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Apple's New Siri Will Be Powered By Google Gemini

JustForSneaks07 said:
Apple is now dry sucking to Google. Freakin' sellout decision and AI is overhyped. Wish Scott Forstall took over instead of dismissing him.
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Honestly I’ve gone back and forth on this but I kinda agree. Curious how he would have played it. Tim was quick to cut him after the Maps issue, but since then Apple has had worse releases (and non-releases/cancellations).

My understanding is he was a proponent of skeuomorphic design and Siri and both of those withered on the vine after he left.
 
Makes perfect sense, leave the data driven stuff to the data company
 
ATLAS-2 said:
If this is Apple simply licensing a Google model and running it privately on their own servers (without transmitting data to Google), this should only be seen as a win. It's clear that Apple cannot make their own foundational model, so licensing arguably the strongest existing model from a third party is the next best move.
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Making a model is trivial now. xAI did it in like 6 months. Everyone understands LLMs now. Making a basic one for the purposes they need is well within their reach. They have probably choked it by insisting it is on device or something unnecessary.
 
Love it. Who is copying who these days? Display tech, folding phone, AI, etc. All kidding aside, you're gonna love Gemini. I left Apple for Google about 6 months ago after being with Apple for decades. Welcome to the much-better Goolge universe! Looking forward to seeing Apple's new crop of emojis their R&D staff have been working on for OS 27. Let Google and Samsung do the real R&D. Cheaper to licesne it rather than develop it.
 
jz0309 said:
tried to use some Apple Intelligence features since getting my 17PM, haven't found any need, maybe it is time to set the toggle to OFF.
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I finally turned it of recently too. I was curious which features would disappear. Nothing I was using went away. Personally, I just want to read something written by a human and I can write my own emails and texts.
 
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Jokes aside, didnt apple already pair up with openai? is this going to be a back up to the backup?
 
Minato1990 said:
Damn bending the knee to google after the whole google maps fiasco back then.
Timmy you think Steve Jobs is happy about this?
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“The AI model that Google is developing for Apple will run on Apple's Private Cloud Compute servers, so Google will not have access to Apple data.”
 
fatTribble said:
I finally turned it of recently too. I was curious which features would disappear. Nothing I was using went away. Personally, I just want to read something written by a human and I can write my own emails and texts.
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yea, I just have not found anything that I consider useful, meaning helping me make certain things easier ...
like I tried priority notifications on but every single email I received was considered a priority ;(
and for imge "manipultion", I use Adobe LR/PS so don't need it

I've always been on the forefront of technology, but "AI" seems to be primarily a new way to search and "summarize" search results, I can do that myself. and yes, before I get hate, for some that is useful, for me, not so much.

I'll wait what Apple will offer and then decide if I want to use it or not, simple as that
 
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Objectively speaking, Grok is significantly ahead of the others when it comes to benchmarks. Wonder why they didn’t use Grok.
 
Jetson said:
Yes, I was very disappointed that Sony turned to Google to replace their Bravia operating system. I have used Sony's operating system for decades on various TVs and thought that it was marvelous. The supplanting of that with Google TV makes me shudder.

Also as an Apple TV 4K owner, I'd much rather have a "dumb" TV than a so-called smart TV that potentially spies on you. ATV does all that I need as far as connectivity is concerned.

Therefore having Google's camel nose pushing itself into iOS or the MacOS tent is quite unwelcome. Sure it looks like it's sandboxed now, but based on Google's business model of infiltration everywhere it doesn't bode well.
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I turned off WiFi on my LG OLED when the new Terms and Conditions said they could share any audio recordings from the remote. I don’t know what difference it would actually make, but it just feels creepy to me. I just want a TV to be a monitor anyway.
 
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I trust Apple to keep everything secure, so no issues there.

But choosing Gemini over other models? If the model is the same that Google uses for summaries with Google search, it will be disappointing. ChatGPT and Claude (and even Grok) are all so much better. This is going to make Siri continue to be dumber than the competition, and erode Apple's reputation even further.

Phone hardware is becoming a commodity. Qualcomm CPUs are slower than Apple's M chips, but still good enough for any phone. Apple is basically asking for Samsung to overtake them.

Apple needs to stop making these bad decisions.
 
New Mexico Bob said:
Love it. Who is copying who these days? Display tech, folding phone, AI, etc. All kidding aside, you're gonna love Gemini. I left Apple for Google about 6 months ago after being with Apple for decades. Welcome to the much-better Goolge universe! Looking forward to seeing Apple's new crop of emojis their R&D staff have been working on for OS 27. Let Google and Samsung do the real R&D. Cheaper to licesne it rather than develop it.
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I have a Google Pixel phone for work and an iPhone personally. The Google phone is just the worst. Ugly, complicated, seems like a copy of Apple design but an ugly version of it. I've tried to ask people that love Google to tell me how I can enjoy the device, but every time I use it, I just have deep regret. I have to stop mid-way, pull out my iPhone just to smile again. Please, I'm asking. Let us know why you like the Pixel phone. It would actually help me because I'm forced to have it and just don't understand why anyone would choose to purchase it on purpose.
 
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I assume this information is coming from Apple, with Bloomberg reporting, but I don't have access to the article.

It's mind boggling that people take Apple's word at face value that Google won't have access to the data, but don't want to use Google services because they "know" Google uses people's data for revenue. Does everyone just blindly trust that no data will be sent to Google because Apple is saying it?

Additionally, without seeing the full agreement, and the phrase "Apple data", not "Apple users' data", might still mean that user data is completely up for grabs.

Hopefully someone with more information can chime in here; posting Google will not have access to Apple data does not inspire any confidence on my part. For those not concerned, feel free to use the Gemini AI feature. For those with concern, simply turn off AI. If they get rid of the option to turn this feature off, I'll go back to whatever the modern-day equivalent to a pager is, or maybe just a hotspot for my notebook.
 
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This makes a lot of sense for Apple. The LLM “engine” is reasonably commodity stuff by now and Apple can swap it out any time. No point getting bogged down with that when they can buy a customised version like this with no loss of privacy for Apple customers.

Getting a new Siri working the way a lot of us expect (integrated with our personal data across apps) is really a very very hard problem. They should be focussing everything on that integration part and make it something really special and helpful.
 
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vjl323 said:
As long as we can turn these features off regardless of who the provider is, it's fine with me. I'd rather not have the water and energy wasted for LLM stuff.
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But you're OK with the "water and energy wasted" for all the other stuff going on in their data centers?
 
Rand0mUserNam3 said:
I’ve also played around with local models by Google and found them to be not that great compared to others.

Obviously these models are significantly smaller than what is referenced in this article, my perception is that Google is also behind the competition on AI.
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You clearly have not used the latest Gemini release. Your perception shouldn't be used to make comments about things that really aren't related at all.
 
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