Not a problem on MacOS.
Why a problem on iOS?
So, it’s a profit problem, not a security problem.
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Apple's Phil Schiller Discusses Risks of Alternative App Stores on iPhone
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Not a problem on MacOS.
Why a problem on iOS?
So, it’s a profit problem, not a security problem.
That wasn’t difficult.
Next, lol.
That may be true for you and me - but I would assume a very large portion of Apple's multi-billion base of users cannot make an informed decision about that.
There's a risk we could make less money and that's bad for our executive team's pay.
Like I said, tell them to figure it out themselves. Or pay Apple to fix it.
Mac has increasingly had these issues, but nice try.
First there are a whole class of apps neither Google nor Apple allow on their stores; ad blockers.
I mean real ad blockers that set up a local VPN then have a whitelist/blacklist so you decide what appears on your phone.
This directly eats into the revenue stream.
On Android it's a simple fix and you side load the ad blocker.
On iOS this isn't possible.
That is but one legitimate reason for side loading. I have others.
There is nothing that makes this a security issue because if you never open the door it cannot be opened. A malicious app cannot allow side loading because a curated application that enabled side loading wouldn't be available in the store.
I mean real ad blockers that set up a local VPN then have a whitelist/blacklist so you decide what appears on your phone.
This directly eats into the revenue stream.
On Android it's a simple fix and you side load the ad blocker.
On iOS this isn't possible.
That is but one legitimate reason for side loading. I have others.
There is nothing that makes this a security issue because if you never open the door it cannot be opened. A malicious app cannot allow side loading because a curated application that enabled side loading wouldn't be available in the store.
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So has iOS recently.
But keep swinging for the fences.
But the fact remains, the app store is about profit, not security.
I'm fine with Apple maximizing their profitability,but not at the the expense of consumer choice and then lying about why they are doing it.
Those who want to stay in the app store can.
Those who don't want to can do as they choose.
Their choice doesn't affect those who choose to stay.
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That is already their treatment for any third-party app. Restore from backup or without.
And Apple: "Yes we reviewed that app. But was it on the App Store or somewhere else?
Can't pay Apple for sth they f***ed up themselves. If they haven't been delivering security updates for months, it's on them.
Psst! Don't say that, you wake up the shareholders.
Please don't debunk their fearmongering. Makes them very upset and nervous.
The risk would be having people like Microsoft etc require you to download a whole store to download Office. Then every other developer following suit.
Apple can simply counter that by making an attractive, competitive offer to developers for distribution through their own store. They even have - and it doesn't look as if that's going to change - the advantage that their (the Apple) App Store comes preinstalled on devices.
I've got no idea why (m)any developers would want to leave Apple's App Store - as long as it provides a competitive offer?
Exactly why Apple is so tightly trying to hold onto it's iOS App distribution monopoly, EU be damned
They don't want to have to actually compete.
No monopolist ever does
It's why the monopoly has to end
People don't even realize the damage being done to them when a monopolist is involved
It's interesting how iOS Geek downvotes your quote from Apple's website where they state how safe it is to download apps from the internet, how apps get automatically scanned for malicious code.
I mean, what more proof do we need about Apple's lies? They told the commissioner and the public the complete opposite while they assure Mac customers at checkout the continued security.
I guess the tech researchers at the DMA commission were confronting Tim Cook about that at their meeting, making him feel uncomfortable caught with the hands in the jar.
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I didn't want to have to sign up for the developer program just to share my app with my classmates. Besides, I can manage a group of < 30 people I know coming to me with bugs and me fixing them when I had time. Less so when the group would hypothetically enlarge to ~100 users I may or may not know who may or may not rely on that app, and I would have to carve time in order to fix those bugs in a timely manner. In addition, I would have to monetize the app in order to make up for the straight up loss of money from Apple's dev program. A recipe for disaster.
All of that just so some people can keep their moral high ground about sideloading.
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Honestly I think that would be a good thing for developers. Big companies like MS, Google etc. will find zero trouble guiding customers to their own marketplace. This would free up the App Store from big corporations and give developers space to actually make their apps visible, which is largely impossible by all the ad spaces that clutter the App Store which are bought from bigger players and bury smaller players underneath them.
