh well, back to youtube... =P
- have they updated their flash? Cuz it is known that Leopard shipped with an old version of it
- have they tried other browsers?
And most important of all, the article title is totally wrong IMHO, because it is not THE iMAC!!!!! It is a problem on FLASH PLAYER for SAFARI with the new iMacs.
Obviously, it is better to burn the fastest iMac ever than giving it the proper tittle, isn't it?
Just my 2 cents on the flash player thing: this is the worst application that EVER was invented. It messed up with so many computers and so many OSes that I wish Mac OS was the only problem. Yes, it would be awesome if technology was used to comfort, not only to profit. It is a bad technology and most ppl acknowledge it, but everybody sits there and do nothing.
Oh well, back to youtube... =P
I don't know if it is Apple's fault but it sure as hell isn't MS fault.
This reminds me, although completely unrelated... was there any update to Flash on Linux in the last few days? Flash is running way better on Ubuntu for me.
Leopard was far worse upon launch. I remember the wireless issues galore. That's why you should wait until at least 10.x.2 to upgrade.
.......and we're not talking about Ubuntu OR Mandriva either, thanks.
But, I'm getting the feeling you think Adobe is responsible. Yay, who cares. Somebody...ANYBODY....fix Flash's performance on the 27 monster.....it's just embarrassing!
If you haven't noticed, flash sucks on all platforms. You're debating Flash but singling out the 27" models which makes your arguments invalid.
But that is Apple's fault because they make Quicktime and iTunes. Apple doesn't make flash so its the developers responsibility.
Everyone is trying to blame someone here. I think we should just stop and think. The Adobe vs. Apple is way more complicated than you think, Flash relies on the OS and it's not easy to tell whether the bug is in Flash itself or the part that Flash relies on in the OS. Or maybe both?
Either way, this iMac issue is just like any other issue that always happens every time a new product comes out. Macs have had screen issues, graphics card issues, and other stuff like that in the past, this is just the nature of mass manufacturing, it happens to every product ever made, but it won't get as much attention as on here since an HP PC will not be made in such a large quantity as an iMac, and they will make lots of different versions, and it has no fanbase forum...
Snow Leopard is a fresh OS and this is why we have updates. Leopard is already at 10.5.8, and those 8 updates came for a reason! 10.5.1 also had its bugs, since new software brings new bugs. Throughout the evolution of an OS, those bugs get fixed slowly, and then a new OS comes out with new bugs, it's the circle of life.
At least in OS X, bugs eventually get fixed. As I remember Windows XP, there were like 10 updates per week, but the bugs I was having never ever got fixed, not in 5 years, so I'm not gonna complain here
Either way, this iMac issue is just like any other issue that always happens every time a new product comes out. Macs have had screen issues, graphics card issues, and other stuff like that in the past, this is just the nature of mass manufacturing, it happens to every product ever made, but it won't get as much attention as on here since an HP PC will not be made in such a large quantity as an iMac, and they will make lots of different versions, and it has no fanbase forum...
Snow Leopard is a fresh OS and this is why we have updates. Leopard is already at 10.5.8, and those 8 updates came for a reason! 10.5.1 also had its bugs, since new software brings new bugs. Throughout the evolution of an OS, those bugs get fixed slowly, and then a new OS comes out with new bugs, it's the circle of life.
At least in OS X, bugs eventually get fixed. As I remember Windows XP, there were like 10 updates per week, but the bugs I was having never ever got fixed, not in 5 years, so I'm not gonna complain here
If I have to turn on Flash just to navigate a website you can be sure I'll never buy anything from that company.
+1 This could turn out to be a PR "rotten apple". NO question it is a known issue, honest truth is no one yet know exactly why (airport, mem leaks, driver, GPX .... ???). Flash is a known prob, while not widespread it is a real and frustrating problem for those in this situation.
I am now holding off on my purchase of the new iMac. Apple please fix this ASAP.
If Apple are clever, they will be looking into this very closely and getting a fix for it in the next few days - holiday season is round the corner, the last thing they want is for their inventory in stores/warehouses to be doubling in returns.
Flash behaves poor on (some?) SL-installations, that's right, I experienced this myself. But don't blame a company (Adobe, apple) or a technology for this, even though there might be reasons to not like the one or the other.
