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Apple's New 27-Inch iMacs Experiencing Performance Issues?

if you want to download a youtube video as an MP4, make a bookmark using the code below as the URL. when on a youtube page, click that link, and a "download as MP4" link will appear on the right. and download the video manually as mp4 and avoid the issue all together.

Code: 
javascript:if%20(document.getElementById('download-youtube-video')==null%20&&%20!!(document.location.href.match(/http:%5C/%5C/%5Ba-zA-Z%5C.%5D*youtube%5C.com%5C/watch/)))%20%7Bvar%20yt_mp4_path='http://www.youtube.com/get_video?fmt=18&video_id='+swfArgs%5B'video_id'%5D+'&t='+swfArgs%5B't'%5D;%20var%20div_embed=document.getElementById('watch-embed-div');if(div_embed)%7Bvar%20div_download=document.createElement('div');div_download.innerHTML='%3Cbr%20/%3E%20%3Cspan%20id=%5C'download-youtube-video%5C'%3E%3Ca%20href=%5C''+yt_mp4_path+'%5C'%3EDownload%20as%20MP4%3C/a%3E%20'+%20%20((navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari')!=-1)?'(control-click%20and%20select%20%3Ci%3EDownload%20linked%20file%20as%3C/i%3E)':('(right-click%20and%20select%20%3Ci%3ESave%20'+%20(navigator.appName=='Microsoft%20Internet%20Explorer'?'target':'link')%20+'%20as)%3C/i%3E'))+'%3C/span%3E';div_embed.appendChild(div_download);%7D%7Dvoid(0);
 
mabaker said:
For everyone who cares here's a bug thread on Adobe forums commenting heavily on the issue:

http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-890
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I went to this site, and this is what I found: Dated 9 SEP 2009
Version: Flash Player 10 - 10_0_32_18

Steps to reproduce:
1. Go to hulu.com. Stream a TV show. Pop it out into a new window and play back at 2-3 times normal size
2. On a 2009 model Mac Pro with 8 Nehalem Xeon processors and 12 GB of RAM, flash uses 50% of all CPU time available, and uses all cores. In 10.5, CPU usage was substantially lower (monitor with activity monitor.)
3. There is no 3.

Actual Results:
CPU usage is the highest I have ever seen for video playback. For comparison, the same machine uses virtually no CPU playing back a 1080p video at full screen on a 2560x1600 display.

Expected Results:
CPU usage should not be high for this operation. If this were a laptop, the battery would be drained in a hurry. Compare to quicktime playback of just about any video format, or to Silverlight, for much better video playback performance.

50% CPU Usage on an Mac Pro with 8 Nehalm Processors and 12 Gigs of RAM!

What chance do us "normal" Mac Users have? This is clearly an Adobe Screw-up!
 
CQd44 said:
The only one that makes some sense to me no longer working is VMWare 5.0 because of the virtualization.

That's really too bad though. I wish I knew the specifics of maintaining compatibility for programs.

EDIT: How strange. I just got Photoshop 7 to open. Weird.
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Really? Are you on 64-bit?
 
polaris20 said:
Really? Are you on 64-bit?
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Yes I am.

Like I said, I've heard stories of mixed successes involving the same program from different people. I didn't even use compatibility mode. I hope your dad finds an easy solution for his program needs :] It hurts me to see technology fail like that. I don't know why, haha.
 
MacDSmith2 said:
I went to this site, and this is what I found: Dated 9 SEP 2009
Version: Flash Player 10 - 10_0_32_18

Steps to reproduce:
1. Go to hulu.com. Stream a TV show. Pop it out into a new window and play back at 2-3 times normal size
2. On a 2009 model Mac Pro with 8 Nehalem Xeon processors and 12 GB of RAM, flash uses 50% of all CPU time available, and uses all cores. In 10.5, CPU usage was substantially lower (monitor with activity monitor.)
3. There is no 3.

Actual Results:
CPU usage is the highest I have ever seen for video playback. For comparison, the same machine uses virtually no CPU playing back a 1080p video at full screen on a 2560x1600 display.

Expected Results:
CPU usage should not be high for this operation. If this were a laptop, the battery would be drained in a hurry. Compare to quicktime playback of just about any video format, or to Silverlight, for much better video playback performance.

50% CPU Usage on an Mac Pro with 8 Nehalm Processors and 12 Gigs of RAM!

What chance do us "normal" Mac Users have? This is clearly an Adobe Screw-up!
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How is it CLEARLY an Adobe screw up? All of the signs point to something else, not that flash is poorly made.

