I also wouldn’t rule out the DMA creators / barristers posting here under an alias.
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Apple's Phil Schiller Discusses Risks of Alternative App Stores on iPhone
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I like your sense of reality.
As opposed to your scenario, Phil's public comments, either within official Apple material or outside of it, have been on many occasions direct reactions to what people write here. One of these being "can't innovate anymore my a$$". On top of that having been immortalized on the internet, married to that turd device.
Ummm... I don't think you have a choice to jump from a British Airways or Lufthansa airplane mid-flight
Ummm... I don't think you have a choice to jump from a British Airways or Lufthansa airplane mid-flight
I think the point was that he's an adult and can therefore take extreme risks if he feels like it. Whether that's skydiving, or installing an app on his phone from a non-Apple app store.
Or just fly Alaska Airlines.
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Although I'm all about customers having choices, I wish that Apple didn't have to open their walled garden. Those who want the appearance of being safe and secure should have that option. For those who want the freedom of choice, there's Android.
I switch back and forth between Android and iPhones based on whichever offers the best value for the dollar at the time I want to upgrade my phone.
With iPhones having the option to install apps from alternative app stores (for now, EU only) there will be one less reason to choose Android. This is going to increase iPhone's marketshare and in spite of Apple's public whining about it, they'll be the beneficiaries of this.
I switch back and forth between Android and iPhones based on whichever offers the best value for the dollar at the time I want to upgrade my phone.
With iPhones having the option to install apps from alternative app stores (for now, EU only) there will be one less reason to choose Android. This is going to increase iPhone's marketshare and in spite of Apple's public whining about it, they'll be the beneficiaries of this.
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After the fact that would be a prudent decision. The app seemed legitimate, actually did what it said it would accomplish. The problem was an ancillary payload hidden in the app. To be honest I cannot 100% blame the app but I am about 99% certain the app caused the problem. My android device ceased to function one day after downloading the app, the only change to the system.
I understand, but it's an idealistic point of view that isn't reflective of how the world works.
When you're on Alaska Airlines, you have to apply by the rules and regulations that Alaska Airlines dictates. You can't just take do whatever you feel like just because you bought a ticket.
In the same way, Apple dictates what you can and can't do with their platforms.
I sympathise, and you may well be right, but correlation isn't causation. It would be unusual for an app to break a phone. It's very common for people to attribute any fault with a computer to "it's got a virus", when there's lots of reasons things can stop working. It sounds more like a hardware fault TBH.
The Alaska Airlines comment was a joke - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/0...nd-many-loose-bolts-on-its-boeing-737-max-9s/.
DMA in EU is just the beginning, UK will follow and most likely US as well. I’m also pretty sure that the ridiculous non Apple Store tax will be nullified in court.
Apple likely know they're taking the piss with their proposals. It's all part of the bargaining posture - start with an outrageous offer and gradually meet in the middle. They may also be hoping to sneak powerful but seemingly innocuous stipulations past the regulators.
Or perhaps they really do have that much hubris.
Or perhaps they really do have that much hubris.
Apple likely knows that people will be coming in more often for support due to issues stemming from maliciously created or poorly developed apps through alt app stores. A simple solution is to require a full factory reset of devices that contain such applications prior to servicing. If problem goes away after full reset, and before these are loaded back, push the remediation of the issue back to the user and tell them to have a nice day.
To be fair, AppleCare would likely do the same with your Mac if you took it in. IT guys don't waste time trying to diagnose a problem in a complex system. It's SOP to just wipe / reinstall the OS and go from there.
Most viruses try to keep as stealthy as possible. The exception is ransomware. Viruses want to steal information, infect other systems. Doing something that exposes themselves is not conducive to their mission.
My device was not a phone but an android tablet. The day after installing the app the device became unresponsive to the virtual keyboard. No amount of coaxing, persuasion, swearing, threats of harm and looks of anger worked. I restored the device to factory, reinstalled all the apps but the last app. Everything was working as it should. That would indicate no hardware issues. Did android get snockered or did the app cause the problem? I cannot be 100% certain. I blamed the app as that was the last change made to the device. Bad timing? Not real common in my experience. A couple of months later the app was removed from the play store as having issues, such issues never explained. I thus think my suspicions were correct.
Google is not as good as Apple in vetting apps in their stores based on my experience. And reports of apps in the Google store that were less than honorable. Will a third party store be as diligent as Apple or even looser than Google? Can Apple vet apps in third party stores? If Apple can, that would certainly help with the trust level of the third party store. I have seen, read, and experienced enough issues with stuff from the web that my trust of third party sites is very low.
In my opinion I think Apple is correct to be concerned. When something happens to people's devices they almost always blame the vendor of the device. Android phone stops working, it is the manufacturers and providers fault. Apple phones stop working the problem is Apple's. I have spent enough time in the local Apple Store mostly purchasing or getting physical repairs to observe others. Several people in the store with problems on their phones, iPads and Macs where the only resolution was a DFU restore. The whining and waling from losing all their photos is obvious. Were the problems IOS related or the problem in an app? Or both? Or just bad luck?
When third party apps get involved in the mix how is Apple going to respond in the retail stores? Is Apple going to look at the phone, discover a third party app and refuse to go any further than a DFU restore? I know sending a device in for repair is automatic wiping of the phone back to factory settings. Will that become common when Apple employees in retail stores encounter a device with problems?
Is allowing third party apps going to open up a lot more apps? At a cheaper price without the Apple tax? Will the additional apps further improve the Apple ecosystem?
I don't know the answer to any of the questions. Only time will tell.
And Alaska Airlines is subject to the rules of the FAA, which implements the rules or guidelines of the IATA, and has to follow them. Just like Apple has to follow EU rules or any rules of any government body where they want to do their business.
If Alaska Airlines were to dictate rules opon its customers in violation of the FAA or IATA, they would be removed from the market, and the same applies to Apple.
And that is exactly what I did with my Android device. It was easier to just start over rather than spend time trying to determine if the issue was hardware or software (Android or an app).
It would never happen, but what I wonder would the response from EU be if Apple just stated they would no longer sell phones in the EU. Or the response from the people living in the EU. It's not as if an Apple phone is a requirement for life.
I agree wholeheartedly.
You may be surprised, but Apple has broken no laws.
The DMA does not target Apple specifically but attempts to create a new legal framework for digital platforms.
As such, what is going on here is the equivalent of the FAA establishing new, updates rules for all airlines.
Doesn't really matter because that will never happen. Too sweet are the EU €€€ with their legacy Irish tax deal.
I am not surprised. Just obviously annoyed by the hypocrisy from people here and from Apple (or both if they are the same) since Apple did not once complain in the public space about the destruction of privacy and security for Chinese citizens and their glass iCloud. But the money is more valuable than privacy and security for users, in Apple's view.
Some acolytes here like to portray this law as bullying Apple.
Yup.
Thanks! much if it comes the entitlement so prevalent in these boards.
Says the man worth hundreds of millions of dollars employed by the company worth trillions of dollars.
And you think adding that info helps people believing him in saying the truth, which is a cluster**** level of conflict of interest by the sheer multiplier of said sums?
They definitely don’t want to lose their income, but what monopoly do you speak of?