Apple's Opening Court Statement Focuses on Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design

[samcraig]

They were VERY stupid for bringing him on...and this is why this exactly happened...a competitor (and Google was ALWAYS a competitor to Apple) sat on your board and you paid the price.



He stole both. Not only the iOS look but also the hardware look which he passed on to various handset makers.

Where's the proof. That's all I ask. Where is the proof that E.S. stole anything.

I'm not asking for a blog entry. An op-ed. An opinion piece. A hypothesis based on a timeline which doesn't take into any consideration what was discussed behind closed doors.

Surely if he was guilty, like I said - he would have been sued, right? I understand that some members of this forum want so desperately to believe in a conspiracy - and to point the finger at E.S. - but that doesn't excuse libeling someone or presenting their personal opinion as a fact.

If you want to say YOU BELIEVE E.S. stole parts of iOS and the iPhone form factor - go right ahead. But don't state that he did as if it were a definitive statement.

 

[aerok]

wow it really annoys me, the fact that there are a lot of idiots defending samsung, LOL, i hope they lose so bad.


samsung are just copy cats, i just wish they get what they deserve.

the most ironical and surprising part is that samsung copies and then comes talking crap as if they invented stuff and start accusing the inventors and pioneers of copying. wow, seriously.

Idiots? Ok so actually trying to level both companies on equal ground and not having baffling love for one corporation amkes us idiots? Please, look yourself in the mirror first sir.

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Where's the proof. That's all I ask. Where is the proof that E.S. stole anything.

I'm not asking for a blog entry. An op-ed. An opinion piece. A hypothesis based on a timeline which doesn't take into any consideration what was discussed behind closed doors.

Surely if he was guilty, like I said - he would have been sued, right? I understand that some members of this forum want so desperately to believe in a conspiracy - and to point the finger at E.S. - but that doesn't excuse libeling someone or presenting their personal opinion as a fact.

If you want to say YOU BELIEVE E.S. stole parts of iOS and the iPhone form factor - go right ahead. But don't state that he did as if it were a definitive statement.

There is no proof, there will never be proof. Only pointless silly didiotic assumptions to demonstrate love for a corporation.

 

[Oletros]

Didn't Apple invite hime before they stared their multi-faceted competition (mobile OS, desktop OS, Web documents, and now even ads and mapping)? And didn't Eric choose to leave once his company entered in earnest many of the areas Apple was already a major force in?

When Apple invited Schmidt Google already had started Google Docs and Android

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2006: Android prototype

When your first fact is false, the rest can't be better

 

[OceanView]

If you think Apple didn't steal or copy from another company, you are truly blind.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

When Apple invited Schmidt Google already had started Google Docs and Android

In fact... Android existed alone until Google purchased it.

 

[Judas1]

You're kidding, right? Shiny white plastic. Rounded corners. Chrome-ringed camera lens, top left corner. Logo top center. Yeah, I can see how you might miss the, er, similarities. Or did you not actually look at the pictures before responding?



Google's mind control powers have become impressive indeed - the vociferous defense of a Korean conglomerate knock-off artist is baffling.

Apple is good. Apparently, they now own rectangles, white, rounded corners, and now even branding.

 

[xanagu]

Good, if crapple lawyers are at the same level that tards of this forum, the future is secure

 

[Oletros]

In fact... Android existed alone until Google purchased it.

Exactly

 

[Levelut]

S3 is innovation, all others... not so much

Samsung has innovated with the Galaxy S3, if you think about it... had they come up with that phone instead of the Galaxy S... we wouldn't have these arguments. But to get there all they did was imitate, copy and just plane steal.
So I do hope they lose this lawsuit because they were one of the many suppliers for Apple and took advantage of that to just rip-off their supposed "partner".
F%$# Samsung

 

[LagunaSol]

Perhaps because I use their products via work and at home

You're responding to a non-rhetorical question directed at someone else.

 

[kdarling]

Have you ever seen the back of a white iPhone 3GS?

Yes. It came out in mid 2009. White back. Camera lens. Logo. Nothing that hadn't been done before. So have metal bands, btw. I'm sure that if I spent over a few minutes I could find more:

Stop posting images that have been debunked multiple times.

Yes, it would help if people at least edited out debunked sections like the store, the microphone, the power plug. Laziness does not help their case. Nor does the fact that Apple has never complained about any of those things.

...and package them in a pretty box, instead of a regular cardboard box. What now? They own pretty packaging, and nobody else can make pretty packaging? Just like they own rectangles?

Even the packaging was nothing new. White boxes with photos had been done, and the LG Prada had an internal arrangement in its box that was almost exactly what Apple came out with later for the iPhone:

Well, they can't openly accuse Eric Schmidt of this because they don't have proof and therefore it's slander. However, the timeline of events fits in perfectly.

Jan. 2007: Apple unveils the iPhone

Errr... you can stop right there. There was no need for someone to be on the Apple Board in order to start "copying" the iPhone after that point. It's also never been said that Schmidt saw an iPhone before then. We know that even AT&T didn't see it until around Christmas.