First of all, most people here talk about video playback. Flash is not designed for video, so don't compare it to VLC or some other video-based thing. Flash is a technology turned into a product by Macromedia designed to provide rich vector graphics, animation and enhanced interactivity to the Web. After Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005, the technology itself was at it's peak. This was before the video-flood on the Web started. Then suddenly, everyone wanted video and for some reason, some people couldn't handle the different formats and therefore wanted a solution. What should the company do? Spending two years in a redesigned technology or bring out a solution which is sufficient but maybe not perfect? So there came some patches and addons to deliver better video experience but the base technology stayed the same. These addons were introduced by popular demand resulting in a more widespread use of flash. Of course it is possible to create a video-player using flash but no one claimed it to be a bright idea.
As an example: Imagine if Apple stopped the designing process in 2005 and decided to focus on just delivering what poeple currently needed by using the technology available back then and sending dot-version-upgrades. People would have cheered because they got immediately what they wanted. Now think of all the functionality which we have nowadays in the system and iPhone and everything. This would only be accessible by addon-installations given by third-parties or by experiencing drastical flaws in performance, reliability and (which obviously upsets people here the most) usability.
Think of a smooth round sphere which is the base technology, then apply some ugly bumps, a rough and hairy surface, dripping slobber, some dirt and you get what flash is USED for today, used by you and me and many flash-programmers. You can only correct this by redesigning a technology and smoothen out the surface again. That's why apple is focused on standardised (which means: highly developed and fully designed) technology: There actually IS the possibility that a standardised technology WILL just work. With non-standardised technology, you have no guarantee at all.
Yes, Adobe failed to advance flash, but they tried something new with AIR. Apple introduced Widgets and the iPhone SDK, Windows introduced Gadgets and Silverfast, Google released it's own stuff and SDK, Amazon goes Kindle, ... They all try to go new ways in delivering content. Some of the popular latest technologies in use are ajax, SVG and WebGL. Wait till they are fully developed and standardized or burned in hell and forgotten. Right now, they are all in their infancy, not even 5 years old.
First of all, most people here talk about video playback. Flash is not designed for video, so don't compare it to VLC or some other video-based thing. Flash is a technology turned into a product by Macromedia designed to provide rich vector graphics, animation and enhanced interactivity to the Web. After Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005, the technology itself was at it's peak. This was before the video-flood on the Web started. Then suddenly, everyone wanted video and for some reason, some people couldn't handle the different formats and therefore wanted a solution. What should the company do? Spending two years in a redesigned technology or bring out a solution which is sufficient but maybe not perfect? So there came some patches and addons to deliver better video experience but the base technology stayed the same. These addons were introduced by popular demand resulting in a more widespread use of flash. Of course it is possible to create a video-player using flash but no one claimed it to be a bright idea.
As an example: Imagine if Apple stopped the designing process in 2005 and decided to focus on just delivering what poeple currently needed by using the technology available back then and sending dot-version-upgrades. People would have cheered because they got immediately what they wanted. Now think of all the functionality which we have nowadays in the system and iPhone and everything. This would only be accessible by addon-installations given by third-parties or by experiencing drastical flaws in performance, reliability and (which obviously upsets people here the most) usability.
Think of a smooth round sphere which is the base technology, then apply some ugly bumps, a rough and hairy surface, dripping slobber, some dirt and you get what flash is USED for today, used by you and me and many flash-programmers. You can only correct this by redesigning a technology and smoothen out the surface again. That's why apple is focused on standardised (which means: highly developed and fully designed) technology: There actually IS the possibility that a standardised technology WILL just work. With non-standardised technology, you have no guarantee at all.
Yes, Adobe failed to advance flash, but they tried something new with AIR. Apple introduced Widgets and the iPhone SDK, Windows introduced Gadgets and Silverfast, Google released it's own stuff and SDK, Amazon goes Kindle, ... They all try to go new ways in delivering content. Some of the popular latest technologies in use are ajax, SVG and WebGL. Wait till they are fully developed and standardized or burned in hell and forgotten. Right now, they are all in their infancy, not even 5 years old.
Have you had any problems with your new iMac?
From what I've learned, not heard of an iMac with 9400M video card displaying this problem.
I am interested to know if anyone with a new iMac and the NVIDA 9400M having the same issue(s)?
The 27" iMac was not meant for any video with less than 1080 horizontal lines of resolution. Especially not Flash video, which is frowned upon by El Jobso. Safari is for web browsing of quicktime content only, and will protect you from any FLV file by conveniently displaying a multi-colored wheel that spins and spins and spins, bringing you tears of joy thinking of your early childhood.
Nop, I didn't. Probably because I had 'Click 2 Flash' installed. System was pretty flawless.