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So there were no benefits about the Xbox one s over the OG Xbox one? No upscaling or anything? Was it just rebranded? Because I personally know a couple of folks that upgraded to the S, than to the X. NONE of them are upgrades in MY eyes, but they are in fact an upgraded SKU. Otherwise, Microsoft wouldn't have released it.

Hmmm... A quick Google search shows otherwise btw.

It was indeed a minor hardware upgrade, not one to be worth shouting about, a small gpu boost, support for HDR, and 4k blu-rays.
 
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Personally, I think that Apple's approach to the app store is generally bang on. Having switched to android recently, the one thing I miss is the quality of Apple's iOS App store. Google's apps are all over the place, with crashes, advertising that sucks, everywhere, and some apps that plain just don't work. Everything else is fine, and in many cases better for me, but the Google Play store, or whatever it's called needs to be completely re-thiought, re-built, and properly managed. Apple have got it right on all fronts, it has to be said, 'Schiller Spin' or not.
 
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Personally, I think that Apple's approach to the app store is generally bang on. Having switched to android recently, the one thing I miss is the quality of Apple's iOS App store. Google's apps are all over the place, with crashes, advertising that sucks, everywhere, and some apps that plain just don't work. Everything else is fine, and in many cases better for me, but the Google Play store, or whatever it's called needs to be completely re-thiought, re-built, and properly managed. Apple have got it right on all fronts, it has to be said, 'Schiller Spin' or not.

Agreed, but I’m not sure it applies here. Steam is nothing more than a thin client. The processing and purchasing is all done on your pc via a remote session.

There no legitimate reason to block this except for Apple killing off a potential app that may take out a few cents from its bottom line.
 
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This is incorrect - you cannot use the PC while streaming a game, at least not without extra modifications and major inconveniences.
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3. Use moonlight, since it probably works better than Steam IHS anyway.
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Apple can't buy Steam at all, since Valve is a private company and Gabe has no interest in selling it. The original post is obviously absurd, though.
Everyone has a price and Apple can get it if they want it was the point. Everything is for sale.
 
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Steam Link is simply a remote desktop app. That’s it, that’s all it does. For Apple to block this but none of the other remote desktop apps already on the App Store is truly absurd.

I see this as an incredibly stupid move from Apple. It’s bone headed, tone deaf, and frankly toxic. Every time they pull a stunt like this which is so clearly against the interests of their own customers it defies logic. It’s truly idiotic.

I have an NVidia Shield TV as well as an Apple TV so I’ve used Steam Link a lot. To be frank, it’s laggy (even over a fully wired network) and not very impressive, but people should be able to find that out for themselves regardless of which box they own.

Did you read the article? They are working with them to bring the app to the App Store.
[doublepost=1527425867][/doublepost]A lot of unreasonable comments in here. Does Apple need Steam? Of course not, but I’m sure they can see the value in having their app on the Apple TV and other iOS devices. Apple is a business and needs to make sure the app doesn’t violate any of its guidelines that are the same for any other business. Once it does, it will be released. Pretty simple. People act like Apple is wrong for protecting their business and sticking to their guidelines.
 
Apple also don't need Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, Google Maps/Waze, etc. but block those apps and see what happens to their user base.

Just look at the failed Homepod when they restrict it to Apple Music only. It's DOA.

I’m not sure about that. Yes the HomePod was pretty much DOA, but I don’t think anything could take down the iPhone. It sells on brand name alone. People would still buy it in the same numbers and just use Apple apps only for that content.
 
What exactly is the point of this app anyway? From what I'm reading, it lets you stream Steam games from a PC over the local WiFi network. What exactly is the benefit here? If you're already home, might as well play the games directly on the PC with less lag and smoother gameplay?

I'm annoyed that an app was approved and then denied afterwards; that's a bait and switch and Apple basically caused Valve to waste their time. However I'm trying to understand the actual point of this app.

What would be nice if steam software (Skyrim, Planet Coaster, Friday the thirteenth and Wolfenstein) was designed for the Apple iPad or streamed from the site itself or purchases could be made and download to the iPad.
 
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Did you read the article? They are working with them to bring the app to the App Store.
[doublepost=1527425867][/doublepost]A lot of unreasonable comments in here. Does Apple need Steam? Of course not, but I’m sure they can see the value in having their app on the Apple TV and other iOS devices. Apple is a business and needs to make sure the app doesn’t violate any of its guidelines that are the same for any other business. Once it does, it will be released. Pretty simple. People act like Apple is wrong for protecting their business and sticking to their guidelines.
The fact that Apple denied the app in the first place alone, shows that sticking to business is not considered pro-consumer, based on the outrage from literally everyone who isn't blinded by apples horrible tactics. If they cannot profit from every single aspect, they are not interested. Sure this will only seed to apples wealth if they continue down this path, but will this be in the interest of consumers? Not at all. Look at how many people have considered this "the last straw".
 
