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GREAT ... if Phil thinks it's the way to go THEN Phil should be tucking one of those into every 7 box for FREE ... rather than upselling Apple users ... see the difference.

No he shouldn't. For those that need it, simply purchase it. A lot of people have never charged their phone while listening to music - I'm just one. It would be incredibly wasteful including that with every phone.
 
Many (if not most) newer cars have USB adaptors that charge and send sound.

My car stereo's usb input worked great with my iPhone 4 but not my iPhone 6. Usb still charges, but audio doesn't work. Same goes for my 5 year old Denon stereo at home. So, Auxiliary cables. I'm not really into upgrading my stereos or using new belkin dongles every time some osx- or hardware-update in the line of phones makes interfacing digitally with my stereo impossible. It's happened to me 4 times now if you include the bedroom clock/stereo with the iphone 4 dock that is now useless without a dongle/adapter with my iphone 6 and the portable speaker with the old 30-pin mount.

The great thing about the 1/8" aux jack is that it's pretty darned universal, which you can't say about apple's proprietary and often OS dependent "solutions" to non-problems.
 
For those saying "just go wireless", "I'll never go back", "Bro you're still using wired headphones?" and referring to the age of the 3.5mm jack (Because Apple did, so sheep gotta sheep...) - many people were happy using those headphones up until the 7 was released.

There is absolutely no question that, if the 7 did retain the jack and there were no leaks, rumours or test parts without such, people would NOT be complaining about its inclusion or promoting Lightning/wireless headphones.

This is not a coincidence or accident.

There is nothing wrong with the 3.5mm jack technology, which is precisely the reason why it hasn't changed in all that time. Apple in their usual wisdom have indeed had the 'courage' to create a problem from nothing, with the intention of generating an aura of sophistication - that less is more, and that we should look up to these guys for their vision.

Wow. Hey wait, Sony produced more waterproofed Xperia phones with 3.5mm jacks time ago.

Since they're including a dongle with the phone I'm willing to give them some credit, but it is baffling to me that they would not place a Lightning port next to the jack. Not elegant or comfortable, but the functionality would be there. Come to think of it, it's actually masterstroke as Apple can now sell docks and dongles galore with ridiculous profit margins.

Speaking of which, Schiller's email is upselling at its worst/best. "Yes there is a solution - please hand over more money for a large piece of plastic with two ports on it.".

Apple says you don't need the 3.5mm jack, just buy their new wireless headphones.

Sony says you don't need a 4K UHD Blu-ray drive, just subscribe to a 4K Movie & TV service.

Welcome to 2016... :eek:

(Come on now - do what these companies say... or you're not "Hip")
 
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No, he recommended AirPods "While Listening to Music"

Only in the absence of a wireless solution did he recommend the Lightning Dock

(the underlying message, whether you agree with it or not, is that wireless is now the first-class citizen)
 
Just don't buy the phone folks. If it matters enough to the majority they can simply put their money where their mouth is. And by that I mean keep your current hardware or go to another platform. Ultimately the consumer has the power here. Not Apple.

No need to switch even. If you have a 6S it's a great device or even the SE, both offer superior audio out of the box, as they have a better DAC inside. 6S or SE will last a few years easy. Though if the 7 sales tank, it will be a clear message to apple that it's fans are not suckers to get the exact same design three years running, and we don't want a proprietary connector for audio. For the first time I'm not about to drop £1K on a phone cause it's a step backwards. Apples loss over greed.
 
I will buy a new computer but not for my earphones. Until I do buy a new computer, yes, I will have two different earphones since I already have wired earphones sitting right here on my desk. When I get the new computer I won't really have much use for the wired ones and from that point on I'll enjoy my audio wirelessly.

Unless you need to keep the old headphones for your computer at work. Or want good headphones for in-flight entertainment on planes, or if you have an iPad that you don't replace as frequently as your phone or computer.

In the meantime, you suddenly need to pack multiple sets of earphones and/or dongles when you travel. Oh, and don't forget an extra AC plug for your Airbud charger so you can charge it at the same time as your phone.
 
