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OMG. You're joking, right? You don't add them all up! :rolleyes:

Hypothetically, if each one of those models sold 1 each, and the Xr sold 2, that makes the "Xr the best selling model" based on his words. That doesn't mean they sold a ton of anything. All is says is that it sold at least 1 more phone than the highest number of any other model.

You both said the same thing - one did so with irony!
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There is no fine here if it’s legally and technically true but inherently false.

This is not an outrageous statement like Elon Musk made and the market reacted wildly! Funnily, I doubt his big mouth meant to influence the market - probably, he was a little toked.

This is a calculated statement that was not at all needed at the moment, worded well enough to carry the meaning, and just inside the line not to trigger the SEC. Also, very lucky that the Fed made a big statement in a hint!
 
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Perhaps since Apple stated they won’ t disclose sales numbers, you are under the assumption that Apple doesn’ t know sales nr’ s of each model?
If it had been worthwhile to release a new se2, apple would have done that.
I love to hear all the comments about a 5 inch xr type iPhone with 326ppi for 649 us.

If or when apple sees an opportunity to sell more iPhones by releasing a new smaller one. They will or would have done that...

Nope!
Apple has a hidden agenda. Make users addicted to larger screens. The only reason they don’t make a smaller one. Price increases for smaller screens are hard to communicate. It’s the same concept like with memory. Understand?

There is a huge market for a smaller way cheaper iPhone, but it would kill their agenda!
 
I love my XR. $800 for 128gb that’s basically the same experience as the XS. Check out the thorough CNET review of the XR on YouTube if you’re thinking this phone is like a current day 5C because it most certainly is not.
 
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No, that was result of the US president and his trade and other policies. And Apple was not the only company who suffered.

The Trump angle is new. Wall Street had been downgrading based on rumours of poor demand and reduced production.
 
And that’s what people on here don’t understand, when loyal, long term customers are leaving, it should be a huge indicator that the ship has problems. Obviously it won’t crash over night, but just like Microsoft found out in 2013, Balmer’s 10 year leadership drove them into the ground. I see all the bad decisions that Tim makes and they are starting to add up.

Andriod is a very good operating system right now, I know lots of people who made the same decision as you and are very very happy.

Android isn’t very good. It’s good. The OP spent more money on a buggy, pixel 3 that can’t save pictures, boot loops, buzzes, horrible microphones, extra software added notches. And 2014 specs where the damn thing can’t keep apps in memory. But hey for $900, I’d pay that for night sight. Lmao.
 
Apple never comments on supply chain rumors. Heck they rarely comment on any rumors period.

True. They don't comment on innocent rumors, but—like the Bloomberg article that hurt people's perception of Apple—they will address rumors which could hurt them financially.
 
Isn't this just another way of saying "Apples iPhone XS and XS plus, their flagship phones, are not their best sellers"?

So what? Look at car companies. Is any car company’s top of the line vehicle its best seller? Apple now offers a range of iPhone models.
 
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Wow. Sales for the XS and XS Max must be REALLY bad.

I’ve been an iPhone guy since the beginning. I’ve owned nearly every iteration.

I didn’t upgrade to the X last year and this year I went a little crazy and ordered a Pixel 3 XL.
Don’t they are they bad just maybe not as high as projected

It still was an S year
 
True. They don't comment on innocent rumors, but—like the Bloomberg article that hurt people's perception of Apple—they will address rumors which could hurt them financially.
Until the Bloomberg story was eventually dismissed by almost everyone, it was an attack on Apple's reputation for privacy and security - which had the potential to hurt them financially.

Rumors, true or false, about production cuts may influence the stock price for a few weeks, but won't affect the company's bottom line.
 
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Nope!
Apple has a hidden agenda. Make users addicted to larger screens. The only reason they don’t make a smaller one. Price increases for smaller screens are hard to communicate. It’s the same concept like with memory. Understand?

There is a huge market for a smaller way cheaper iPhone, but it would kill their agenda!

But you really don’ t know this, do you?
How do you know the market is huge?
It is your opinion, and a few posters on forums, and perhaps your nephew and your brother , or something like that .
You really don’ t know. Only apple knows, because they know what people actually did buy.
If the se had been a runaway success , apple would have released one straightaway.
They didn’ t..... but perhaps they will in the next 6 months. For your sake, I really hope so. But my guess is , that it will never be $400, but at least $599.
 