The fact is, neither Apple nor Jobs has ever suggested that anything was stolen before the iPhone was shown off in public. In fact, they went out of their way to praise Schmidt when he decided to leave:

"Eric has been an excellent Board member for Apple, investing his valuable time, talent, passion and wisdom to help make Apple successful,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO.

As litigious as Apple is, along with Job's "thermonuclear" speech, it seems that they had nothing against Schmidt.

 

[dethmaShine]

Exactly

Earth existed before the humans inhabited the planet. Does it make sense? No.

 

[Uncle David]

Whenever I'm blue I just log into these forums and watch the Fandroids wring their hands over all-things-Apple! Always brings a smile to my face!

 

[LagunaSol]

Apple is good. Apparently, they now own rectangles, white, rounded corners, and now even branding.

Straw man. There are plenty of companies that make rounded rectangular devices that don't look like flea market clones of Apple stuff.

Samsung should try it sometime.

 

[samcraig]

they were one of the many suppliers for Apple and took advantage of that to just rip-off their supposed "partner".
F%$# Samsung

How did they take advantage of being a supplier. They didn't need to be a supplier to copy (your assertion, not mine).

And are you going to say (type) with a straight face that Apple doesn't take advantage or game the system?

And we have another one so full of hate for Samsung. How do you live with yourself owning an Apple device full of tech innovated by Samsung. You know you hold that to your face!!!

 

[uknowimright]

That's not gonna go far as an argument in light of Samsung's internal documents about the F700 design, it's 2006 design registration, and frankly, their entire brief :

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices

Maybe Apple's lawyers should have familiarised themselves with this little nugget :

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Seriously, do Apple's lawyers even read court briefs ? This is gonna be interesting.

they got the same RDF that Jobs used to convince himself eel was vegetarian

 

[smoledman]

Even the packaging was nothing new. White boxes with photos had been done, and the LG Prada had an internal arrangement in its box that was almost exactly what Apple came out with later for the iPhone:
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So Apple copied the LG Prada, but they're allowed to get away with it because LG doesn't have the deep pockets to sue them.

 

[linux2mac]

Those "after" iPhone Samsung phones are exactly like iPhones. Hard to distinguish...

And it still amazes me that people can say with a straight face that Samsung did not copy Apple.

 

[iMikeT]

If I were a juror in this case, after seeing that before and after slide for 3 seconds, I'd instantly rule in Apple's favor and be done with the trial in minutes. No need to hear arguments from Samsung after that.

Clean cut case here really. I'd call anyone trying to defend Samsung at this point an Apple hater. And no, I'm no Apple boyfan .

 

[samcraig]

Straw man. There are plenty of companies that make rounded rectangular devices that don't look like flea market clones of Apple stuff.

Samsung should try it sometime.

You're a good dancer.

 

[Judas1]

Actually, the Maps Icon is Trademarked by Apple, http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_trademarks_280_for_ios_maps_icon/ Also, Apple has trademarked all of their iOS Icons in both low-resolution and hi-resolution.

And Samsung's icons are not the exact same icons. They show similar pictures because pictures have meaning, and they happen to have similar meanings to all of us. If they want to represent a call function, what do you want them to use beside a phone picture? If they want to represent a map app, what do you want them to use beside a generic (not the same one as Apple's) map picture?

 

[tdream]

If you bring up a similar graphic with all phone companies, HTC, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, etc, etc, etc. All phones pre 2006 look similar and all phones post iPhone will look similar too. Not really an indictment of Samsung, rather Apple changed the market. If you didn't follow the changing market you were left behind, ie. Nokia.

 

[huntercr]

That's not gonna go far as an argument in light of Samsung's internal documents about the F700 design, it's 2006 design registration, and frankly, their entire brief :

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices

Maybe Apple's lawyers should have familiarised themselves with this little nugget :

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Seriously, do Apple's lawyers even read court briefs ? This is gonna be interesting.

Apple's lawyers are well aware of this. The problem with Samsung's argument there is that almost all of those were protoypes. They were never actually built. Some of them never even made it to be working devices.
And note how cleverly Samsung blacked out the screen on them, so as to not point out that most of the were going to be Windows mobile phones prior to the iPhone. Ask yourself why none of those phones went to market if they were real? ( or at least by real I mean real touch screen phones that are competitors against the iPhone )

 

[LagunaSol]

The fact is, neither Apple nor Jobs ever even slightly suggested that anything was stolen before the iPhone was shown off in public. In fact, they went out of their way to praise Schmidt when he decided to leave:

Meaningless corporate boilerplate. What else would they say? "Eric Schmidt is a beady-eyed weasel and we kicked his spying arse out of our boardroom?" Please.

Perhaps you should read up on Jobs' opinion of Android. You know, the product from Schmidt's company. That should tell you all you need to know.

 

[samcraig]

If I were a juror in this case, after seeing that before and after slide for 3 seconds, I'd instantly rule in Apple's favor and be done with the trial in minutes. No need to hear arguments from Samsung after that.

Clean cut case here really. I'd call anyone trying to defend Samsung at this point an Apple hater. And no, I'm no Apple boyfan .

I'm glad you're not a juror then. There's more to a story than what the prosecution pulls out.

Really? the case would be decided just on that image alone. Apple supporter or Samsung support (or no supporter) - that's just ridiculous.