I've had serious audio issues in the past that were the result of...bad graphics drivers. I would look at Apple's sloppy coding first and foremost.
 
Just read this on the Apple support pages:

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Won't be surprised if we see an update rather soon'ish.
 
The Samurai said:
Just read this on the Apple support pages:

apf9qh.png


Won't be surprised if we see an update rather soon'ish.
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I've had Flash runnng at similar CPU usage for a while now with Snow Leopard. The videos run fine but the fans tend to really kick in (high cpu usage.) In fact, Flash has always taxed the CPU on my MBP, even under Leopard. But the videos always played fine.
 
Ok on MacBook Air 1st gen

MacBook Air 1.6 GHz, 2 GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.6.1 (Snow Leopard)
Safari 4.0.3 (6531.9)
Firefox 3.5.4
Flash Player 10.0.32.18

Watching the same JTV Gotye video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOevbchxOc), CPU usage:

Standard Quality:
Safari 32: 60%
Safari 64: 65%
Firefox 32: 61%

High Quality:
Safari 32: 72%
Safari 64: 93%
Firefox 32: 76%

mmmm... definitely going to keep my Safari at 32-bit for now. Can't believe there were clowns trying to blame the encoder or not even seeing a problem in the video playback in the original video.
 
Hi everybody,

I'm not sure if somebody else posted something similar here but I just want to say that it's not only 27inch iMacs that have problem. I recently bought a 21inch with ATI and am having similar problems. I also noticed various posts here or on Apple support discussion forum regarding the same issue.

It's not only webpages that flash is causing trouble but also on flash based games such as Machinarium.

Moreover, the computer tends to get sluggish after staying on for a while. Office 2008 and Aperture get really slow. It tends to refresh itself sometimes or putting the computer to sleep and waking it up does the trick.

I was told to reinstall flash, remove some 3rd party software that may have compatibility issue with Snow Leopard, reset PRAM, repair disk permissions. None of them provided a permanent solution.

I hope that with the upcoming SL upgrade, the problem will be solved.

P.S.: I had an early 2009 20inch iMac before and never had such problems.
 
fuziwuzi said:
if you want to download a youtube video as an MP4, make a bookmark using the code below as the URL. when on a youtube page, click that link, and a "download as MP4" link will appear on the right. and download the video manually as mp4 and avoid the issue all together.

Code: 
javascript:if%20(document.getElementById('download-youtube-video')==null%20&&%20!!(document.location.href.match(/http:%5C/%5C/%5Ba-zA-Z%5C.%5D*youtube%5C.com%5C/watch/)))%20%7Bvar%20yt_mp4_path='http://www.youtube.com/get_video?fmt=18&video_id='+swfArgs%5B'video_id'%5D+'&t='+swfArgs%5B't'%5D;%20var%20div_embed=document.getElementById('watch-embed-div');if(div_embed)%7Bvar%20div_download=document.createElement('div');div_download.innerHTML='%3Cbr%20/%3E%20%3Cspan%20id=%5C'download-youtube-video%5C'%3E%3Ca%20href=%5C''+yt_mp4_path+'%5C'%3EDownload%20as%20MP4%3C/a%3E%20'+%20%20((navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari')!=-1)?'(control-click%20and%20select%20%3Ci%3EDownload%20linked%20file%20as%3C/i%3E)':('(right-click%20and%20select%20%3Ci%3ESave%20'+%20(navigator.appName=='Microsoft%20Internet%20Explorer'?'target':'link')%20+'%20as)%3C/i%3E'))+'%3C/span%3E';div_embed.appendChild(div_download);%7D%7Dvoid(0);
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No dice.

Anyway, that's sort of sad. My iBook runs YouTube better than that with less resources. It's actually the one time I'm able to say that, which is kind of cool. Thanks Apple!
 
Joz3d said:
MacBook Air 1.6 GHz, 2 GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.6.1 (Snow Leopard)
Safari 4.0.3 (6531.9)
Firefox 3.5.4
Flash Player 10.0.32.18

Watching the same JTV Gotye video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOevbchxOc), CPU usage:

Standard Quality:
Safari 32: 60%
Safari 64: 65%
Firefox 32: 61%

High Quality:
Safari 32: 72%
Safari 64: 93%
Firefox 32: 76%

mmmm... definitely going to keep my Safari at 32-bit for now. Can't believe there were clowns trying to blame the encoder or not even seeing a problem in the video playback in the original video.
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MacBook Pro 13" 2.53 GHz C2D, 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.6.1 (Snow Leopard)
Safari 4.0.3 (6531.9)
Flash Player 10.0.r32

Watching the same JTV Gotye video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOevbchxOc), CPU usage:


High Quality:
Safari 64: 47%
 
The Samurai said:
apf9qh.png


Won't be surprised if we see an update rather soon'ish.
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I really hope they come out with an update soon. Flash runs terribly on my uMBP. Activity monitor has shown 137% CPU usage before on it before for me. I am getting the wonderful "Flash Safari Internet plugin has quit unexpectedly" a lot lately.