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Most popular iPhone each day since it launched doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the most popular iPhone ever, or indeed even this year.
 
It's going to take a while (a year or more) for people to get focused on revenue versus unit sales. I think you are right. Apple had to say something to stop the stock from tumbling. From a pure numbers standpoint, Apple is a very strong company and strong investment. Apple is an "ecosystem" brand. The obsession with iPhone numbers misses that essential point. We all know that the smartphone market is saturated in certain parts of the world. We also know that people are keeping smartphones longer. At some point iPhone sales were bound to be flat. They might very well dip (unless emerging markets offset the decline in saturated markets) and stabilize over the next year or two as the public's new upgrade cycle (less frequent) becomes the norm. People are still going to upgrade, so unless Apple starts actively losing customers to Android, iPhone numbers should find a new normal in the coming years.

Apple customers buy a lot of Apple tech, so revenue should be the focus. Are the people who chose not to upgrade their iPhones this year buying AirPods and/or subscribing to Apple Music instead? Apple's Services and Other categories continue to see impressive growth, quarter over quarter, so Apple needs to get investors focused on the big picture. It's going to be a painful period of adjustment, however (as investors have already discovered).
Nailed it. Best comment so far
 
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Thats the thing most people bashing the XR dont seem to be able to get through their geek skulls. Apples LCD screens still blow away MANY Android phones that have OLED. OLED is very very far from mass adoption until prices come down. 99 percent of all tvs sold today are LED LCD models. I'll admit sometimes I miss 3D touch but its not worth $250.

The vast majority of consumers look at the XR and see 90 percent of what the XS is for much cheaper. It's really that simple. Plus the XR battery is damn near impossible to kill in a day, even with heavy use. And by day I mean like 18 hours. This thing is a beast in many ways. I only have to charge it every 2-3 days with regular use.

Price is only one problem of the Xr. The main problem I have with it is its size which is much closer to the Xs Max than to the Xs. And I am pretty sure I know why that is and big phones being popular is not the main reason imho. The bezels are bigger than on the Xs and the Max but those bezels are as small as Apple could make them with an lcd screen. Now on a 6.1 inch sized phone it does not look too bad as screen to bezel ratio is still okay. The same kind of bezels on an Xs sized phone would have shown the difference between the flagship and the medium class phone immediately. For obvious reasons Apple wasn‘t keen on that. Making it smaller would have been even worse and making it bigger would have disqualified it for mass adoption. What we end up with is a compromised phone that does please neither small phone crowd nor the large phone crowd totally. The great battery life people are into it though.
 
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Price is only one problem of the Xr. The main problem I have with it is its size which is much closer to the Xs Max than to the Xs. And I am pretty sure I know why that is and big phones being popular is not the main reason imho. The bezels are bigger than on the Xs and the Max but those bezels are as small as Apple could make them with an lcd screen. Now on a 6.1 inch sized phone it does not look too bad as screen to bezel ratio is still okay. The same kind of bezels on an Xs sized phone would have shown the difference between the flagship and the medium class phone immediately. For obvious reasons Apple wasn‘t keen on that. Making it smaller would have been even worse and making it bigger would have disqualified it for mass adoption. What we end up with is a compromised phone that does please neither small phone crowd nor the large phone crowd totally. The great battery life people are into it though.

I think you are correct re the bezels, LCD screen and reason for the overall size of the XR. Although for me (coming for Plus iPhones) the overall size is almost perfect for me. I find the X too small for my tastes and the MAX just a little too cumbersome. I found the Plus phones OK but wished they were slightly smaller.

One thing I can’t quite get with all the “X” range is the aspect ratio. Personally I would prefer something closer to 16:9 - ie a tad wider and less tall. But maybe I’m the only one.
 
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I think you are correct re the bezels, LCD screen and reason for the overall size of the XR. Although for me (coming for Plus iPhones) the overall size is almost perfect for me. I find the X too small for my tastes and the MAX just a little too cumbersome. I found the Plus phones OK but wished they were slightly smaller.