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I cannot think of the restrictiveness knowing that the iPhone is connected to the charger on a wall/port somewhere and having earphones on, it'd require one to just sit around relentlessly and not even move the head too much.
FWIW, I frequently go on long walks (often starting with a partially depleted battery), listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music, and often playing Ingress, a walking-around/augmented-reality game that eats battery. So, I'll have my (moderately high-end) earphones and an external battery plugged in at the same time. When I upgrade eventually to an iPhone 7 or next year's model, I'll deal. But there are definite use cases for listening and charging at the same time.
 
It is illegal to drive with headphones so please forget this, some people might die because of your stupidity

I know I'm not the only one but as soon as I plug my phone into my car it automatically pairs with the car. and that's with a USB lightning cable. no headphone jack needed.
 
GREAT ... if Phil thinks it's the way to go THEN Phil should be tucking one of those into every 7 box for FREE ... rather than upselling Apple users ... see the difference.

You may not have noticed it. But The general public has steadily been moving to wireless headphones/earbuds for a while now. Every headphone maker has multiple wireless options because they see where the market is going.

Every car sold or The last 8 years either has Bluetooth or a USB port for charging/music playback in even their lowest models.

Losing the 3.5 at this point in time is really not that big a deal.
 
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LOL. So what are the people with iPhone 7 and Lightning EarPods gonna do? Stupid Apple.
Well, they can buy some AirPods, silly! That way, they can charge their phone and listen at the same time that they drain the batteries in their AirPods! It's the perfect solution.
 
I wasn't a million miles away (allowing for my lack of artistic impression) this afternoon
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ps dont laugh!
 
"Apple executives have explained that the removal of the headphone jack took a lot of "courage," but was necessary to free up valuable space and improve technology in the iPhone 7 and future iPhones."

It didn't take that much courage when you price the air pods at $159.00

They shouldn't cost any more than $49.99 in fact they really should be free for the first year now that's a way in increase sales of iPhone 7.
 
I am very pissed off at Apple today. I use wired headphones for working out.

I specifically use these Sony sport headphones that fit over the ear and have shallow earbuds which I like. I don't like all these other deep earbuds that force you to shove them deep into your ear canal. This is a healthier option IMHO.
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Second, I don't want to get another Bluetooth headphones because it's yet ANOTHER thing to charge. I like that when I'm ready to go to the gym I just plug this in and I'm good to go.

Third, don't say that I can just buy the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter. I put my iPhone in a exercise belt and the adapter dongle would not allow me to close the zipper.

Fourth, let's say Sony updates these headphones with lightning connector. The Lightning connector is going to be prone to breakage compared to the durable 3.5mm one.

Point is there are a lot of good reasons that 3.5mm headphones are important to people and 'if it aint broke why fit it'? Apple should have gone with USB Type C connector which I feel is more durable before asking people to ditch the 3.5mm jack.

I have the iPhone 6S so I'm good for another 2 years. But if the iPhone 8(2018) will not have a solution to this, I will be thinking VERY hard about just not getting it.

Rant over.

Huh? Why would you need to get another pair of Bluetooth headphones?

Use the headphones you have. You don't need to BUY the adapter because it's included FREE with the phone. It's essentially a 2" cable. I suspect you'll have no trouble accommodating this in your belt:

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And tiny rants on MR will for sure result in change not happening. Even when there's a whole dozen or two making noise.

What will, is standing up and purchasing a competing phone. Though in a year or so that will be moot because others will have ditched the phone jack as well, following in Apple's steps.

The problem is, there is no reason for the competition to ditch the headphone jack, unlike apple and the MFI program, they will not make money. hence why there will never be a USB-C port on iPhone, it's about $$$$, always has been, apple always got a cut from accessories made for iPhone. Difference now, apple is forcing you to use the money spinner.
 
No need to switch even. If you have a 6S it's a great device or even the SE, both offer superior audio out of the box, as they have a better DAC inside. 6S or SE will last a few years easy. Though if the 7 sales tank, it will be a clear message to apple that it's fans are not suckers to get the exact same design three years running, and we don't want a proprietary connector for audio. For the first time I'm not about to drop £1K on a phone cause it's a step backwards. Apples loss over greed.
I was operating under the assumption that most folks complaining are already on a relatively modern device as it is. But you're right. At the end of the day my sim was to point out that your dollar is what tells Apple they're wrong. Not your online ranting.
 
