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"As we all know it is easier to copy than to innovate," he told the court. "Apple had already taken the risks."

The core reason why competitors who refuse to innovate fail.

Microsoft never innovated, and they did not fail.
 
You know if everyone sued for similarities. I would not be able to get cheap cereal. You know the store brand that looks and taste exactly the same as the name brand stuff. I couldn't buy that.

The only think that is similar about the phones in a touch screen. But that's what people want. I'm sorry but if Samsung didn't change it would have lost it's phone. They didn't make the Os either on there devices, that was Android, or ie google.


STOP THIS RIDICULOUS SUIT!

Tech products are not breakfast cereal. There's an enormous amount of innovation and risk associated with releasing new electronics devices. Surf on the other guy's established identity and good will and you've removed a huge amount of risk from the equation ("hey, that's just like the iPhone, it's gotta be good.")

You want to move to your example? People who like Lucky Charms aren't immediately going to pick up a bag of "Leprechaun" cereal just because it seems to be similar. But put it in the same size box with similar graphics and a closer name (e.g. "Luck and Charms") and you're inviting a lawsuit because the company worked long and hard to create a brand identity. So the food product may not merit protection but the trademark and trade dress do.
 
Meaningless corporate boilerplate. What else would they say? "Eric Schmidt is a beady-eyed weasel and we kicked his spying arse out of our boardroom?" Please.

Perhaps you should read up on Jobs' opinion of Android. You know, the product from Schmidt's company. That should tell you all you need to know.

Yes psychopathic Jobs said on his death bed that he would burn every last dollar of Apple's cash to destroy Android.
 
Don't hold your breath, but when the next iPhone comes out you may see that it looks quite similar to Samsung Galaxy S3.

If this happens, you better believe it Samsung, you're going to get sued again! :mad:

So Samsung have have a phone already on sale, yet Apple will so them? What flippin planet are you on?

So of you seriously need to get outside your mommies basement.

As for Eric, Apple asked him to the board, he removed himself from the meetings due to a conflict of interest. If you think some muppets made up horsehockey is even close to the truth god help the world.
 
Why are people mentioning the lg prada? The prada was a "nobody knows, nobody cares" phone. I highly doubt modern smartphones started moving to full touch interfaces because of the lg prada.

I wish ppl would stop with the lg prada stuff. It just seems like you guys don't even believe yourselves as you try to convince others that the prada had some kind of influence on the industry.
 
Tech products are not breakfast cereal. There's an enormous amount of innovation and risk associated with releasing new electronics devices. Surf on the other guy's established identity and good will and you've removed a huge amount of risk from the equation ("hey, that's just like the iPhone, it's gotta be good.")

You want to move to your example? People who like Lucky Charms aren't immediately going to pick up a bag of "Leprechaun" cereal just because it seems to be similar. But put it in the same size box with similar graphics and a closer name (e.g. "Luck and Charms") and you're inviting a lawsuit because the company worked long and hard to create a brand identity. So the food product may not merit protection but the trademark and trade dress do.

So that is says SAMSUNG at the bottom means nothing?

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Why are people mentioning the lg prada? The prada was a "nobody knows, nobody cares" phone. I highly doubt modern smartphones started moving to full touch interfaces because of the lg prada.

I wish ppl would stop with the lg prada stuff. It just seems like you guys don't even believe yourselves as you try to convince others that the prada had some kind of influence on the industry.

So ignore reality, RDF in full force!
 
But just by coincidence, following the introduction of iPhone, touch support on the Android platform got increasingly better.

It's worth a sell. Not sure I buy it though.

Well remember around 2007 capasive touch screens had dropped to the point in cost that they were both good enough and cheap enough to use in phones. Windows mobile 6.5 did not support multi touch and really only supported resitive touch screens.

Around the iPhone that changed and what you needed as an OS that could use it (Android).

That combonation made touch screens popular because they go from a rather poor touch screen type to a good touch screen type.
 
It's quite obvious Samsung copies Apple in almost everything:

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This is the easiest explanation for how Samsung copies Apple when it comes to smartphones and consumer electronics.
 
Microsoft never innovated, and they did not fail.

I consider Microsoft as a huge innovator.

NT Kernel, Windows 7 jumplists, MinWin, Metro, Windows Phone, Office 365, Azure, XBox, Ergonomic natural keyboards, Arc Mouse.

On and on..
 