I never had any problem with this running Leopard on my old MBP. Just another Snow Leopard bug (like Finder freezing) that happen often.

Overall, Leopard running on my MSI hackintosh with an 1.6GHz Atom is much more stable than Snow Leopard has been on my 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo Unibody.
 
Master Chief said:
Ha! That'll be another Safari upgrade soon.
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No, its not just Safari; its also Firefox. The problem is in the Adobe Software and how it interacts with Apple's CPU's, although I suppose it could be in OS/X although it is reported in Linux systems also, so whatever Adobe is doing, it don't like Unix based OS systems.
 
i hope this highlights poor flash support by adobe on OSX, and that apple kicks their asses into making something better for us. i keep reading that windows flash is the only decent. which is *****, when u consider how many users are affected by adobes's laziness in writing a decent flash.

the quicker we can get rid of flash for html5 the better imo
 
I wonder if Adobe is using recursion, and the bigger the video screen, the more recursive the system becomes, until it uses 50% of 8 cores! Maybe Windows blocks recursion somehow and stops the plugin from using all the CPU cycles better than Unix based systems.
 
MacDSmith2 said:
No, its not just Safari; its also Firefox. The problem is in the Adobe Software and how it interacts with Apple's CPU's, although I suppose it could be in OS/X although it is reported in Linux systems also, so whatever Adobe is doing, it don't like Unix based OS systems.
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Apple's "cpus" are the same as any other windows laptops "cpus". Flash has always been eating 100-150% of my cpu both on leopard and snow leopard but only 20-35% in bootcamp under windows.

This is purely adobes fault resulted from a lackluster effort to code flash efficiently for anything other than windows.
 
rmg007 said:
MacBook Pro 13" 2.53 GHz C2D, 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.6.1 (Snow Leopard)
Safari 4.0.3 (6531.9)
Flash Player 10.0.r32

Watching the same JTV Gotye video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOevbchxOc), CPU usage:


High Quality:
Safari 64: 47%
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Windows 7 here on my laptop. That video made firefox get up to, at most, 20%. Then it settled to around 10 - 15. No reason why flash should be that bad on OS X.
 
tempusfugit said:
why the HELL should apple pick up adobe's slack? All of you saying that Apple should release their own flash plugin are crazy.

If adobe wants to survive they should start treating the massive amount of creative professionals using macs a little better by at least enabling them to view the content they make without any problems.

They make a creative suite for OS X and then make the end products suck performance-wise? Doesn't make any sense.

And seriously, who the hell designs adobe programs? Their UI is all dark color on darker color. Someone running that company must be color blind. Maybe autistic, too.
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Quite an incredibly fanboy thing of you to say. When X company (usually Microsoft) copies an Apple innovation, fanboys here b***h: "Don't copy, come up w/ something original." (furthermore, it's a one-way street when Apple's allowed to "borrow" form an existing technology like adding an FM transmitter into an iPod).

But you guys feel like you're entitled for OTHER companies to bend over backwards to make Apple-compatible software. Yeah, for good business, they SHOULD make it compatible... but when you COMMAND it, sure would make me want to waltz to the finishing line in getting it done if I worked for Adobe.

PS Nice way to dis autistic people. I'm sure the parents of autistic children are just loving your statement.
 
kanpachi said:
love the responses here..

if(mac) { fault = "flash"; }
if(pc) { fault = "windows"; }
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I'd say your code needs to be debugged.

Explain all the Windows users who complain about Quicktime and iTunes supposedly running like crap on Windows. Very few of those PC users seem to be blaming Windows.

AidenShaw said:
Is it not Apple's fault that Quicktime and Itunes are bloated pigs on Windows?
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You're missing my point. I'm not taking one side or the other, just pointing out the irony of the Windows users here accusing Mac users of always blaming everyone but Apple when they do exactly the same thing with regard to Microsoft.

Tu quoque and all that. :rolleyes:
 
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