Apple's Phil Schiller Recommends Lightning Dock for Charging an iPhone 7 While Listening to Music

[RezSeeker]

This is brilliant! Two small, easily lost wireless headphones with less than cd-quality (yes I can hear the difference, but maybe not with these if they suck)... or option 2 my current wired headphones and a dock to charge plus a 3.5mm adapter. But the iphone's a mm thinner! Yeah!... and I can throw it in the water - I think I will do exactly that.
No wonder Tim sold a load of stock in the last two months: he's lost control of the ship. Steve Jobs could handle both form and function.

 

[BoulderAdonis]

Well, suggesting people pay $50 to get back what they had before is pretty much asking for that.

I'm sorry .... *WHO* had an iPhone 7 with a headphone jack? I'm pretty sure *nobody*. If they had a 6, or a 6s with a headphone jack yesterday ... they still do today. Nobody has to "get back" anything.

You're complaining about the few people that shell out $750-$1000, that also want to "listen while it's charging".

I had somebody ask me that, "Does that mean you can't listen to your music while you charge?"

I asked them, "Do you do that?" Response: crickets. I. thought. so.

If you *want* to spend $750 - $1000 to buy an iPhone 7, and you feel you *need* to listen while it's charging. You have options. Stop crying - or keep your iPhone 6/6s.

 

[AppleBytes]

Mine have lasted for years

How's your battery life after all those years? Or are there user-replaceable batteries?

 

[tampageek]

So let me get this straight - we now have to carry around an adaptor AND a dock with us, just in case we might want to charge and listen to our iPhone at the same time. What about in car use?

You mean you want to listen to music in the car? gasp! That's a thing of the past. Don't worry, I'm sure the Apple Car will offer a workaround. It'll probably also have room for your Apple Luggage - which you'll need to carry all your dongles and adapters.

 

[mattster16]

There will be dozens of various adapters that will allow all scenarios of use within a month or so. Want to charge your phone listen to lightning headphones? Already an adapter for that from Belkin. Want to charge and listen to 3.5 mm headphones? No problem. Want to charge and listen with headphones and connect another accessory? No problem. If you honestly can't afford an adapter to ease this transition or wireless headphones why are you paying $600+ for a new iPhone 7? That's what I really don't understand....

 

[Cineplex]

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[citysnaps]

That's actually fine, I don't mind it as a solution.

My issue the 6S has a quality DAC built in, what quality do you think is inside a $9 adapter, given apples profit margin.

I'm going to get one to test with the 6S, but my assumption it's cheap and crap, and using quality headphones, the 6S using the same media, sounds superior, and that is the problem. The 6S out of the box, has superior audio.

Great DACs in die or chip form are not expensive. Great DACs are expensive when "audiophile" vendors package them up with vacuum tube output amplifiers in a nice box and then sell the product at a HUGE premium. Same semiconductor chip DAC inside...

As a hardware engineer, I am curious whose DAC they're using. Or if it is a custom design including the Lightning interface on the die, from Johny Srouji's lab. That would make the most sense. In either case, it will be a tiny die (relative to other chips) and probably cost about a buck.

 

[MH01]

Well, they did create a new adapter for headphones so they could have made one with double lightning ports to support charging and headphones together.

And miss out selling you a $50 adapter........

no...they gave us the absolute minimum , and would like us to purchase a $50 adapter, for home, work etc so they get further cuts from the sale.

Tim has no idea about user experience, he only cares about $$$$$$ so will sign up to anything hat brings in additional profits. The trend seems to be adapters. Looks like the new Macbook pros will follow... they already did it with the macbook, now iPhone.....ipad will be next.

 

[maxsix]

Apple has basically orchestrated the best free advertising campaign to let the world know a new iPhone has just dropped. Controversy sells.

Precisely

Apple is years behind on wireless charging.

How hypocritical to say they're all about wireless. It's a ruse...

 

[AppleBytes]

I can hardly wait to see the latest Tech21 dongle- and airbud charger-cases!

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Flac are exactly like CD's given they are properly ripped (exact audio copy for example). Flac can also be superior to CD thanks to higher maximum sample rate which on the CD is at 44.1 kHz.

Any file that uses a compression algorithm to reduce the file size cannot possibly be higher quality. Flac files are close to the quality of the original CD, but if you have a high end CD player and good quality audio chain you will be aware of the difference. Flac files high sample rates are for single bit processing. CD is 44.1 kHz at 16 bit processing.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Well, suggesting people pay $50 to get back what they had before is pretty much asking for that.

yeah except youre pretending you arent gettting *other things* in lieu of that -- 2 hours more battery, a better camera, and water resistance. since i never need to charge & listen via 3.5mm id much rather have those things, when you can use a dock or a BT clip for your outlier use case. clearly, im not alone and reside in the majority use case. you should definitely have to pay for your adapter.

 

[milliepuppy]

iPhones have traditionally had good DACs, yes I admit I am assuming, and that is based on the adapter costing $9, that is not a good DAC.

I will be buying one though to test on the 6S side by side, using some good headphones .

You sure the adapter contains a DAC ? ... my assumption would be the lightning port provides an analogue signal once the adapters plugged in ... i'll have to look at the tear down of a 6/6s to see the specs of the amplifier used there.

*** guess i'm wrong, digital only ***

Any DAC costing more than $1 is a good DAC !!!