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No need to switch even. If you have a 6S it's a great device or even the SE, both offer superior audio out of the box, as they have a better DAC inside. 6S or SE will last a few years easy. Though if the 7 sales tank, it will be a clear message to apple that it's fans are not suckers to get the exact same design three years running, and we don't want a proprietary connector for audio. For the first time I'm not about to drop £1K on a phone cause it's a step backwards. Apples loss over greed.

The DAC is better in the SE/6S? I haven't been able to find that info. Not that I don't believe you, just curious...
 
I've never tried to listen to music while my iPhone is charging, never thought that was so common up until now of course.

Honestly, I personally prefer to keep my iPhone out of hands and out of use while it's charging.
Thought that was the best way to keep the wires from breaking and prevent overheating.

Edit - I cannot think of the restrictiveness knowing that the iPhone is connected to the charger on a wall/port somewhere and having earphones on, it'd require one to just sit around relentlessly and not even move the head too much.

But everyone certainly does have their own preferences so perhaps the future iPhones aren't for those? I mean if it ain't working for you, its best to switch to another no? If not then the alternatives are adapters or embracing the wireless sets and not just the AirPods but others too.
The only time I use headphones with my iphone is when I am traveling...and that's the most likely time I will need to charge it while using it. Using the dock doesn't work in this situation.
 



Apple's new iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus ship without a headphone jack, requiring customers to use either Bluetooth or Lightning-equipped headphones. Many customers who routinely charge their iPhones while also listening to music have been questioning whether that usage scenario will possible sans headphone jack, and as it turns out, Apple has a solution.

In an email to a customer, Apple SVP of marketing Phil Schiller says that while he prefers to use the wireless AirPods to listen to music, customers who want to listen to wired headphones while charging an iPhone 7 can use the Apple Lightning Dock, which has a built-in headphone jack.

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Priced at $49 and available in colors to match each of the iPhones, the Lightning dock has both a USB input and a 3.5mm headphone jack built in, making it perfect for customers who want to charge and listen to music at the same time. Unfortunately, it's an expensive solution compared to former method of using 3.5mm EarPods and a Lightning cable, which came free with the iPhone. Belkin also just announced a $40 Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar adapter designed to let users listen to Lightning headphones while charging, but it's both bulky and pricy.

To ease the transition away from the 3.5mm headphone jack, Apple is providing customers with both a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter and a set of EarPods with a Lightning connector. Of course, when using these accessories, charging is not possible at the same time.

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Apple's ultimate goal seems to be to transition customers to wireless headphones like its recently announced AirPods. While on stage at yesterday's event, Schiller explained that one of the reasons why Apple moved away from the headphone jack was to push wireless technology forward. The AirPods, which have been in development since the Apple Watch was conceived, feature a proprietary wireless W1 chip and up to 24 hours of battery life implemented through a charging case.

AirPods, priced at $159 and similar in design to EarPods, are entirely wireless with no cord connecting the two earpieces and feature technology like gesture recognition, voice isolation, and more. AirPods have been receiving largely favorable reviews, but $159 is a lot to pay for the ideal iPhone 7 music experience.

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Apple executives have explained that the removal of the headphone jack took a lot of "courage," but was necessary to free up valuable space and improve technology in the iPhone 7 and future iPhones.

(Thanks, Zaheen!)

Article Link: Apple's Phil Schiller Recommends Lightning Dock for Charging an iPhone 7 While Listening to Music
I find it mind blowing nobody at Apple has ever walked into the coach section or boarding area and notice most people with their phones plugged in charging on USB outlets and their headphones plugged in listening to music or the sound track on their movie. This will become more important as airlines shift away from the problematic back of seat screens and just stream entertainment to peoples devices on wifi. iP7 should ship with dual lightning and headphone connector if they wanted to go this way.
 
Huh? Why would you need to get another pair of Bluetooth headphones?

Use the headphones you have. You don't need to BUY the adapter because it's included FREE with the phone. It's essentially a 2" cable. I suspect you'll have no trouble accommodating this in your belt:

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Actually yes the headphone jack just barely fits in to my belt pouch as it is. Having this extra 2" of crap means that I probably can't even close the pouch fully anymore. It's just a bad solution to a problem nobody had!
 
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