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The second sentence seems to contradict the first. RROD.... ;)

Well you see that's the thing about the 360. People buy it even if it breaks over and over again. Just so you can see how brand loyalism is sometimes more important than quality or anything else. ;)

My PS3 is a beast though, although I remembered it crashed ONCE a few months ago, the poor thing was overheating. :(
 
I'm saying I have no experience or opinion regarding touch-based PCs, though one has to be less than impressed with Enderle's photo zoom demo.

Yet this more recent one is a "no zoom" demo:

Windows 7 Live Demo, Japan

I've played with the HP TouchSmart, and the Sony VAIO L VPCL116FX. Not thoroughly impressed - movement is jumpy and unresponsive at times.

Still prefer a mouse for navigating any perpendicular touch screen monitor.

Well you see that's the thing about the 360. People buy it even if it breaks over and over again. Just so you can see how brand loyalism is sometimes more important than quality or anything else. ;)

My PS3 is a beast though, although I remembered it crashed ONCE a few months ago, the poor thing was overheating. :(

Let's also keep in mind that each time someone buys a 360, MS is footing the bill substantially through subsidies. After factoring in the

warranty/recall charges amidst their looming Xbox deficit, (+$24B) the brand loyalism prize ought to be awarded to MS themselves,

while they literally pay consumers to buy them. Quite the recurring trend - Laptop Hunters, Bing for Cash, Microsoft Store Gift Bags, Xbox.....

You turn drinking into trying to do illegal drugs?

Pick one thing and run with it man. :rolleyes:

It's what he's been smoking all this time - seems pretty obvious.

Upping the hits to two - hardcore. :rolleyes:
 
Hi,

Personally I would never recommend buying a 1st generation of any product. Every newly released product gets "tested" by the people who bought them. This goes for Apple, Toyota, etc. Wait, at least, the the next revision so Apple can work the kinks out. That is if you can wait until March 2010...

s.

Exactly - well said. Not to mention prices usually drop after the first version of almost any sort (MOST cars perhaps excluded). Think iPhone.

Hmmm....speaking of cars and things made in China - wonder how they're doing with the Hummer acquisition? Aside from screwing up the planet a bit more. Just general musings there - knew I shouldn't have played the drinking game! :rolleyes:

My mid-2008 iMac and MB are working just fine - flash included. I'm hardly a hard core fangirl, but I truly enjoy both my machines. I make good use of AppleCare (usually my own screwup of some sort - I guess). I usually make sure and only call during the week, (the folks in Delhi DO try though).

Now why Apple doesn't get phone service for MobileMe at $99 a year, I have no idea. It works ok for me - well, most of the time. The advent of MM was definitely not one of Apple's finest moments. And me.com vs mac.com seemed rather silly - still does.

I'm certainly not going to upgrade to SL until - well until.

I did have to grin a bit when I read on other forums (and here, no doubt) about all the guys whipping out their CC's the first day the new Macs hit the store. And we women get blamed for impulsive shopping?? ;)

Side note - AppleCare & MM were (and probably still are) significantly cheaper on feeBay. As most of you no doubt know.

Well, carry on. An interesting read although no problems solved. Temporary fixes don't count as far as I'm concerned.
 
Well you see that's the thing about the 360. People buy it even if it breaks over and over again. Just so you can see how brand loyalism is sometimes more important than quality or anything else. ;)

My PS3 is a beast though, although I remembered it crashed ONCE a few months ago, the poor thing was overheating. :(

Well no, the xbox was released earlier, thus when I decided to buy a console, it was a case of either buying the console everyone else had, or the one that no one had, for more money.

It's not about brand loyalism, I just want to play GTA with my friends. If they didn't have xboxes, I'd have got a PS3, as they're pretty nice.
 
xbox360 is a POS

Well you see that's the thing about the 360. People buy it even if it breaks over and over again. Just so you can see how brand loyalism is sometimes more important than quality or anything else. ;)

My PS3 is a beast though, although I remembered it crashed ONCE a few months ago, the poor thing was overheating. :(

I'm fixing mine right now. The games are awesome and the software is actually really well done. But the chimps who designed the thermal dynamics of this thing should have their faces held against the white hot heatsinks for a few days...