These are two different issues.
EU is wanting alt app store and payments.
You want easier app dev/testing...
sideloading might solve both issues.
but doubt either use cases are going to see much money generated and allow people more interested in finding backdoor holes to exploit putting everyone at risk.
What Apple has proposed isnt sitting well because people wanted open slather and free apps.
This is what happens when law makers write specs... Apple has met those specs and circumvented the intent.
a phone is a locked down device with some ability to add apps. the original iPhone had no nonApple apps at all.
a computer is a tool. can be adapted and used in many different ways.
not every consumer wants or needs a PC but almost everyone wants a phone.
Apple is a business. a very successful one. to say "hand in the jar" belittles their efforts and implies they are crooks.
ever tried getting rid of Temu once you download app and give away your email and phone number?
it all looks legit to start with...
and friends have installed and regretted it very quickly ...
or brick a company email system. that's what one Android app on an employee phone kept doing until IT tracked who it was connecting, reset their phone and upped the firewall protection level making something harder for everyone to do their normal jobs...
a bad app can affect more than the phone it is on.
the last year i've done some tech help sessions with aged care residents.
the lack of understanding about security, installing, scams and permissions...
one lady was being asked about sending notifications to all her friends.
"how did this suddenly happen? do I allow it?"
she had given access to her Contacts and the app trawled through creating invites from "her"... sigh.
This is what we are up against.
the lack of understanding about security, installing, scams and permissions...
one lady was being asked about sending notifications to all her friends.
"how did this suddenly happen? do I allow it?"
she had given access to her Contacts and the app trawled through creating invites from "her"... sigh.
This is what we are up against.
Please expand on the damage being done “to them”. Please cite where apple has been defined as an illegal monopoly or any service there of.
turbineseaplane doesnt seem to know what monopoly mean.
two different OSes control most of the phone world. Duopoly ...
and they compete for customers. And Android have how many different companies skinning their OS?
and customers are free to choose either phone as most app stores have same apps available apart from OS company ones.
Apple compete against millions of other apps in their store. As does Google.
I can choose to use Spotify over Music - and do. Apple cant force me to use their apps.
I can Google Maps instead of Apple Maps.
Apple created a very integrated hardware and software option. It works for most people.
Android gives you more options and control. That works for other people.
If I really wanted to run game emulators on a phone, I would just by a second Android without SIM card.
Ive done this many times. Use wifi to download content offline for Spotify and take device with me on holidays.
Or Netflix content. Easy to add lots of memory via cheap SD card.
And doing this requires no change on Apple or Googles part...
I can purchase a subscription outside the app store.
I create an account and log in on a phone.
I use those details in a free app to prove it's me. Content and access available.
Like Netflix, Office and Spotify. Apple is making no money this way.
If users download the app and subscribe that way only then does Apple make money.
For other apps, devs get tools and exposure they would have trouble in a physical store. all for a small cut of their asking price. A price they set and can update. These tools allow a lot of sole devs to make a living.
All this "control" and greed that Apple supposedly has...
We'll see if Apple met those specs.These are two different issues.
EU is wanting alt app store and payments.
You want easier app dev/testing...
sideloading might solve both issues.
but doubt either use cases are going to see much money generated and allow people more interested in finding backdoor holes to exploit putting everyone at risk.
What Apple has proposed isnt sitting well because people wanted open slather and free apps.
This is what happens when law makers write specs... Apple has met those specs and circumvented the intent.
With the lies they presented and are laid open, they are by definition.
Can be the same from one Apple Store app.
Apple's words are against yours.
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Um, re-read what I actually wrote...
Android PHONES has software installed by user and it brought our work email system down. multiple times.
IT guys tracked down the phone by log in times.
located the app.
then locked down the network with stronger security to stop things happening again.
this is the future of bad apps. you dont want Apple checking alt app store apps. you want to load anything you can.
you can argue all you want (and you are a very small group doing it on a tech site).
explain why you dont just go Android and load whatever?
surely that environment suits you better. already...