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Apple just wants their 30% for any purchases made from apps via their app store.

Pretty silly if you ask me .Steamlink doesn't work (yet) outside of LAN. Should just post a tutorial somewhere to side load Steamlink on iOS devices.

It doesn't matter to Google because people can side load many apps out of the box, and not directly from the Play store. Amazon's entire Droid app business model depends on this (their own Droid device market share is abysmal).
 
I wrote an email to Apple and got this same response from Phil Schiller. I pointed out that Steam Link would selll more Apple TV’s with the dearth of good games available for Apple TV. Hardly any good iPhone games are ported and optimized for Apple TV.

INDEED, the rumored approval of Steam Link pushed me over the top to upgrade to the 4K model for faster network speeds via gigabit.

The notion that people would only buy games through Steam is ridiculous (especially for iPhone or iPad) because they would be tethered to their house.

And Steam can’t be stealing sales from Apple if Apple only has a handful of decent games on Apple TV.

I hope there is a workaround but it sounds like it would take significant coding on Valve’s part since they now simply mirror the PC or Mac where Steam runs.
 
Apple also don't need Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, Google Maps/Waze, etc. but block those apps and see what happens to their user base.

Just look at the failed Homepod when they restrict it to Apple Music only. It's DOA.

You do realize that your DOA statement will just ignite a secondary and unrelated to Steam argument in this thread?
 
"I could see a very real situation where many people just straight up stop buying things from the App Store and exclusively purchase Steam games through Valve instead" That was the most stupid thing i ever heard
 
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Apple need Steam but Steam don't need Apple. Tread carefully Apple.

I think it is the other way around.
Apple doesn't need steam as they don't generate income more iPhone sales, even with the app.
But steam need apple as they need to get the app to as many people so they get used to it.
 
Screw Apple w/ its 'too cool for school', 'too good to approve my app' elitest attitude. Gabe Newell better get the lawsuit paperwork ready lol.
 
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Odd, last I heard most Apple customers actually have no idea what Steam even is. Idle threats, nothing more.
I’d never heard of it till my son installed it on his macbook.
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If you want an open system with different stores, iOS isn’t for you.
Which is why some longtime customers are looking at other platforms.
 
I think it is the other way around.
Apple doesn't need steam as they don't generate income more iPhone sales, even with the app.
But steam need apple as they need to get the app to as many people so they get used to it.
Lol! Steam doesn't need Apple. How many Apple computers can run every game in the steam store? Only a very few have the hardware to play the more recent AAA games, at subpar settings at that. There are only a small percentage of Mac users in the world, more or less "gamers" at that.
 
I think ESXi free is quite limiting if your CPU has more than 12 (rather 8) threads, plus newer versions drop support for older hardware.

Proxmox would be better, but not for the casual user.
 
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What exactly is the point of this app anyway? From what I'm reading, it lets you stream Steam games from a PC over the local WiFi network. What exactly is the benefit here? If you're already home, might as well play the games directly on the PC with less lag and smoother gameplay?

I'm annoyed that an app was approved and then denied afterwards; that's a bait and switch and Apple basically caused Valve to waste their time. However I'm trying to understand the actual point of this app.
i think you’re missing th point. I’m sorry if I am wrong, but for Steam Players getting rid of the need to stuck with the MacBook (on Bootcmap) to play Steam games is MASSIVE! And though the MacBook is technically portable, on Bootcamp with Steam it get so hot that it gets uncomfortable, also, the battery time is ludicrous while playing intensive games. Streaming to my iPad while I play in bed or in the living room at the TV (with Apple TV) was a game changer for me. (No pun intended.)
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I don't get why there are so many who got https for the steam link, without realizing many of their Macs are garbage for gaming. Even console gaming sounds better than having to lower resolution, textures, effects, etc to a minimum, while hoping for a stable frame rate.
Bootcmap. Period. My MacBook Pro 2013 is holding pretty well with lots of games (mainly JRPGs, over 100 hours long, with PS3 graphics, pretty well. Something like Trails or Cold Steel). Also, with external GPU support, any new MacBook with an i7 or i5 even can run great games on Bootcmap!
 
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The fact that Apple denied the app in the first place alone, shows that sticking to business is not considered pro-consumer, based on the outrage from literally everyone who isn't blinded by apples horrible tactics. If they cannot profit from every single aspect, they are not interested. Sure this will only seed to apples wealth if they continue down this path, but will this be in the interest of consumers? Not at all. Look at how many people have considered this "the last straw".

These are the exact same guidelines as they lay out for every other company. Apple should change them for one company? They’re a business and need to protect that. So Apple works with the company on making changes to adhere to the platform and consumers and Apple get what they want. Pretty simple. You mention how many people consider this “the last straw” and I’m assuming will be leaving the platform, is this just your opinion or do you have some data behind it?
 
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