I hate M$, but Xbox360's are cheap and the games even cheaper if you mod it ;)
 
Well no, the xbox was released earlier, thus when I decided to buy a console, it was a case of either buying the console everyone else had, or the one that no one had, for more money.

It's not about brand loyalism, I just want to play GTA with my friends. If they didn't have xboxes, I'd have got a PS3, as they're pretty nice.

Nah. How long have you been a console gamer? Brand loyalism goes way back in the day.

Console fanboys are in the same league as apple fanboys.

DMann said:
I've played with the HP TouchSmart, and the Sony VAIO L VPCL116FX. Not thoroughly impressed - movement is jumpy and unresponsive at times.

Still prefer a mouse for navigating any perpendicular touch screen monitor.

I had a Tx2 for a while, and I was impressed. And this was in the Vista SP2 days. No multi touch, but it was beautiful taking notes and making diagrams.

Too bad it get hot as hell.

Anyways, I'm sure once Apple releases some sort of multi touch monitor you'll be all over it and how better it is and how innovating it is, even though someone else did it first.
 
sweet. my 27" ship-date got pushed back to on or before Nov. 10. I got my order confirmation on Monday the 26th when shipping was running 3-5 days. Oh well. I guess I'll wait and see how mine does when it gets here.
 
Well you see that's the thing about the 360. People buy it even if it breaks over and over again. Just so you can see how brand loyalism is sometimes more important than quality or anything else. ;)

Brand loyalism or consumer stupidity? :D

Typically a product with such a horrific long-term failure rate would have been chased from the market with torches and pitchforks. I guess in Microsoft's case, money & fanboys heal all wounds. ;)

Though with a $299 PS3 now on the prowl, I predict a cold December indeed for Xbox.

Console fanboys are in the same league as apple fanboys.

Meaning, in part, Microsoft fanboys. Hence, Microsoft fanboys are in the same league as Apple fanboys. Go ahead, you can say it.

Anyways, I'm sure once Apple releases some sort of multi touch monitor you'll be all over it and how better it is and how innovating it is, even though someone else did it first.

What does doing it "first" matter if doing it first means doing it crappy?

iPhone didn't do a ton of "first" - but it did a ton of right first. Hence its meteoric rise.

Yet this more recent one is a "no zoom" demo:

Windows 7 Live Demo, Japan

Feel the burn. :)

Not just a "no zoom" demo but a "no anything" demo.

I'm sure Win 7 touch is amazing and those folks are just Apple fanboys trying to make Microsoft look bad. :rolleyes:
 
The solution is NOT to play your .flv files in Safari or FireFox, but download everything to disk and play it locally, using VLC player. This eliminates the problem completely.

Hmm. I tried this and it works. But what I also tried is streaming YouTube videos from VLC player as well (Advanced Open File...). It too ran silky smooth. So does this mean the issue is perhaps not the Mac hardware itself but the steaming functions within Safari and Firefox?

I am running a 2007 MacBook Pro 17" with Snow Leopard btw.

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Testing the new iMac

Okay folks.

I went to Best Buy and tested the 21 and 27" iMacs running safari with activity monitor up.

youtube videos (safari hits 20% and flash at 65-70% = 85-90% cpu usage)
sprint.com/nownetwork a flash intensive site (safari + flash = 120-130%)


The back of the iMac is almost too hot to touch over one area while running these sites.

I called Apple sales and they say that Flash is defective, not the iMac. The guy says my PC will also struggle with these sites. He said buy the iMac. It will run windows and the web better than my PC.

I have a Core 2 Duo running WinXp and the entire CPU usage hits 20% on youtube and 40-50% on the sprint website.

Sorry, Apple. I just don't buy it. Admit your top of the line machine has a software defect and that you are "working on it." Restore some confidence in your consumers that everything will be fine. As for me, I need a computer now so I'm going with a Core i7 PC. It won't be pretty, but I'll save $600 and won't have any regrets.
 
Sorry, Apple. I just don't buy it. Admit your top of the line machine has a software defect and that you are "working on it."