 

[mdelvecchio]

So let me get this straight - we now have to carry around an adaptor AND a dock with us, just in case we might want to charge and listen to our iPhone at the same time. What about in car use?

get a goddamned modern stereo w/ USB or BT. if you cant afford a stereo, get a simple plug-in BT solution. this aint rocket science.

 

[psingh01]

lol...glad I have a 6s+ and will for a while. i use the phone for work and i'm on it a lot. usually have it charging while on a conference call and use the headset for that.

 

[PracticalMac]

The Apple Lightning Dock includes a headphone jack for using wired headphones or speakers while charging.

(what more is there to say, MR? this picture better expresses my thoughts than a 1000 words)

 

[bluespark]

Lucky me I can't imagine an scenario where I would need to charge the phone and listen to music with headphones at the same time.

You must not take very many international flights.

 

[pcmacgamer]

Pretty sure being vocal online about it won't change anything either. The way to get change in this situation is to vote with the only thing Apple cares about. Money. So, you know. Buy a different phone. Don't buy the iPhone 7. When asked why, say it's because there wasn't a headphone jack. Then move on with your life. That's the only voice Apple is going to hear.

So you think I'm not gonna vote with my wallet? Of course I am. It's ridiculous to think I'm only going to complain on here. Having discussion and talking about the flaws of a product is what a forum is for incase you've forgotten. Negatives are supposed to be discussed. If you dont like people raising issues about a device just ignore it and move along.

And tiny rants on MR will for sure result in change not happening. Even when there's a whole dozen or two making noise.What will, is standing up and purchasing a competing phone. Though in a year or so that will be moot because others will have ditched the phone jack as well, following in Apple's steps.

Right because on this website we can only discuss positives about any Apple product or else... You Apple apogists will say we are whiny and that we shouldn't complain. Don't like people discussing serious flaws and arrogance from Apple then ignore it.

You are so out of touch if you honestly think other companies will follow suit and follow Apple on this. 3.5mm is a standard here to stay as nothing comes close in terms of what it does. Beauty of Android phone is they have so many options so Android manufacturers will hurt like crazy if they even attempt doing this. Remember when Samsung removed the Micro SD slot? Didn't go over well at all for them. Soon after it returned because of lost sales in prior generation. Sure companies will push wireless but they won't remove a key feature to pimp another.

People can moan all they want. The problem is they don't speak with their wallets. The iPhone 7 will sell in the many millions - confirmation to Apple that consumers are happy.

Right because all these people who aren't happy about the removal are going to buy the phone. You don't make sense to me. iPhone sales will either plateau due to market saturation at this point or decrease due to lack of reason to upgrade coupled with jack removal.

 

[MH01]

Great DACs in die or chip form are not expensive. Great DACs are expensive when "audiophile" vendors package them up with vacuum tube output amplifiers in a nice box and then sell the product at a HUGE premium. Same DAC inside...

Its like saying all intel CPUs are not expansive. You pay for what you get, and Audiophiles don't pay top dollar for average DACs in a premium package. As in anything, the more you pay the better it is, DACs included. Ive got a number of DABs, and you can clearly tell the difference between each DAC, and you pay for the R&D costs of that DAC, not how much it costs to produce it.

Top end of audiophile is now moving to FPGA anyway.

 

[JohnSpartan]

I bought my first Bluetooth headphones two months ago. Haven't looked back. Cables feel all wrong now.

I like good audio, and I can't hear any difference in quality.

I can definitely hear the difference. I enjoy the convenience of no cables while exercising, but beyond that, cabled is more convenient and delivers much better sound quality. Bonus with two ports (3.5mm and lightening), you can listen and charge at the same time.

"To send sound, Bluetooth uses the "A2DP" profile, which has one major flaw: it's a 'lossy' format. It's the same principles as used by, say, JPEG photos or MP3 tracks where algorithms strip out or simplify some data, to create smaller file sizes.

And things get worse for the wireless standard on Apple's devices: current iPhone Bluetooth implementation supports a number of codecs, but curiously not the highly regarded aptX codec. This means the best the iPhone can manage is the proprietary 256kbps AAC codec, which can't handle current high-end formats."
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...t-beats-bluetooth-for-sound-quality-1327836/2

 

[pran76]

Does no one use the gps while on the phone at the same time? You have to be charging the phone while using the gps, as the drain on the battery is crazy.

 

[AppleBytes]

Any file that uses a compression algorithm to reduce the file size cannot possibly be higher quality. Flac files are close to the quality of the original CD, but if you have a high end CD player and good quality audio chain you will be aware of the difference. Flac files high sample rates are for single bit processing. CD is 44.1 kHz at 16 bit processing.

FLAC can be purchased nowadays that are 24-bit and 96 or 192 khz. That's better than CD quality.

 

[alantasdf]

At the end of the day, most of you complaining will still buy the iPhone 7

 

[RemE]

Huh? Why would you need to get another pair of Bluetooth headphones?

Use the headphones you have. You don't need to BUY the adapter because it's included FREE with the phone. It's essentially a 2" cable. I suspect you'll have no trouble accommodating this in your belt:

Roll forward 6 months, use your front facing camera to record your expression when this crappy, dingy white dongle breaks. What a joke.
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At the end of the day, most of you complaining will still buy the iPhone 7

Not this time, honest!

 

[citysnaps]

You sure the adapter contains a DAC ? ... my assumption would be the lightning port provides an analogue signal once the adapters plugged in ... i'll have to look at the tear down of a 6/6s to see the specs of the amplifier used there.

The Lightning connector does not have analog outputs/inputs.