One thing I can’t quite get with all the “X” range is the aspect ratio. Personally I would prefer something closer to 16:9 - ie a tad wider and less tall. But maybe I’m the only one.
You're not alone. My wife and I both preferred LG v30 aspect ratios to the galaxy S9+ ratios.
 
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Perhaps since Apple stated they won’ t disclose sales numbers, you are under the assumption that Apple doesn’ t know sales nr’ s of each model?
I don't understand the above sentence, so will make a probably incorrect assumption...
Apple has released the unit sales for iPhones since they started selling them. A company chooses to do this because the figures obviously look good on paper and they are happy to release these figures.
When a company that does this changes their mind about releasing these figures then one would assume that displaying these figures is no longer in the companies interest. This means that the company expects those figures to not look so good any more.
If it had been worthwhile to release a new se2, apple would have done that.
Apple only releases one or two devices, they don't sell dozens of devices like other manufacturers, so have limited opportunity to do AB testing. When you have a limited amount of devices some things can be come self fulfilling prophesies.
For example, release only two larger phones, like from the release of the 6 and 6 plus, people only had the choice of big and bigger. If more people bought the larger phone lets say, this is cannot be used to indicate that people like big phones, only that a subset of your users like big phones.
The a few years down the line in addition to big and bigger, apple releases a small phone in the SE.
I don't know how well this phone sold, Apple does and will have drawn some conclusions from this.
But other factors come in to play such as markup on that device, average selling price, how many staff and what time it took for those staff to make that phone.
One can read in to this in many ways like
  • No one wants a smaller phone
  • Apple doesn't have the staff to create an additional phone
  • Creating an additional phone only gives the required markup if a shell already exists.
  • Perhaps Apple sees that those buying small phones only buys them every 3 years so the 5C was in 2013, the SE was in 2016 and we will see a new small phone in 2019
  • and so on...

I love to hear all the comments about a 5 inch xr type iPhone with 326ppi for 649 us.
I bought an XR at the weekend and was wishing that there was a 5-5.5 inch XR that had the same dimensions as the 6 that I had before.
I do like the size of the XR screen, I don't like the size of its body - it is hard to use it single handedly.
My wife got my replacement 6 (battery swollen issue) and was happy with that size and said she wouldn't like a larger phone.
I was concerned that the size of the XR wouln'd fit in my front jeans with my wallet, but it fits fine so far and I can sit with it in there ok.
But the phone is super slippery so will need to get a case, most of which I have seen add bulk.
I can't put this phone down on top of my bag (laid horizontal) temporarily on the train because it slides about.
I do worry that when I get a case, my wallet will stick to it like it did with the 6 case and ends up like a longer phone with the wallet stuck offset from the phone.
But in that case all I have to do is rearrange the wallet and phone before I sit so they are not offset to each other. (not sure if that comes over in words...)
If or when apple sees an opportunity to sell more iPhones by releasing a new smaller one. They will or would have done that...
Like above many factors come in to play where some geographies/demographics only buy large phones because it may be their only computing device.
 
I don't understand the above sentence, so will make a probably incorrect assumption...
Apple has released the unit sales for iPhones since they started selling them. A company chooses to do this because the figures obviously look good on paper and they are happy to release these figures.
When a company that does this changes their mind about releasing these figures then one would assume that displaying these figures is no longer in the companies interest. This means that the company expects those figures to not look so good any more.
When a company does that, imo, it's to stop the speculation and dissection of it's operating numbers by analysts, which are causing the market to falsely react. Without the unit sales the analysts will have to work that much harder to dissect the behind the scenes numbers.

Apple will now focus on it's monster revenue number, instead of it's monster unit sales numbers.
 
When a company does that, imo, it's to stop the speculation and dissection of it's operating numbers by analysts, which are causing the market to falsely react. Without the unit sales the analysts will have to work that much harder to dissect the behind the scenes numbers.

Apple will now focus on it's monster revenue number, instead of it's monster unit sales numbers.
Apple sets its own message, unit sales was a good number for them and now they choose not to report these.
People will read in to this as the figures aren't as rosy because this message isn't in Apples interests.
Reacting to poor unit sales is not falsely reacting.
 
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