Newsflash: as mentioned a bajillion times already on this thread, Flash for OS X sucks. It's sucked on every machine I've ever run OS X on. Whether there is a specific issue with the newest iMacs that compounds the problem I don't know, but I do know that Flash blows on the Mac platform and the blame must be laid at Adobe's feet.

As for me, I need a computer now so I'm going with a Core i7 PC. It won't be pretty, but I'll save $600 and won't have any regrets.

No regrets eh? I'll take that bet. ;)
 
Newsflash: as mentioned a bajillion times already on this thread, Flash for OS X sucks. It's sucked on every machine I've ever run OS X on. Whether there is a specific issue with the newest iMacs that compounds the problem I don't know, but I do know that Flash blows on the Mac platform and the blame must be laid at Adobe's feet.


I don't have the issues that these videos are showing and I have a early 2008 iMac.
 
Okay folks.

I went to Best Buy and tested the 21 and 27" iMacs running safari with activity monitor up.

youtube videos (safari hits 20% and flash at 65-70% = 85-90% cpu usage)
sprint.com/nownetwork a flash intensive site (safari + flash = 120-130%)


The back of the iMac is almost too hot to touch over one area while running these sites.

I called Apple sales and they say that Flash is defective, not the iMac. The guy says my PC will also struggle with these sites. He said buy the iMac. It will run windows and the web better than my PC.

I have a Core 2 Duo running WinXp and the entire CPU usage hits 20% on youtube and 40-50% on the sprint website.

Sorry, Apple. I just don't buy it. Admit your top of the line machine has a software defect and that you are "working on it." Restore some confidence in your consumers that everything will be fine. As for me, I need a computer now so I'm going with a Core i7 PC. It won't be pretty, but I'll save $600 and won't have any regrets.

Software defect, not a hardware one ;)
 
Newsflash: as mentioned a bajillion times already on this thread, Flash for OS X sucks. It's sucked on every machine I've ever run OS X on. Whether there is a specific issue with the newest iMacs that compounds the problem I don't know, but I do know that Flash blows on the Mac platform and the blame must be laid at Adobe's feet.



No regrets eh? I'll take that bet. ;)

You may be right. I must say the super mouse is un-friggin-believable. Do they make that one for PC? The 27" screen is stunning if you haven't seen it. I really want this machine. I only wish the snow leopard could be a Lion when it comes to ruling the internet surfing dept.
 
Using Click2Flash and loving it. 90% of the flash stuff is advertising.

It's interesting to see which sites don't realize there's something much better.

http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/

As Aiden said a week before this "Flash performance" issue came up:

Once you go "no-flash", you won't go back.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8698122/

Love the start of your link:

Ever wanted to get rid of the scourge of the web that is Adobe Flash, but still retain the ability to view Flash whenever you want? With ClickToFlash, you can!​

;)
 
Brand loyalism or consumer stupidity? :D

Typically a product with such a horrific long-term failure rate would have been chased from the market with torches and pitchforks. I guess in Microsoft's case, money & fanboys heal all wounds. ;)

Though with a $299 PS3 now on the prowl, I predict a cold December indeed for Xbox.



Meaning, in part, Microsoft fanboys. Hence, Microsoft fanboys are in the same league as Apple fanboys. Go ahead, you can say it.



What does doing it "first" matter if doing it first means doing it crappy?

iPhone didn't do a ton of "first" - but it did a ton of right first. Hence its meteoric rise.



Feel the burn. :)

Not just a "no zoom" demo but a "no anything" demo.

I'm sure Win 7 touch is amazing and those folks are just Apple fanboys trying to make Microsoft look bad. :rolleyes:


A) While Xbox has fanboys (called xbotx), the number of them doesn't even come close to Sony or Nintendo fanboys. Sony fanboys have their own Sony Defense Force. When it comes to fanboyism, I dont think it gets any worst than Apple fanboys

B) As for Microsoft, they defetaed Apple in PC market. It is hard for you guys to accept but it is the truth. Billions of people don't think Apple computers are worthy compared to the PCs out there. It is a fact that annoys many of you. People want to do work with their computers. They don't want to create slideshows and upload them to youtube using quicktime. When it comes to the computer market, things get done the "Microsoft" way.
 
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