Apple's lawyers are well aware of this. The problem with Samsung's argument there is that almost all of those were protoypes. They were never actually built. Some of them never even made it to be working devices.
And note how cleverly Samsung blacked out the screen on them, so as to not point out that most of the were going to be Windows mobile phones prior to the iPhone. Ask yourself why none of those phones went to market if they were real? ( or at least by real I mean real touch screen phones that are competitors against the iPhone )

Because - like every company - even Apple - a phone or series of phones can go through countless iterations. Have you not seen all the different versions of the iPhone before it was released? Ask yourself why none of them never came out... :rolleyes:

Meaningless corporate boilerplate. What else would they say? "Eric Schmidt is a beady-eyed weasel and we kicked his spying arse out of our boardroom?" Please.

Perhaps you should read up on Jobs' opinion of Android. You know, the product from Schmidt's company. That should tell you all you need to know.

No. As someone who works in PR and Marketing I can assure you that if Apple didn't have anything nice to say - they simply would have stated the facts. The PR dept would never offer that kind of quote for Steve to sign off on or to even get if there was malice.

Jobs' opinion of Android has nothing do with the E.S. guilt or innocence. Talk about a straw man argument.
 
And Samsung's icons are not the exact same icons. They show similar pictures because pictures have meaning, and they happen to have similar meanings to all of us. If they want to represent a call function, what do you want them to use beside a phone picture? If they want to represent a map app, what do you want them to use beside a generic (not the same one as Apple's) map picture?

I was simply pointing out that Apple did own rights to their map icon in iOS, not Google and that apple has gone as far as trademarking their iOS icons for protection. I never said anything about Samsung or any other company not being able to use similar icons.
 
So ignore reality, RDF in full force!

no rdf. There are things that influence the industry and things that don't. You're seriously going to sit here and tell me that all these phones started looking the way they did AFTER the iPhone came out, and it was due to the lg prada? Why lie to yourselves that much?

I personally don't believe Samsung phones look like clones of iPhones. But anyone who tries to say that oems didn't take cues from the iPhone and instead took it from the freakin prada are delusional...
 
I fail to see how Apple can gain patents to generic functionality and icons. This is ridiculous. Judge Posner should evict Lucy Koh and send her to the gulag.
 
Enjoy your Samsung refrigerator. Er, microwave. Uh, washer/dryer? I forget what faceless Korean product we're talking about.

Actually I have GE appliances. And what face do Apple products have on them. Steve Jobs? I'm technologically agnostic. The right tech for the right job. I have several Apple products. I have a few Samsung. I have several other brands like Canon, Nikon, etc.

What's your point?
 
no rdf. There are things that influence the industry and things that don't. You're seriously going to sit here and tell me that all these phones started looking the way they did AFTER the iPhone came out, and it was due to the lg prada? Why lie to yourselves that much?

I personally don't believe Samsung phones look like clones of iPhones. But anyone who tries to say that oems didn't take cues from the iPhone and instead took it from the freakin prada are delusional...

Everyone takes cues form successful products. Does it bother you that ubuntu's UI looks like Windows 7?

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Actually I have GE appliances. And what face do Apple products have on them. Steve Jobs? I'm technologically agnostic. The right tech for the right job. I have several Apple products. I have a few Samsung. I have several other brands like Canon, Nikon, etc.

What's your point?

I guess his point is that anyone who buys a non-Apple product in an area that Apple competes is some sort of dummy or idiot.
 
Yes psychopathic Jobs said on his death bed that he would burn every last dollar of Apple's cash to destroy Android.

The psychology I studied in college leads me to believe that Jobs had anger issues :) And no doubt, what happened with Android brought up ALL the hate and negativity that surrounded his early years with Microsoft. And damn if he was going to let it happen again...
 
I consider Microsoft as a huge innovator.

NT Kernel, Windows 7 jumplists, MinWin, Metro, Windows Phone, Office 365, Azure, XBox, Ergonomic natural keyboards, Arc Mouse.

On and on..

None of those things were really new, especially not the NT kernel. I'm not saying that they copied everything, but they didn't make anything groundbreaking. The original Windows was a copy of the Mac system, though.
 
None of those things were really new, especially not the NT kernel. I'm not saying that they copied everything, but they didn't make anything groundbreaking. The original Windows was a copy of the Mac system, though.

And the original Mac System was a copy of the Xerox system.

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None of those things were really new, especially not the NT kernel. I'm not saying that they copied everything, but they didn't make anything groundbreaking. The original Windows was a copy of the Mac system, though.

Oh yeah, nothing ground breaking, they only made an OS so popular, that Microsoft and PC OEMs literally drove Apple to the point of bankruptcy in the 90s.
 
So Apple copied the LG Prada, but they're allowed to get away with it because LG doesn't have the deep pockets to sue them.

Huh? LG may not be the largest conglomerate in Korea, but it is the second largest (about $90 billion in revenue) to Samsung. It not only has deep pockets, but its deep pockets have deep pockets.
 
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